the sweetest converters i've ever heard... and the tracks to prove it

[George Necola]

UBK.. are you crazy or something?

[TonyBelmont]

Originally Posted by u b k

but apparently it's quite alright that GS be a forum where personal attacks and caustic invective are commonplace and acceptable, presumably because the recipient deserves them. i see it all the time, and i've certainly been on the receiving end of a good deal on this thread.

caustic invective? Now that's a new one for the mental thesaurus...

[3rd world order]

Originally Posted by u b k

but apparently it's quite alright that GS be a forum where personal attacks and caustic invective are commonplace and acceptable, presumably because the recipient deserves them. i see it all the time, and i've certainly been on the receiving end of a good deal on this thread.

3,851 posts. 2 in depth reviews where i was compensated for my time. 4 in depth reviews where i was not. 3,845 posts where i listen to people's mixes and give feedback, where i lament the overuse of compression in modern music, where i recommend gear 99.9% of which is not distributed by wave distribution, where i run around with a video camera and tape whatever people want me to tape, where i make bizarre and humorous attempts to help people view their situations from a radically different and hopefully beneficial perspective, and where above all i strive to keep my tone respectful, courteous, and generally positive no matter who i'm speaking to or what the subject.

clearly, the likes of me will be the downfall of this site.

meds wore off...

[RoundBadge]

Originally Posted by u b k

i prefer to think of it as a factitious reviewvertisement, of which infotainment is merely one component.

i never saw any deleted threads, sounds like i missed the best part of this whole affair. although the burl vertor is definitely up there with the best of it.


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Greg ..just a silly response to Pinwhale's comments.
no dig intended on the product.Seriously look forward to trying some myself

[gm5k]

Originally Posted by u b k

but apparently it's quite alright that GS be a forum where personal attacks and caustic invective are commonplace and acceptable, presumably because the recipient deserves them. i see it all the time, and i've certainly been on the receiving end of a good deal on this thread.

3,851 posts. 2 in depth reviews where i was compensated for my time. 4 in depth reviews where i was not. 3,845 posts where i listen to people's mixes and give feedback, where i lament the overuse of compression in modern music, where i recommend gear 99.9% of which is not distributed by wave distribution, where i run around with a video camera and tape whatever people want me to tape, where i make bizarre and humorous attempts to help people view their situations from a radically different and hopefully beneficial perspective, and where above all i strive to keep my tone respectful, courteous, and generally positive no matter who i'm speaking to or what the subject.

clearly, the likes of me will be the downfall of this site.


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it is hard to argue with you here, Greg. although I don't necessarily agree with what happened in this thread, overall you still are (to me at least) the kind of member that makes gearslutz great. I remember i once liked what you said in a post on a thread here, PM'd you asking you to elaborate on the thought a bit for me because it intrigued me.

you responded with what some would consider an essay. a detailed and in depth response about mixing to a guy you didn't even know...and it was through PM, so not public information. I surely can't say I have gotten that kind of response from many others on this site

and i gotta agree here with Tony Belmont...caustic invective? NICE

[heyman]

UBK, your not going anywhere.. So dont even think about it.

People with common sense understood that this type of test takes time. Time is money. You gave a review and your opinion.

Some here wont agree, but you sparked an interest in me and others.

Manufacturer's/distributors have buy/try policies... If the unit doesnt do it for you, then return it.

Again, thanks for your review..

Jim

[GilWave]

Originally Posted by heyman

Manufacturer's/distributors have buy/try policies... If the unit doesnt do it for you, then return it.

Yup - 30 Day Money Back Guarantee, as with Empirical Labs products.

Also, Burl Audio products come with a 10 Year Manufacturer's Limited Warranty


(...and Jim, I'm in Jersey by way of North Providence. Still got my Bess Eaton coffee cup and a quart of Autocrat Coffee Syrup - "A Swallow Will Tell You")

[chrisj]

How much does that stuff caust anyway?

