Lexicon 960 vs Plugin Reverbs

[Joji]

How much better is the Lexicon 960 compared to say TL Space, Revibe, Altiverb etc. The price difference is enormous. You can get and awesome reverb for $1000 TDM or you can pay $15000 for the lexicon. Are the plugin reverb close sounding to the kexicon 960 or is it night and day.

[alexstringer]

For the same money you would pay for a used 960L, i would buy a 480L + a Bricasti. You'll be covered reverb wise and a happy fella!

[mixerguy]

For the same money that you would pay for a used 960L, i would buy a TC 4000 + a Bricasti.

[Sigma]

software is software...

[Joji]

The bricasti. What is this best used for. Roomverbs ,plates etc.

[wildpark]

iam nor the seller but a bricasti is now on ebay really cheapo !

damn i can not buy this monster

cuz no space in my mobile rig .

patrick

[kittonian]

Actually there's much more to the 960L than what is available on other units (barring of course the System 6000 from TC). The vibe of the 960L is awesome (some won't agree with me but I used a 960L for years and it was incredible at every turn). Not only do you get some very serious algorithms, but if you run the unit via analog i/o at 48k, you get 4 stereo reverbs/delays/etc. simultaneously. If you add on the optional 2nd DSP card, you get double that power (that's 8 stereo effects). I liked it better via the analog i/o because the converters definitely have a sound to them that's very pleasing to me.

If you think of how much it would cost you to have 8 stereo high-end reverb/effect units you are way over the price of a 960L. Even with the Bricasti (which is stereo reverb only as far as I know) at a reduced price of $3k/each that would be $24k to get the same power you'd get with a single 960L with the 2nd DSP card. Heck, even if you picked up 8 TC Reverb 4000's (again, stereo reverb only) at $2k/each you'd be at $16k which is right in line with the 960L's price point.

Above that, you get 5.1 algorithms, the LARC2 with the color screen and matrix routing and full automation with moving faders. That's huge. Plus, you can define your own custom presets and save them to a disk. The fact that you can work up to 96k with the 960L and it meets the needs of both stereo/surround work as well as post production for movies/tv makes it extremely flexible.

To me, the 960L isn't overpriced at all and can be everything you need for reverbs/delays in the studio. Sure, it's an expensive entrance fee but it's well worth it.

[narcoman]

totally agree wih that last post.

Whilst there are some excellent 'verbs in tdm, rtas and vst etc etc, the equivalent hardware is generally beter. Not on a like for like basis - but for example, VSS4 n the 6000 and 4000 is nicer than any plugin verb. Better even still that a 6000 or a 960 are just plain old springs, EMT plates, 'verb chambers and god old room ambience - but hn tats the point of 'verb in a box. Not having huge rooms!

960 is excellent. Have used one but own a 6000.

[alexstringer]

Originally Posted by kittonian

Actually there's much more to the 960L ...If you add on the optional 2nd DSP card, you get double that power (that's 8 stereo effects).

Yeah! And the 2nd dsp card cost will cost you the price of a Bricasti.
Also, i personally think it's crazy to spend so much for a 960L, knowing that there hasn't been any system update available for years and none appears to be in development ...
I agree about the surround and automation flexibility offered by the unit though...

[GYang]

For price of 960 = TC 4000+Bricasti+Lex 300L+ Lex PCM96 (assumably good rev)

And still no plug-ins to compare with any of above.
No. Period.

[Pedro_vde]

Originally Posted by kittonian

To me, the 960L isn't overpriced at all and can be everything you need for reverbs/delays in the studio. Sure, it's an expensive entrance fee but it's well worth it.

I totally agree with kittonian... We do own both the System 6000 and the 960 and there are no, and I mean it, no plug-ins that can compare to these machines.

Anyway those two and our Eventides make me feel that I can make any reverb/effect that I'll ever need... and probably will ever need. (I lied... there is also the Kyma/Capybara-system that my colleague just ordered... I can't wait to lay my hands/ears on it)

Kind regards from Belgium

Pedro

[jindrich]

I was in a similar line of thinking regarding the TC6000 and Lex960.

How can they compare today to newer offerings? they're 10 year old pieces of technology after all (although the 480L is 20 or more).

But for the same price, would you have a TC6000/Lex960 or rather...

-Bricasti
-Lex96
-Eventide H8000FW

That 3 piece combo above brings also 4 stereo engines to the table, (actually more, 1+2+8 stereo engines) with 8 analog and digital I/O.

No cool remote though (but they can be controlled by a computer)

[alexstringer]

You can adapt an Eve/Net remote on the H8000 though...

[Dizzi45Z]

Why is this the case? I mean, aren't we all talking about digital reverbs whether it is in a hardware unit or in the box. I haven't been able to do much comparison between reverbs of a hardware unit versus a Plug-in. I'm also not doubting that this might be the case, but is everyone saying that a Plug-in wouldn't be able to match the sound of a hardware unit?

I guess my thinking is that a reverb unit is basically a computer running digital reverb where a plug-in is basically on a computer running digital reverb. It makes complete sense to me that a plug-in wouldn't be exactly the same as a hardware compressor because we are comparing digital versus analog in this case.

Could the other possibility be that plug-ins just don't have as good of algorithms yet?

Would somebody be willing to post some audio examples of some of these hardware reverbs? I'd love to compare the sound to some of my convolution reverbs.

[Den]

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Would somebody be willing to post some audio examples of some of these hardware reverbs? I'd love to compare the sound to some of my convolution reverbs.[/QUOTE]

There is so many examples all around just keep looking..

Bricasti M7
Examples

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/1315684-post3.html

[HMcKenna]

Originally Posted by Dizzi45Z

Could the other possibility be that plug-ins just don't have as good of algorithms yet?

Would somebody be willing to post some audio examples of some of these hardware reverbs? I'd love to compare the sound to some of my convolution reverbs.

The algorithms on the Bricasti require some considerable processing power and the ADDA convertors colour the sound to some reasonable degree. Convolution gets you pretty close but I believe only dynamic convolution can replicate the nonlinearities that are important to many algorithms. For a good summary of the differences between plugins and hardware reverb check out Casey Dowdell and thethrillfactor's posts in this thread What Makes Hardware Reverb Better?