3 channels. 1 drum kit. 0 kick mics.

PheelTheMusic · 4th October 2007, 06:40 PM

I will be recording a remote gig in a week or two and I have only three channels remaining to track the drums. It's a great kit in an even better room so I think this can be done successfully. I originally planned to record a pair of overheads (AKG 414s) and a large dynamic on the kick. The problem is that I won't have access to any dynamic kick mics for this gig. I'm instead down to a couple of decidedly low end condenser mics and a 57. I can use a Rode NT2-A, AT3035 or the 57 on the kick.

I'm now thinking a pair of 414s in Recorderman setup as overheads and the NT2A in front of the kick will give me the best result. I have never used a condenser outside of the kick before. What would be your recommended placement or alternatives to this strategy???

sonixx · 4th October 2007, 08:09 PM

maybe 414 pair out front in Figure-8 Blumlein Config

LCD positioned to capture the Snare and Kick

lowfreq33 · 4th October 2007, 08:34 PM

If you can scrape up $50 the CAD KBM412 is a really good kick mic. I have a D112 also, never gets used anymore.

PheelTheMusic · 4th October 2007, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lowfreq33

If you can scrape up $50 the CAD KBM412 is a really good kick mic. I have a D112 also, never gets used anymore.

It's not a matter of the money. I have a D112 in my personal setup but all of that gear is back home right now which I have no access to. I'm using all of the gear provided for me which somehow doesn't include a kick mic.

Also, the drums will be recorded live in the same hall as a grand piano, upright bass, and sax section.

pkautzsch · 4th October 2007, 10:42 PM

A cheapo Oktava LDC with weak treble is what I usually put up in front of a jazz kick. Before that I used the 3035 which is more linear.
At the levels you're normally mixing a jazz BD, it simply won't matter what you stick in front of it when you've got good OHs. Recorderman *is* about picking up the whole kit, isn't it, so you just need a spot mic for that little bit of attack.

Beech · 4th October 2007, 11:45 PM

"maybe 414 pair out front in Figure-8 Blumlein Config
LCD positioned to capture the Snare and Kick"

That sounds like a good plan.

samwinston123 · 5th October 2007, 12:11 AM

I have used a 3035 on kick with great results. Position it just on the inside of the front head, at about a 45 degree angle aiming up at the shell.

I got a pair of 3035's for a ridiculous deal a while ago, and I am continually amazed at how great they sound. Try one on a bass cab sometime.

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4th October 2007, 06:40 PM	#1
PheelTheMusic Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Long Island, NY + Boston, MA Posts: 612	3 channels. 1 drum kit. 0 kick mics. I will be recording a remote gig in a week or two and I have only three channels remaining to track the drums. It's a great kit in an even better room so I think this can be done successfully. I originally planned to record a pair of overheads (AKG 414s) and a large dynamic on the kick. The problem is that I won't have access to any dynamic kick mics for this gig. I'm instead down to a couple of decidedly low end condenser mics and a 57. I can use a Rode NT2-A, AT3035 or the 57 on the kick. I'm now thinking a pair of 414s in Recorderman setup as overheads and the NT2A in front of the kick will give me the best result. I have never used a condenser outside of the kick before. What would be your recommended placement or alternatives to this strategy???

4th October 2007, 08:09 PM	#2
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pkautzsch Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 992	A cheapo Oktava LDC with weak treble is what I usually put up in front of a jazz kick. Before that I used the 3035 which is more linear. At the levels you're normally mixing a jazz BD, it simply won't matter what you stick in front of it when you've got good OHs. Recorderman is about picking up the whole kit, isn't it, so you just need a spot mic for that little bit of attack. __________________ Microphones always make me sound louder and better! -- Guitar Girl

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Beech Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Dublin Posts: 636	"maybe 414 pair out front in Figure-8 Blumlein Config LCD positioned to capture the Snare and Kick" That sounds like a good plan.

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samwinston123 Gear maniac Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 191	I have used a 3035 on kick with great results. Position it just on the inside of the front head, at about a 45 degree angle aiming up at the shell. I got a pair of 3035's for a ridiculous deal a while ago, and I am continually amazed at how great they sound. Try one on a bass cab sometime.

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