Ubik, take it easy. You should have heard the abuse I got for _creating_ some guitar amp sim products that were just what I liked but didn't suit the POD crowd!

It's good to be able to hear what's said, and listen extra hard to the ones who own the place like Jules- sounds like you could be working harder to make it a "YO! I am PIMPING this stuff because I work for these guys and I like the stuff a lot, so they didn't have to pay me lots for me to make a bunch of demo clips, listen to THIS!" and clearly flag that you're doing work for them. If you were actually really, really good they'd be needing to pay for your time for you to do it, so you being paid isn't automatically a problem.

People who are just offended that you can turn a pretty phrase to describe what you think you hear, probably hate 'Stereophile' too seriously, if you NEVER get invective you're living too boring a life.

I try to lead my life so the invective is about people hating the sound of my PRODUCTS and not the way I act- and that's because I insist on the products being that distinct that some people will actually love them and others will honestly hate them- but I would never try to avoid caustic invective. Shows you're making an impact, now you choose what sort of impact it's going to be

[heyman]

Hey Gil, I will be in your neck of the woods for the holiday..

Hohokus, NJ here I come..

Got a brother that lives down there.

Happy Turkey Day..

[bafonso]

Which were really used? It's important to be stated in this thread or suddenly it only matters that they were apogee?

[u b k]

Originally Posted by chrisj

seriously, if you NEVER get invective you're living too boring a life.

LOL! thanks for the reminder chris. i do actually know that, i just felt the need to drop my own perspective in on the whole affair, because apparently i wasn't allowed to join in on the 'infotainment' banter without having a moderator wag his finger at me and someone else predicting (yet again) the inevitable doom of GS thanks to threads like this.

fwiw, my meds wore off *years* ago... thumbsup


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[GilWave]

Originally Posted by bafonso

Which were really used? It's important to be stated in this thread or suddenly it only matters that they were apogee?

UBK edited his earlier post to clarify back on Page One - it was the Rosetta 800, clocked through the Burl B2 Bomber.

Originally Posted by heyman

Hey Gil, I will be in your neck of the woods for the holiday.. Hohokus, NJ here I come.. Got a brother that lives down there.

Sweet!! I wish I had a brother with that kind of dough. Heck, I wish *I* had that kind of dough!! Hohokus is beautiful, but way too rich for my "workin' Joe" ass.

I am sooooo mad at my parents for not being rich! This working for a living is cramping my style - I'd rather be playing my '73 Precision and kicking back with the boys, enjoying some Dogfish Head IPA 90s and playing Allman Bros tunes with a drummer who can stay in the pocket...

(Purple Kush optional...)

[heyman]

73 Precision? Want to sell it..? Btw, my brother married into it.. You should see their taxes...

[Larrysings]

[QUOTE=u b k;1641749]but apparently it's quite alright that GS be a forum where personal attacks and caustic invective are commonplace and acceptable, presumably because the recipient deserves them. i see it all the time, and i've certainly been on the receiving end of a good deal on this thread.

Just the fact that this man used the word "invective", makes me want to listen to his opinions even further. I for one look for intelligent succinct reviews on products. If they make sense in the context of my world, I give it a try.

I also think the fact that ubk was "commissioned" without commission, to reflect his views on a product has only benefited the populace here. He is a prolific poster and a generous contributor to this board.

Thanks again man.

[lumpo]

I, for one, am grateful for this thread as I was quite taken by the difference (having grown up in the tape/console era).

Even though my listening platform was not optimal (Apogee duet with Sennh. 'phones), the difference was not subtle. Whether one considers it some form of advertising is a somewhat specious argument, as, ultimately new information was presented in a manner that allows us to fashion our own impressions.

MAny of the posts were interesting from the psychological perspective (the authors reveal much) but really contributed little of audio professional interest. The moan zone exists for a purpose.

