What divides good mics from bad mics? - Page 3

Hob · 22nd October 2007, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin Curtin

By this logic, I guess I better stay away from Neve and API, cause I want my recordings to be WARM.

The old ones have tubes if they are really old.

Kevin Curtin · 22nd October 2007, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Hob

The old ones have tubes if they are really old.

Sure. Apparently Rupert only made 10 tube consoles, ever. But the consoles(with 10xx series modules) that we all know and love are tube-less. And as far as I know API never made a tube console.

It's all good man. Just razzin you. I used to think that equipment with tubes in it was better and warmer than solid state gear too, but I have learned that this is not the case. In fact, the best and most popular recording gear does not have tubes.

Now guitar amplifiers, that's another story.

Hob · 22nd October 2007, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin Curtin

Sure. Apparently Rupert only made 10 tube consoles, ever. But the consoles(with 10xx series modules) that we all know and love are tube-less. And as far as I know API never made a tube console.

It's all good man. Just razzin you. I used to think that equipment with tubes in it was better and warmer than solid state gear too, but I have learned that this is not the case. In fact, the best and most popular recording gear does not have tubes.

Now guitar amplifiers, that's another story.

People are probably laughing at you right now. How are you going to get a warm sound without running through tubes? Explain that one to me or do you want to sound like a computer?

Kevin Curtin · 22nd October 2007, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Hob

People are probably laughing at you right now. How are you going to get a warm sound without running through tubes? Explain that one to me or do you want to sound like a computer?

By running through a Neve 1073. Well in my case a clone of one.

I shall not be discussing anything audio with you anymore. It is like arguing with an unarmed man.

Good luck.

Hob · 22nd October 2007, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin Curtin

By running through a Neve 1073. Well in my case a clone of one.

I shall not be discussing anything audio with you anymore. It is like arguing with an unarmed man.

Good luck.

Whats funny is that you actually made my point for me but you don't even know it.

Kevin Curtin · 22nd October 2007, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Hob

Whats funny is that you actually made my point for me but you don't even know it.

How so?

Hob · 22nd October 2007, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin Curtin

How so?

The fact that you don't even know what your peice of gear is called shows that you don't even know what you are talking about.

Don't be such a loser.

Kevin Curtin · 22nd October 2007, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Hob

The fact that you don't even know what your peice of gear is called shows that you don't even know what you are talking about.

Don't be such a loser.

It is a Vintech X73i. A Neve 1073 clone. No tubes and very big and warm sounding.

God help you brother.

Hob · 22nd October 2007, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin Curtin

It is a Vintech X73i. A Neve 1073 clone. No tubes and very big and warm sounding.

God help you brother.

Why didn't you just buy a Neve instead?

gibsonlp75 · 22nd October 2007, 09:01 AM

I am officially dumber after reading this thread...

Hob, save some face bro...

Hob · 22nd October 2007, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by gibsonlp75

I am officially dumber after reading this thread...

Hob, save some face bro...

I think it's a good question. Why not buy a Neve if you want a Neve?

gibsonlp75 · 22nd October 2007, 09:07 AM

haha, i really wasnt referring specifically to your last post, but this whole thread.

well gentleman, its officially 3:06 am central time... g'night

TheArchitect · 22nd October 2007, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Hob

Everyone disagreed with Thomas Edison about gravity but look who ended up being right. You really shouldn't judge people you know. You never know who the next star might be.

Edison was dealing with unknowns. This stuff is all well documented. Its not judgement. Its fact. You have little to no idea what you are talking about.

May I suggest Google

The Listener · 22nd October 2007, 01:46 PM

Isn't it interesting what all people would want to do on the internet?

Play w(h)ores for others, man presenting themselves as women, old man as young boys, people offering themselves to become punchbags for others... I guess masochism has no limits...

That being said - I think this community is mature enough that can survive little provocateurs like this Blender/Hob whatever persona who is quite amuzing... I could imagine a comic book based upon him... A young, pretentious, self-indulged rockstar wannabe with huge holes of knowledge and any understanding of audio with some knowledge of what is hip & expensive and a very good sense of being ultimately insulting... I think he is just bored and likes to play this preposterous alter-ego...

I am deranged enough to actually like him! Let all the God's creatures live and prosper under this sun... ;)

Until he stays in his cage (his own threads) it is fine - once he escapes and starts polluting other threads that actually seek some information, serious exchange of opinions, etc. he becomes a virus and it is ok to ban him...

But until then - let him be.

