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What if bands created their own sonic picture...

What if bands created their own sonic picture...

I had this idea that I thought might be interesting.

I know it's nothing new but…

Imagine a band trying (and succeeding) to create a sound in a room.

Each guy contributing to that sound.

Adjusting levels, guitar tones, drum tones. Everything.

Making something really musical happen in a space.

Not trying to reproduce a record that they've heard. We know that's impossible.

I'm talking about making something really unique.

And all you had to do was…

Capture it!!!!
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sounds like most good bands up to the mid 70's
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I was just listening to a session I produced of a band in a room with an AEAr88 stereo ribbon through a buzz ma2.2. each member was also close miked with a dynamic of some description, but it was mostly the r88 in the mix and a distant earthworks mic for reverb. The rest came from the band and the results made me smile alot. Capturing a band as if it were a classical recording is really fun and seemingly radical these day's. The recording has alot of depth, the music really envelopes you. I'm gonna do more recordings like that.
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Clusterf*ck.

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you could capture the 2nd coming of jesus singing on the mic, along with beethoven on the keys, mozart playing strings, and hendrix doing his guitar magic ........ and by the time it was mastered the industry media mobsters would still have found a way to make it sound like Nickelback
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you could capture the 2nd coming of jesus singing on the mic, along with beethoven on the keys, mozart playing strings, and hendrix doing his guitar magic ........ and by the time it was mastered the industry media mobsters would still have found a way to make it sound like Nickelback
OMG. I was just talking about this today. A great singer I used to hire had a deal years back. Pretty much right after Avril. She played me her demos and they were off the hook. Out of this world. Original. Fresh. Everything you could want. Joan Osbourne meets Janis Joplin meets Led Zeppelin. A few weeks later she played me the finished record. Sounded like Avril.
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OMG. I was just talking about this today. A great singer I used to hire had a deal years back. Pretty much right after Avril. She played me her demos and they were off the hook. Out of this world. Original. Fresh. Everything you could want. Joan Osbourne meets Janis Joplin meets Led Zeppelin. A few weeks later she played me the finished record. Sounded like Avril.

Yeah man, this is why I HAD to get into learning the recording/production process myself, as painful as it is for a musician/composer type. Every naive newbie seems to view a record deal as the holy grail ticket to the good life. I'm one of those who has been offered a few deals and had to turn all of them down! Why ? Because these labels recognized the talent, but had no intention of letting us retain our own unique sound and vibe. And when i talked to some of the other artists who signed with them they felt that their entire career was actually ruined by the label, and they felt trapped by the contract.

This is why if we really want something original and great to happen today then, as artists we're going to have to make that happen on our own -- and hopefully with a little help from some engineers and producers who are not just in it for that fat label paycheck!!!!!stike
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When i talked to some of the other artists who signed with them they felt that their entire career was actually ruined by the label, and they felt trapped by the contract.
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Very true.

One of the reasons for an Artist to develop a truly unique sound is that if your record doesn't sell 4 million records, you can stilll build an audience and have a real career.

Look at Artists like Aimee Mann. She has a sound. And a devoted (yet smaller audience)

If you sound like everyone else and you don't sell millions, you will have zero devoted fans and your career will be over.
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She played me her demos and they were off the hook. Out of this world. Original. Fresh. Everything you could want. Joan Osbourne meets Janis Joplin meets Led Zeppelin. A few weeks later she played me the finished record. Sounded like Avril.

it's the same deal if you ever get to hear some early nelly furtado tracks. the first record (which had some great songs imo) bore only a slight resemblance to the lady on the demo's. from there on out it was all downhill.


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It's off topic but anyone know a good treatment for this for my son?
That's really OT. This is a serious question? Not a joke i've missed?

If serious - start another thread. What's wrong with his skin? Obviously, different treatments for different problems. I know a lot of nutritional things that give good skin ... but if it's a burn or something you might need something different ...
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What if bands created their own sonic picture...

I had this idea that I thought might be interesting.

I know it's nothing new but…

Imagine a band trying (and succeeding) to create a sound in a room.

Each guy contributing to that sound.

Adjusting levels, guitar tones, drum tones. Everything.

Making something really musical happen in a space.

Not trying to reproduce a record that they've heard. We know that's impossible.

I'm talking about making something really unique.

And all you had to do was…

Capture it!!!!
I know a band who I'm trying to convince to do this very thing It's not very likely though unfortunately. Gonna keep trying ...
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The problem is getting musicians who can really play together. I doubt that many people have the time these days. It's a full time commitment keeping up to date with Facebook and tweeting every bowel movement ... who's got time to practice? Autotune and loop it ...
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it's the same deal if you ever get to hear some early nelly furtado tracks. the first record (which had some great songs imo) bore only a slight resemblance to the lady on the demo's. from there on out it was all downhill.


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I've noticed the same with Maroon 5. I really liked their first album.
I imagine that its the record company that's 'influenced' them to appeal more to the mainstream.
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Imagine a band trying (and succeeding) to create a sound in a room.

Each guy contributing to that sound.

Adjusting levels, guitar tones, drum tones. Everything.

Making something really musical happen in a space.

Not trying to reproduce a record that they've heard. We know that's impossible...
I did this not long ago.

Later the band were like, "OK everything sounds great, but how come it doesn't sound exactly like Vampire Weekend? We need to make it sound exactly like Vampire Weekend."
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