[GilWave]

Originally Posted by heyman

73 Precision? Want to sell it..?

Not on your LIFE!! I cleaned toilets at the Ramada Inn in Montvale all Summer that year, to save up for that bass. I dreamed about it for months, dog-eared the Fender catalog thinking about it...

I bought it brand-new, there is NOTHING like the smell of the orange Fender crushed-velvet interior of a new P-Bass case. Gorgeous Sunburst finish, a new set of strings, a can of Finger Ease and a cool Fender strap. I was in heaven.

That is, until 1979, when I had to sell a bunch of stuff to pay some billls and "get a job" in the "real world". I sold that Precision to my cousin's boyfriend for $300

Fortunately, he married my cousin in 1981 and I started bugging him at family functions from about 1985 on to sell it back to me. He wanted $1500, I offered him $500, he refused, I fumed - this went on for years.

Finally, to ease family relations my cousin stepped in and suggested a trade - her husband really wanted a Stu Hamm Urge II bass, perhaps I could get one wholesale?

Trouble is, even at wholesale it was over $1000. Then I realized "Hey, wait a minute - he didn't say it had to be a NEW Urge II!" so I hit eBay every day for a few weeks and low and behold, I found one. I started bidding, then won it - for $455!!

SO - I got my bass back, and saved $45 to boot! I still have the original 1973 Bill of Sale (from Alto Music in Monsey NY - R.I.P Sid White) and I just had it tweaked and set up by MacPherson Guitarworks of Ringwood NJ. Needless to say, it is not for sale, not even to your rich brother.

Btw, my brother married into it.. You should see their taxes...

Hmmm.... lucky bastard! Let me know when he gets divorced - Hohokus is only 15 minutes from here, and I'm single now.

Taxes don't scare me if she's got the money - I pay $10,000 as it is for my place already. They've got a 1 in 2 chance of splitting up, statistically... I can wait!

-gil


(Happy Thanksgiving, regardless!! PM me if you want to meet up at The Mason Jar or Hooters for a drink on Friday)

[kwaehner]

Here's a practical application question I haven't seen addressed recently.

Let's suppose one picks up a Burl. (tracks sound very nice!)

What's the latest thinking on how to connect a standalone converter like the Bomber to ProTools HD? Are we still stuck using a Digi Digital I/O, or are there other simple interface boxes now that allow one to make that connection?

I didn't see in the session notes how this was injected into the DAW (or which DAW), but I readily admit I may have missed it.

Thanks!

[bafonso]

Originally Posted by GilWave

UBK edited his earlier post to clarify back on Page One - it was the Rosetta 800, clocked through the Burl B2 Bomber.

Thanks for the clarification Gil.

[beats workin']

Everyone- please *READ* the thread before you start making accusations and spreading mis-information.
I've posted twice in ths thread. Once to detail the signal chains, and second, (on the second day of the thread- 11/14) to clarify that the Apogees were in fact Rosettas.

David

[Halfmoon]

Sorry for joining in and off topic

Gil,

15-20 yrs ago HoHokus was cheaper (bro lived there but got more money and joined the upper crust in Saddle River) Thats why I work for him and he not for me.

Believe it or not he pays just alittle more in property tax then me (I live in a 3 bedroom ranch in Ringwood). Go figure.

The Burl has jumped onto my list for try outs now.

Thanks guys for your effort.

Rich

[GilWave]

Originally Posted by Halfmoon

15-20 yrs ago HoHokus was cheaper (bro lived there but got more money and joined the upper crust in Saddle River)

Not much cheaper! Hohokus has been pricey sincce the late '70s.

Believe it or not he pays just alittle more in property tax then me (I live in a 3 bedroom ranch in Ringwood). Go figure.

That's because Saddle River has no school system.

The Burl has jumped onto my list for try outs now. Thanks guys for your effort.

No problem - be glad to send you one when it's back in town.

-gil

[heyman]

Gil, thanks for the invite.. As well, let me know if you are in Providence.. You can stop by and I will buy you a Pizza at Caserta's..

