British Consoles

[james.ca]

I can scrape up the coin for a new A&H 24 channel mixer are these any good for recording use and any other British brands up to 3K 24-32 XLR ins , I prefere also new models only don't want some elses heahaches
Thanks James

[divingduck]

Toft Audio ATB.

Much discussed, favourably, on this board... British but manufactured in China (hence why it's within your budget)

[Mr. Tom]

Vintage?
SSL?!?!?

T.

[Andrew Kinsey]

Originally Posted by divingduck

Toft Audio ATB.

Much discussed, favourably, on this board... British but manufactured in China (hence why it's within your budget)

Or if you want to be really British you could get the Trident Audio 8T which is made in Britain by a British company! Failing that the A&H mixers are quite clean sounding and great value for money!

[manning1]

i'm british.
a tip on getting british consoles..the right brit sound.
make sure they are built near southend-on-sea.
the area and essex in general seems to breed clever electronics engineers.
also i dont buy any brit console lest i smell fish n chips on the circuit boards.
make sure also that you see the certificiate by appointment to her majesty etc.

[china jam]

Originally Posted by manning1

i'm british.
a tip on getting british consoles..the right brit sound.
make sure they are built near southend-on-sea.
the area and essex in general seems to breed clever electronics engineers.
also i dont buy any brit console lest i smell fish n chips on the circuit boards.
make sure also that you see the certificiate by appointment to her majesty etc.

British or English??

I don't know any English people that call themselves British, neither do I know any Scots or Welsh that call themselves British. If you told Jade Goody she was British her head would implode from the confusion.

Calling an English geeeeezer British is very American.

On the other hand, Canadian's could be considered British.

I've never said/typed British so many times in my English life.

[Nyquist]

I know pleanty of poms that call themselves british.

[Scott 1/2 Normal]

I'm Welsh and would never call myself British! If anyone is looking for that Welsh console sound, one could never go past Evans consoles, which are built at Ystrad Mynach in and old pit head stock.

Dai Evans (or Evans the Mix as he's known locally) is a true genius. If you want a big sound, these are big! Apparently Jimmy Manic had one tied to his foot when he jumped off the Severn Bridge and he never surfaced, that's how big!

When I used to mix Ivor the Engine for the BBC, I found it impossible to achieve the true Welsh sound without an Evans.

Ich Dien

[rimskidog]

Do you mean British in the sense that it's modded by an american to give it some subjective brtishness sound or do you mean british like Rupert Neve (who was once British)? If the latter, I'd go for Neve board. But you can't afford one so I'd go for the first option. Or the Toft option.... in which case it's arguable that you never meant British at all, but Chinese...

[bdmctear]

I used to have an Allen and Heath Saber. It was pretty great. It's been a while, and it may have been early in my development as an engineer, but I recall it have nice pres (discrete) and nice eq. They are fairly rare, I believe, but I presume they are cheap too.

[jimmyjimjim]

Originally Posted by Andrew Kinsey

Or if you want to be really British you could get the Trident Audio 8T which is made in Britain by a British company! Failing that the A&H mixers are quite clean sounding and great value for money!

Oh gee, Andrew, did you forget to mention that you sell these "Trident" trainwrecks?

You have a pretty uncool history of slashing the ATB, maybe it's time you stopped.

[George Necola]

still have a trident S65 up for sale (witch was used for the first living colour-LP).

cheers

[manning1]

china jam ,
actually i'm english thru n thru mate. born in london.
(i just live in canada.wifey is canadian.)
heres my old grammar school for a giggle.
King Edward VI Grammar School (Chelmsford - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

i still think england produced some great electronics and electrical engineers of brilliance.
if i remember alice is english ??
what happened to them ??

[jimmyjimjim]

Originally Posted by manning1

i still think england produced some great electronics and electrical engineers of brilliance.

The funny thing is, in the same period as Neve, Trident, Helios etc. came to excellence, bad electronics and electrics completely killed the English aircraft manufacturing industry.

Like basing aircraft electronics around 112 Volts DC, and thus having to carry 500Kg's of batteries around in the belly to be able to start the engines. (The airliner called Trident)

That's one business where England is assosiated with utterly bad electronics engineering in the 50's, 60's and 70's.