Empty Planet · 22nd October 2007, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Listener

....[If] he stays in his cage (his own threads) it is fine - once he escapes and starts polluting other threads that actually seek some information, serious exchange of opinions, etc. he becomes a virus and it is ok to ban him.....

This is precisely what he has done here. This is a highly interesting thread concept, and the idea of hearing opinions on this topic from so many diverse mixers and engineers was appealing.

Instead, though some have attempted to address the topic intelligently, it's been derailed with idiocy.

Polluting other's threads is exactly what he has done here.

Amusing at first, this character has really, actually become a disruptive nuisance.

PRobb · 22nd October 2007, 02:46 PM

Guys- I suspect your chains are being yanked. HOB has to be goofing. Nobody could actually be that dumb.

Empty Planet · 22nd October 2007, 02:57 PM

Yeah, with respect, we've been down that road before. Check out some of the other threads featuring "Blender" and "Blender2."

The fact is, it doesn't matter who or what this character actually is, what matters is the reality that he's derailing communication.

Cheers.

The Listener · 22nd October 2007, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Empty Planet

Yeah, with respect, we've been down that road before. Check out some of the other threads featuring "Blender" and "Blender2."

The fact is, it doesn't matter who or what this character actually is, what matters is the reality that he's derailing communication.

Cheers.

I agree - I overlooked that this was not the thread started by him...
It doesn't matter if he is goofing - the derailing of communication is indeed damaging the forum... sort of a virus that is disintegrating the meaning...

Blindside · 22nd October 2007, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Hob

People are probably laughing at you right now. How are you going to get a warm sound without running through tubes? Explain that one to me or do you want to sound like a computer?

After reading this, it is now clear to me (as I had hoped) that HOB is just fishing and trying to get a rise out of everyone. I mean, c'mon dude. "How can you get a warm sound w/o running through tubes?"

Either he's playing devil's advocate, or he's never actually recorded anything.

Everyone that has ever used a decent solid-state pre knows that..... it's not even worth it to continue. You all know what I was going to say. I hate trolls.

So, back to the question at hand..... I hate brittle top end. I think as far as LDCs go, the good mics have (very generally speaking) a smoother high end, as opposed to crappy mics being overly bright and brittle. Maybe it's just me, though. (It probably has to do with transformers and other stuff I know nothing about. I'm pretty clueless about schematics.)

mrface2112 · 22nd October 2007, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Hob

Everyone disagreed with Thomas Edison about gravity but look who ended up being right.

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

mrface2112 · 22nd October 2007, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mwikkid

i like chocolate chip cookies. the best ones are the ready-to-cook pilsbury stuff that comes in a TUBE. that's the only way to get that taste.

yeah, and you put em in an oven to get em WARM.

lowfreq33 · 22nd October 2007, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Hob

Everyone disagreed with Thomas Edison about gravity but look who ended up being right. \

Isaac Newton?

PRobb · 22nd October 2007, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Empty Planet

Yeah, with respect, we've been down that road before. Check out some of the other threads featuring "Blender" and "Blender2."

The fact is, it doesn't matter who or what this character actually is, what matters is the reality that he's derailing communication.

Cheers.

Only if you play along!

Jimbo · 22nd October 2007, 04:33 PM

The Thomas Edison remark was the nail on the coffin for me. You pushed the character too far with that one Hob, but I have to admit, you had me going for a while there.

Blindside · 22nd October 2007, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by lowfreq33

Isaac Newton?

Blast9 · 22nd October 2007, 05:21 PM

back on topic (for about 5 min at least)

Hey Lennon --- Did you find out anything useful from Klaus Heyne over at PSW yet?

Lennon · 22nd October 2007, 08:11 PM

I tried, but he was in another leaque, obviously. I tried to get a view on the Cad Trion series, the 6000, which I saw some critic compare to a U87. My initial goal was to find out if that could be anywhere near reality.

I have tried to find out what actually makes a mic better than another.
Also by making a U47 copy, with a vf14, Oliver Archut Bv8 and an M7 capsule.
I am trying to find the electronics, Neumann have them, but won't sell me any, understandably. They didn't seem to acknowledge the BV8 of OA, which to my ears sound great.

I also saw over at the Wunderaudio that the measurments of the db reductions/enhancements in the grill before the capsule was of great importance.
I would have liked one of their 'bodies'. Their mics looks good.
There is more to the U47 than meets the eye?