Just leave your trunk open with some goodies from Burl and E.L and will call it even..

[seaneldon]

Originally Posted by GilWave

enjoying some Dogfish Head IPA 90s

"Some" IPA90s really means "not enough" IPA90s.

Come on, Gil! I figured if ANYONE knew that it would be you!

[kwaehner]

Re-read the thread and I still want to know, maybe Gil will speak to this:
Let's assume you're building a new rig from scratch and you want to go with Burl for AD.

How would you IDEALLY connect the Burl to ProTools HD?

It seems you'd still need one more box in between, and I thought that connection might be useful to discuss.

I'm clear on how Apogee, Prism and Mytek make the connection to ProTools (proprietary cards), and if I recall, the Digi Digital I/O does a reclocking thing that you'd want to address.

So let's assume you're building out a new room. What are the options to make that last connection, Burl to ProTools HD?

[Tom VDH]

Thanks UBK for this thread!

I wish all new product presentations could be as informative as this one...

The tracks sound great, conversion seems to be solid, I dig it.

Then I guess the next step would be to try it in my context...

[Fleaman]

Originally Posted by kwaehner

Re-read the thread and I still want to know, maybe Gil will speak to this:
Let's assume you're building a new rig from scratch and you want to go with Burl for AD.

How would you IDEALLY connect the Burl to ProTools HD?

It seems you'd still need one more box in between, and I thought that connection might be useful to discuss.

I'm clear on how Apogee, Prism and Mytek make the connection to ProTools (proprietary cards), and if I recall, the Digi Digital I/O does a reclocking thing that you'd want to address.

So let's assume you're building out a new room. What are the options to make that last connection, Burl to ProTools HD?

AES?

[JSt0rm]

first of all let me disclose that Ive never worked with UBK or Gill and infact have never spoken to them on any occasion whatsoever and probably never will. I work in audio post production and we would never use this converter (we are stuck with protools hd systems and thats all that exists in our world)

now...

I grew up in america so maybe I am desensitized but when I see a post like this I naturally assume that there is some kind of compensation. I honestly don't need disclosure in this situation. Both parties are mentioned by name in the post and nobody seemed to be hiding anything. on the other hand, who are all of the people who came in and totally started bashing everything? no idea about them. So why should I believe them? furthermore I don't see apogee setting something up like this. Lynx? who? Maybe its been done in the past but I'm not aware of it.


It seems to me like they WANTED to fully disclose what the product sounds like. WTF is wrong with that? How many manufacturers have given you seperate full bandwidth tracks to play with on your own? God. if you think money is evil and nobody should make any fine but I bet you are wearing clothing made in sweat shops and drive a ****ing car that sucks our planet dry. What kind of plastics are in that computer you use? Really who cares if a boutique converter maker posts sounds in the new product forum. I haven't even listened to the things but most of you have too much time on your hands or have other motives...fuuck

If I win the lottery I would probably pick a pair up to run with my 002 at home

[SFTPH]

Originally Posted by Plush

In my type of work, I do not require, nor do I want, the converter to change the sound in any way.

We chose dCS for this reason.

Burl may be highly valuable for others who require its "sound."
However, why should a designer decide what sound the customer requires?

That is a lame statement. Do you buy music that you don't like the sound of? Of course not. Are you the only customer? Of coarse not.

[Kris]

Originally Posted by GilWave

Taxes don't scare me if she's got the money - I pay $10,000 as it is for my place already. -gil

Now that's outrageous!

[GilWave]

Originally Posted by Kris

Now that's outrageous!

Yep - and what sucks about it is that I have 2 kids out of the school system already, so I'm paying school taxes on them even though they're out of school, *plus* tuition for College.

I feel bad for those folks who hav no kids, and are paying the school taxes anyway.

My parents were living in Grandview-on-Hudson, NY, and finally left when their taxes hit $15,000.

Now my Dad lives in North Carolina and pays $880 a year instead. The Northeast is crazy-expensive.

-g