Analog Synths on Human Nature CS 80 or Jupiter 8???

winslowdynasty · 3rd October 2007

Hope this gets to the right people. I have just been biten by the analog bug , and am starting my collection late...age 32. Just gota moog , and Juno. I am an up and coming producer and wanted to knw if you guys know what synths were used by Toto's Steve Parcaro or David Paich on "Human Nature" by Michael Jackson...? was it Jupiter 8 ? or Yamaha CS 80?

Thanks!!!

Dontae

philosi · 3rd October 2007

If you are thinking of getting either a JP8 or CS80, be prepared for maintenance.
The JP8 could be fine, but most do need some service by this point. We have two of them at the studio and only one really works... They get hot, go into edit mode and random stuff happens to the sound.
The CS80, although also an incredible sounding synth need constant tuning. This is a major operation. The unit need to warm up, and stay warm while tuning each of the dozens of little tweeker pots under the hood. My partner has mastered this technique, but he only tunes the machine in the 8' mode. (Looking at the front panel of a CS80 you'll know what I mean)
With that said, don't let me discourage you from continuing your collection. So many guys get the plugin version of what they think will sound like a certain synth but are disappointed.

crufty · 3rd October 2007

I'm a fan of modern synths vs vintage gear, not as replacements for sound, but practical functionality. I like modern MIDI a bit too much, plus I know I can't stomach the maintenance on those beasts. If something breaks down, I like to know the manufacturer is still around to fix it. Call me lazy!

One could take a look a the prophet 08 as a modern polyanalog. Certainly has my eye. Or the Alesis andromeda A6, but the purported tuning issues have me pausing. I've been mulling the two over.
http://www.wohmart.com/a6/audio/

all the same, there is nothing quite like the cs80 or jp, and the p08/andy are not replacements in the slightest. also, I have no idea which synths were used by the folks listed. good luck!

pulse_divider · 3rd October 2007

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Originally Posted by philosi

The CS80, although also an incredible sounding synth need constant tuning.

I don't know, I'm going to have to disagree. I've owned my CS-80 for 5 or 6 years and it has been rock-solid stable. I moved it from my upstairs bedroom to my basement and back twice and over to a friend's house for a while and it never went out of tune. I just moved several states away and have had it sitting in storage for 9 months and only now does the tuning need a touch-up.
I've owned 2 JP-8s and both of those were rock solid as well... never a hint of a problem.
Both of these synths are amazingly over-engineered. I'm sure there are lemons out there but if you can try before you buy and it seems okay, you probably don't have too much to worry about. That's assuming you are familiar with the nature of the beast... all analog synths need occasional maintenance and/or tuning, but these are two of the least problematic ones I've owned.
As for the Michael Jackson song, I have no idea, but Steve Porcaro was a well known CS-80 user so that's my guess. Also, the JP-8 is not velocity and aftertouch sensitive like the CS-80 and it's been a while since I've heard that song, but there should be some clue within the song as to whether AT or Velocity is being routed to control something.

kashief · 2nd October 2009

well i had the same question...this seems to be an older post but i have always been a fan of michael jackson as far back as i can remember, (more than half my 21 years on this earth)... i remember taking my mother's copy of "Bad" on cassett, and us groovin to the whole 'Dangerous" album...but i must say my favorite albums are "Off The Wall" and "Thriller". Just last year i sampled "Out Of My Life"...didnt know it would be the case for michael,(RIP)...i have to redo it tho...

anyway, to get to the point and stop rambling... "Human Nature" is one of my favorite songs...i will literally listen to it on repeat for a half hour at a time or more... i want to do my version of the song and i would like to have it sound as close as possible to the original... soooo is there anyone who can confirm that it was a CS-80? or Jupiter 8? i have the pattern waiting and everything lol you know the arp pattern...that part really draws me into the song so much...i love a good synth sound....

steelyfan · 2nd October 2009

Sorry I can't contribute on the keyboard subject, but Human Nature is my all time favorite MJ song, it still blows my mind today. Those keys and hard panned backup vocals give me the chills everytime. The guy just had something special. The production of that record is just sick.

OferHaber · 21st October 2011

Is very easy.. all u need is some old synth (i used a psr-3) or a toy synth
A drum loop which is quantized to sound like a drum machine
and add layers and layers and layers....

3rd October 2007	#1
winslowdynasty Gear interested Joined: Oct 2003 Location: ca Posts: 6 Thread Starter	Analog Synths on Human Nature CS 80 or Jupiter 8??? Hope this gets to the right people. I have just been biten by the analog bug , and am starting my collection late...age 32. Just gota moog , and Juno. I am an up and coming producer and wanted to knw if you guys know what synths were used by Toto's Steve Parcaro or David Paich on "Human Nature" by Michael Jackson...? was it Jupiter 8 ? or Yamaha CS 80? Thanks!!! Dontae

2nd October 2009	#6
steelyfan Lives for gear Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,005	Sorry I can't contribute on the keyboard subject, but Human Nature is my all time favorite MJ song, it still blows my mind today. Those keys and hard panned backup vocals give me the chills everytime. The guy just had something special. The production of that record is just sick. __________________ Oh no, I like both kinds of music.......Country and Western. Music I'm working on here: http://www.myspace.com/eucalyptuspond Paintings: http://shannonjsimmons.wordpress.com/

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philosi Gear addict Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 306	If you are thinking of getting either a JP8 or CS80, be prepared for maintenance. The JP8 could be fine, but most do need some service by this point. We have two of them at the studio and only one really works... They get hot, go into edit mode and random stuff happens to the sound. The CS80, although also an incredible sounding synth need constant tuning. This is a major operation. The unit need to warm up, and stay warm while tuning each of the dozens of little tweeker pots under the hood. My partner has mastered this technique, but he only tunes the machine in the 8' mode. (Looking at the front panel of a CS80 you'll know what I mean) With that said, don't let me discourage you from continuing your collection. So many guys get the plugin version of what they think will sound like a certain synth but are disappointed.

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crufty Lives for gear Joined: Jan 2007 Location: Home Enthusiasm Posts: 3,743 5 Reviews written	I'm a fan of modern synths vs vintage gear, not as replacements for sound, but practical functionality. I like modern MIDI a bit too much, plus I know I can't stomach the maintenance on those beasts. If something breaks down, I like to know the manufacturer is still around to fix it. Call me lazy! One could take a look a the prophet 08 as a modern polyanalog. Certainly has my eye. Or the Alesis andromeda A6, but the purported tuning issues have me pausing. I've been mulling the two over. http://www.wohmart.com/a6/audio/ all the same, there is nothing quite like the cs80 or jp, and the p08/andy are not replacements in the slightest. also, I have no idea which synths were used by the folks listed. good luck!

2nd October 2009	#5
kashief Gear interested Joined: Oct 2009 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 3	well i had the same question...this seems to be an older post but i have always been a fan of michael jackson as far back as i can remember, (more than half my 21 years on this earth)... i remember taking my mother's copy of "Bad" on cassett, and us groovin to the whole 'Dangerous" album...but i must say my favorite albums are "Off The Wall" and "Thriller". Just last year i sampled "Out Of My Life"...didnt know it would be the case for michael,(RIP)...i have to redo it tho... anyway, to get to the point and stop rambling... "Human Nature" is one of my favorite songs...i will literally listen to it on repeat for a half hour at a time or more... i want to do my version of the song and i would like to have it sound as close as possible to the original... soooo is there anyone who can confirm that it was a CS-80? or Jupiter 8? i have the pattern waiting and everything lol you know the arp pattern...that part really draws me into the song so much...i love a good synth sound....