[Steffmo]

Well....I have a 44 input A and H Sigma in storage. Could sell it fairly cheep as is...and it was in service until a few months ago working fine except for a few module issues...

Or we could refurb it here with ex A and H US engineers. Its in Connecticut, where A and H US was until bought by Harman.

This is a picture of the console. The console...not one like it....

http://www.allen-heath.com/veterans/...pics/sigma.jpg

I shouln't have sold that Deluxe reverb....

But I digress. Many are not familiar with the Sigma, which was discountinues as soon as Harman bought A and H in the late 80's as it competed with Amek, which they also bought. I is a fine console stacks up well to the Neoteks at the front end, and has IMHOP a bit better EQ.

PM me if interested.

[manning1]

jimmy.
re....."funny thing"...your first para.
yes.. a true contradiction.
sometimes uk produced brilliance and other times...problems.
lets not forget some uk car electronics either.
i asked my dad once (an electrical engr..)about this contradiction.
his answer was that in the 50's/60's era many uk employers
were cheap on the wage front,
thus lots of good guys went abroad for better money.
england has a history of not paying engrs too well.
cos in the past the captains of industry typically being
"elites" of the eton/oxbridge variety who wouldnt know
a capacitor from a transistor..lol...ie...lawyers/accountants.
also my dad said the dam cost cutting accountants often got in the way.

whatever happened to studiomaster ?? never hear of em now.
looks like alice is still going.
Alice Soundtech Limited - Series A

[Andrew Kinsey]

Originally Posted by jimmyjimjim

Oh gee, Andrew, did you forget to mention that you sell these "Trident" trainwrecks?

You have a pretty uncool history of slashing the ATB, maybe it's time you stopped.

Never slashed the ATB, am only stating facts here. The ATB is not a British Console, it is made by an American company called PMI Audio and the console is manufactured in China. Not that it makes any difference!

Just thought id set the record straight as it appears that some people think otherwise. The fact that we sell Trident Audio products doesn't change the facts here, its not like ive made any subjective claims!

[MeatPye]

Originally Posted by manning1

if i remember alice is english ??
what happened to them ??

Still going strong... http://www.alice.co.uk/

[jimmyjimjim]

Originally Posted by Andrew Kinsey

Never slashed the ATB, am only stating facts here............ The fact that we sell Trident Audio products doesn't change the facts here, its not like ive made any subjective claims!

OK,

You have slashed Toft, (aka the company of the man behind the historical Trident) in the past. Search your posts(if you haven't been wise enough to delete them).

You commented on the Toft ATB, and suggested the so called "Trident" instead, only based on your vague UK/China comparison.

You didn't mention that you also sell these new "Trident"aka John Oram products of bad quality.

Wish you all succses with your business, but please perform with style.

Personally I would rather buy a mixer built designed by Mao Zedong himself than John Oram FYI.

[Andrew Kinsey]

Originally Posted by jimmyjimjim

OK,

You have slashed Toft, (aka the company of the man behind the historical Trident) in the past. Search your posts(if you haven't been wise enough to delete them).

You commented on the Toft ATB, and suggested the so called "Trident" instead, only based on your vague UK/China comparison.

You didn't mention that you also sell these new "Trident"aka John Oram products of bad quality.

Wish you all succses with your business, but please perform with style.

Personally I would rather buy a mixer built designed by Mao Zedong himself than John Oram FYI.

Have you ever used the Trident 8T?
Have you even seen one in the flesh?

[divingduck]

Originally Posted by china jam

British or English??

I don't know any English people that call themselves British, neither do I know any Scots or Welsh that call themselves British. If you told Jade Goody she was British her head would implode from the confusion.

Calling an English geeeeezer British is very American.

On the other hand, Canadian's could be considered British.

I've never said/typed British so many times in my English life.

OT: Until the Nationalists/Separatists have their way, all us English are still British, and I prefer to refer to myself as such, so do the majority of English people I know (I know plenty of Scots who correctly define themselves as British as well...)

OP: Check out mjq.co.uk - they are handling an online auction from a pro-studio next month...you may get lucky

[james.ca]

Well golly gee whiz
As usual when it comes to audio never enough bable on the subject.
I'm not stuck I have me Tele Tech I can find me something with in my budget .
Heck I just might make my own .
Yes even the bigger brand names are getting parts out of China most companys have have moved there for cheap labour in the last 25 years .
And I mean everyone !

