what mics do you like for horns
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what mics do you like for horns

I usually go the large diagphram condensor route, like a u87. A respected engineer friend was recomending sm57...which do you all prefer. I was also thinking of using both...u87 a little bit away and an sm57 close.
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Obviously, it all depends on the room and the sound you're after, but I love a ribbon on trumpet...
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large di condensors on saxes, ribbons on trumps and bones for me.

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I tend to gravitate towards:

Royer 121 on brass
AEA R84 on woodwinds

Call me crazy.
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R 84 for trumpet is wonderful
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Senn 421s, EV RE-20, Senn. 609

I like dynamic mics on horns.

Ribbon mics on trumpets. Gives them a darker tone that takes away some of that brashness that I hear in trumpets sometimes.

414s work well too.
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Yeah, i've been loving the R121 on trumpet and other brass.
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beyer m160 -trumpets
rca 77 dx or u 87 --saxes
u 47 fet --bones
57 -uhh french horns

err i never cut a tuba
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err i never cut a tuba
Coles 4038 or maybe even an AKG D112.

Can't wait for the day when I get to track contra-bassoon.
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Coles 4038 or maybe even an AKG D112.

Can't wait for the day when I get to track contra-bassoon.
cool ..one day hopefully

i did a quite a few bari saxes and a contra{string} bass [damn it was big]

btw as an aside

i was in alphabet city with a former employee and we went to this bar..there was this trio ..piano , tuba, drums...I was blown away!! whatta sound
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OMG



The entire "Family of Saxophones" is featured - the tiny sopranino, the soprano, alto, tenor, baritone, and bass and the rare and monstrous 6'8" contrabass (described by The Los Angeles Times as "...an instrument with the stature of a power forward in the NBA and a pitch that makes a foghorn sound effeminate.") bwahahahaha
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For me ribbon mics shine in this application. I've had extremely successful results with AEA R84s. Especially, on Tenor and Alto saxophones. 84s also sounded great on flutes, piccolos and clarinets. Trumpet typically gets an R92 or Royer 121. The R92 also works well on Trombone. I've used an RCA 77dx and SM7 on Tuba. I haven't tried the 77 on sax. The Coles 4038s have been on my wish list for some time now.
I understand they do a fine job as well. I love the 4038s as OH/room mics on drums.
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My prefs are mostly ribbons - Coles 4038, Royer R-121/SF-1, AEA R-84/88, Beyer M160/M500NC, etc. or if there are no ribbons in the house, a 441 or an RE-20 can do. It really depends on the player's sound, and the room you're in.

Also, a U67 can sound damn nice, esp on softer blowing brass player...

I've recorded tuba lots, and my prefs are 4038 and R-121, for stereo the R-88 sounds HUGE and gorgeous...
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I'm waiting for someone to chime in asking why you would need a mic for a keyboard.
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The Coles have always worked for me. Trumpet and Bone. An RE20 works on a Bone, even on trumpet in a pinch.

At least one top shelp trumpet guy I record from time to time has a nice U$&. Of course he won't bring it. But he like the Coles as much.

Saxes....c12....U67, 47, 87.
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RCA 77 on trumpet. Also Royer 121 or R84 work well for me on trumpet. Alto I love R84. Tenor R84 CAN work, but most often it doesn't for me. LD Condenser works best, especially the U47 variety. Bone ribbons as well - R84. French Horn R84 worked well.
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I'd try a ribbon 1st.

121 maybe?
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The problem is the question is way too general. A "HORN" is often considered a FRENCH HORN, to brass folk. Or sometimes generically any instrument. "Hey man, go get your horn and let's play some!" -- could be talking to a guitar player. But a lot of engineers refer to HORN as any instrument you put in your mouth to make a sound, and is brassy looking. All horns are different instruments and require different tools to record them.

I find Alto Sax requires much different treatment from Tenor sax. Trumpet is different than Flugelhorn or Coronet. It depends also whether you want to accentuate the brassy timbre or soften it. Same with trombone. It this ALL DEPENDS UPON THE PLAYER AND THE CONTEXT OF HIS PLAYING. A loud aggressive Bone player in a salsa band might want something different than one in a brass quintet or a jazz ensemble.
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horn mics

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Blue Woodpecker for Bone?

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Heil PR40 w/a Ward-Beck M470D mic preamp ("racked" by Dave Thomas) sounds real good.....
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I like a combo that goes like this

shure sm57 and a akg 3000c... put the shure slightly above the other. use your phase reverse if needed and you will be suprised .... hope this helped
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I'm a fan of R-122s on ALL of em!
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I dig the Coles 4040 these days for all kinds of brass and sax.
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