L;

lowfreq33 · 22nd October 2007, 09:10 PM

Sometimes a cheap mic is better. I had a session recently where the M149 just wasn't right for the singer. I ended up using a modded Oktava that cost me 50 bucks. It always depends on the source. That being said, there is some cheap crap out there that sounds horrible on everything.

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22nd October 2007, 01:46 PM	#74
The Listener Gear maniac Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 214	Isn't it interesting what all people would want to do on the internet? Play w(h)ores for others, man presenting themselves as women, old man as young boys, people offering themselves to become punchbags for others... I guess masochism has no limits... That being said - I think this community is mature enough that can survive little provocateurs like this Blender/Hob whatever persona who is quite amuzing... I could imagine a comic book based upon him... A young, pretentious, self-indulged rockstar wannabe with huge holes of knowledge and any understanding of audio with some knowledge of what is hip & expensive and a very good sense of being ultimately insulting... I think he is just bored and likes to play this preposterous alter-ego... I am deranged enough to actually like him! Let all the God's creatures live and prosper under this sun... ;) Until he stays in his cage (his own threads) it is fine - once he escapes and starts polluting other threads that actually seek some information, serious exchange of opinions, etc. he becomes a virus and it is ok to ban him... But until then - let him be. __________________ Space is the place! Last edited by The Listener; 22nd October 2007 at 01:48 PM.. Reason: unnecessery automatic forum censorship of one common word - w(h)ore

22nd October 2007, 02:46 PM	#76
PRobb Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 7,893	Guys- I suspect your chains are being yanked. HOB has to be goofing. Nobody could actually be that dumb. __________________ We are the people we've been waiting for -Barak Obama The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -Edmund Burke

22nd October 2007, 02:57 PM	#77
Empty Planet Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 728	Yeah, with respect, we've been down that road before. Check out some of the other threads featuring "Blender" and "Blender2." The fact is, it doesn't matter who or what this character actually is, what matters is the reality that he's derailing communication. Cheers. __________________ .......... .......... "You can only get as good as you can tell you suck." ............................................. ............................................--Peeder

22nd October 2007, 04:33 PM	#84
Jimbo Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,044	Sacha Baron Cohen?? The Thomas Edison remark was the nail on the coffin for me. You pushed the character too far with that one Hob, but I have to admit, you had me going for a while there.

22nd October 2007, 09:01 AM	#70
gibsonlp75 Gear nut Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 144	I am officially dumber after reading this thread... Hob, save some face bro...

22nd October 2007, 09:07 AM	#72
gibsonlp75 Gear nut Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 144	haha, i really wasnt referring specifically to your last post, but this whole thread. well gentleman, its officially 3:06 am central time... g'night

22nd October 2007, 05:21 PM	#86
Blast9 Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: London Posts: 2,816	back on topic (for about 5 min at least) Hey Lennon --- Did you find out anything useful from Klaus Heyne over at PSW yet? __________________ :: my band is called protoangel My guitars: Atkin OM (sitka spruce top walnut back: sweet mids):: Atkin Small Jumbo (cedar top, rosewood back: big bottom, sparkly top):: Jap Tele with fat frets (rude and fat):: . My amps: 1973 Hiwatt DR504::Framus Dragon ... Latest purchases Kel Audio HM-2d TC Electronic Nova System, Chameleon Labs 7602 Digi 002 + PTLE, Addictive Drums

22nd October 2007, 08:11 PM	#87
Lennon Gear Head Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 33	I tried, but he was in another leaque, obviously. I tried to get a view on the Cad Trion series, the 6000, which I saw some critic compare to a U87. My initial goal was to find out if that could be anywhere near reality. I have tried to find out what actually makes a mic better than another. Also by making a U47 copy, with a vf14, Oliver Archut Bv8 and an M7 capsule. I am trying to find the electronics, Neumann have them, but won't sell me any, understandably. They didn't seem to acknowledge the BV8 of OA, which to my ears sound great. I also saw over at the Wunderaudio that the measurments of the db reductions/enhancements in the grill before the capsule was of great importance. I would have liked one of their 'bodies'. Their mics looks good. There is more to the U47 than meets the eye? L;

22nd October 2007, 09:10 PM	#88
lowfreq33 Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 1,895	Sometimes a cheap mic is better. I had a session recently where the M149 just wasn't right for the singer. I ended up using a modded Oktava that cost me 50 bucks. It always depends on the source. That being said, there is some cheap crap out there that sounds horrible on everything. __________________ Is Wayne Brady gonna have to choke a bitch?!