Symphony External Hardware I/O vs. Protools HD External Hardware I/O Performance

barryjohns · 8th November 2007

I've tried to ask this several different ways, but can't ever seem to get an answer.

When using Logic Pro/Apogee Symphony system and you are incorporating outboard hardware compressors/EQ's and the like via an Insert, is there any difference in the performance than there is with Protools HD.

With Protools HD, I can insert a hardware compressor with no latency and can track through it.

As I understand, you can only insert external hardware with Logic when mixing and not tracking with Logic's ADC. I can live with that as long as there are no other issues. Are there?

Is doing this with a Logic/Symphony Rig as good, if not better than a Protools HD Rig?

Matthew Murray · 8th November 2007

Hey, I can't speak for Protools as I'm no expert there, but I can tell you there are major issues with using outboard hardware in Logic, even when using symphony. Symphony may have very low latency, but there's always still latency involved when doing conversion out and then back in. And logic's latency compensation, when it comes to outboard inserts, is obnoxious.

You can get a plugin called "latency fixer" that allows you to adjust the latency on tracks with outboard patched in. That's the method I use right now, and while it kind of kills your workflow, it... sort of works.

Forgive me if I misunderstood your question. And if you need more, there are plenty of threads here surrounding logic's mishandling of outboard when mixing. Especially one specifically complaining that Logic 8 didn't resolve the problem .. it's in the Logic 8 special forum.

Good luck.

PlatinumCity · 26th June 2008

I am interested in knowing this question also. On a syphony system, can you hook up an external box and track through it with no latency like in PT?

8th November 2007	#1
barryjohns Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 3,038 Thread Starter	Symphony External Hardware I/O vs. Protools HD External Hardware I/O Performance I've tried to ask this several different ways, but can't ever seem to get an answer. When using Logic Pro/Apogee Symphony system and you are incorporating outboard hardware compressors/EQ's and the like via an Insert, is there any difference in the performance than there is with Protools HD. With Protools HD, I can insert a hardware compressor with no latency and can track through it. As I understand, you can only insert external hardware with Logic when mixing and not tracking with Logic's ADC. I can live with that as long as there are no other issues. Are there? Is doing this with a Logic/Symphony Rig as good, if not better than a Protools HD Rig? __________________ PT9, HD2pcie, Digi 192 I/I, Lynx Auora, Digi 003, MacPro, MacBook, iPad

8th November 2007	#2
Matthew Murray Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,662	Hey, I can't speak for Protools as I'm no expert there, but I can tell you there are major issues with using outboard hardware in Logic, even when using symphony. Symphony may have very low latency, but there's always still latency involved when doing conversion out and then back in. And logic's latency compensation, when it comes to outboard inserts, is obnoxious. You can get a plugin called "latency fixer" that allows you to adjust the latency on tracks with outboard patched in. That's the method I use right now, and while it kind of kills your workflow, it... sort of works. Forgive me if I misunderstood your question. And if you need more, there are plenty of threads here surrounding logic's mishandling of outboard when mixing. Especially one specifically complaining that Logic 8 didn't resolve the problem .. it's in the Logic 8 special forum. Good luck. __________________ -Matthew

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PlatinumCity Gear Head Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 42	I am interested in knowing this question also. On a syphony system, can you hook up an external box and track through it with no latency like in PT?