Thanks for the input & feedback
A , buss something I take to & from work
Live long & be hum free
James.ca Toronto

[manning1]

well this brit bloke is flying to england later today to see me dear old mum.
so think i'll check out what brit gear is still made in the uk.
n check out the used console deals etc.

flying away to the airport now..
peace n happiness to all.

[lozion]

Originally Posted by china jam

On the other hand, Canadian's could be considered British.

Pardon? Tell this to the 7 million french speaking Quebecers...

[divingduck]

Originally Posted by lozion

Pardon? Tell this to the 7 million french speaking Quebecers...

I think the Russians have laid claim to Canada already. Je suis desole.

[firby]

Trident 24 here. 40 x 24. I love it so much that it freaks me out. Its so NOT clean that it is funny. Made in London Baby!

Its got the trash to move the ash!

[Geoff_T]

Originally Posted by jimmyjimjim

The funny thing is, in the same period as Neve, Trident, Helios etc. came to excellence, bad electronics and electrics completely killed the English aircraft manufacturing industry.

Like basing aircraft electronics around 112 Volts DC, and thus having to carry 500Kg's of batteries around in the belly to be able to start the engines. (The airliner called Trident)

That's one business where England is assosiated with utterly bad electronics engineering in the 50's, 60's and 70's.

Hi

Could you give me some links to back up this assertion?

The very plane that you mentioned did the first automatic commercial landings using Smiths Autoland which set the path for safer landings in poor visibility.
Decca also made a moving map navigation system similar to GPS used today.
Your post smacks of some sweeping generalisation, methinks.

Autoland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I also lived under the obviously misguided impression that jet engines are started by high pressure air, either from an auxiliary power unit in the tail of the plane or from a ground vehicle. Your assertion that they are cranked over from batteries like a car engine is much more novel!

Quote from Yahoo answers... "Larger engines, for instance the Spey, uses an air start system"

For the record, my father worked for De Havillands and, up to the early 1990's I used to do volunteer work at Duxford Air Museum, restoring old airliners

http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0TwBMH...84208744971305

[allencollins]

All I can say Is I love my allen & heath and I'm glad boeing and Lockheed don't make
consoles.
But sometimes I do wish consoles came with a black box so I see what the hell some engineers are doing

[jimmyjimjim]

Sorry about reviving this old thread, but Geoff deserved an answer.

I was unable to be definite, no manuals or similar found.

But I found a thread on another buzzing forum, with aproxemately the same blend of pros and wannabes we have over here.

At least on 112V and electrical engine start.
112v DC - PPRuNe Forums

Very easy to find by searching aeroplane british 112V

[Geoff_T]

Originally Posted by jimmyjimjim

Sorry about reviving this old thread, but Geoff deserved an answer.

I was unable to be definite, no manuals or similar found.

But I found a thread on another buzzing forum, with aproxemately the same blend of pros and wannabes we have over here.

At least on 112V and electrical engine start.
112v DC - PPRuNe Forums

Very easy to find by searching aeroplane british 112V

Hi

OK, thanks for the link as it made great reading, but my point about the autoland system is still valid and the problems with the British Aero industry has always been the bean counting lunatics in Government.

Let us not forget that the first US jet planes to fly did so with UK supplied jet engines. Miles were very advanced with their development, in the late 1940's I believe, on a supersonic jet but the labour government scrapped funding (much the same as was done with the TSR2) and Bell labs sent techs over to study the features of the project which you will find look very close to the Bell X-1 that Chuck Yeager flew supersonic.

The Blue Streak rocket, part of Britain's under-funded space program, was succesful until cancelled and was used as the first stage of later European attempts but, whereas the first stage always fired successfuly, the later French designs certainly didn't so that was not the fault of the Blue Streak.

Seeing as I worked at British Aerospace in the 1960's, when Concorde was going through the drawing offices, I still see little validity in the original claim of crappy electronics.

I was also involved in the European Noise Reduction Initiative in the 1990's where progress on making aircraft quieter to folk on the ground was way ahead of anything in the USA.