British Consoles

[RoundBadge]

Originally Posted by Peacock

The modded Ghost will perform as well or slightly better than the stock Toft. Don't know about the moded Toft. Never heard a modded Toft.

Is this hear say or do you have first hand experience to back up your statement?
done a direct comparison with both and heard the difference for yourself?

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[O.F.F.]

Just to add my two pence worth!

First penny: After living in Britain for over 20 years I've noticed the british (be they scots, welsh or english) produce some outstanding individual talent. Which is why in industries where individual talent is vital, like console and race car design, they do very well indeed.

But they are (the english in particular) almost completely useless at teamwork and organization. Which is why they are so bad at large scale projects and mass production.
The main problem seems to be a lack of willingness to pass on information voluntarily at almost every level of management and an over-estimation of the own importance on an individual level.

Second penny: I like Audio Developments consoles but they might proof to be a bit pricey
or lacking in features (depends on how you look at it).

[Peacock]

Originally Posted by RoundBadge

Is this hear say or do you have first hand experience to back up your statement?
done a direct comparison with both and heard the difference for yourself?

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I have heard both the Modded Ghost and the Toft. I can send you mixes on the Ghost that I personally did. I have mixes of mutual songs mixed on the Toft and Ghost. if you send me your traditional mailing address I will send you a sample mix to hear.

I try not too do a lot of hear say but do not claim to have never been guilty of it.

My claims with respect to having heard different low level pro and mid level pro consoles are true. I spent 2 years debating on my decision too upgrade from the Ghost to my Neotek Elan. I strongly considered the Toft in that decision process and would give it a strong contender status. I even had Primal gear let me check out their consoles etc. etc. Actually, the Neotek was not my favorite choice in my search but the most practical for me.

I am in no way cutting down the Toft. I consider the Toft and the Ghost both to be good consoles in the approximately same category. Nothing more or less. And this is only my opinion based on what I have heard myself not from others.

[RoundBadge]

Originally Posted by Peacock

Nothing more or less. And this is only my opinion based on what I have heard myself not from others.

Thanks for the clarification.sometimes the S/N ratio in this joint is deafening



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[Lasermonkey]

Originally Posted by Geoff_T

Hi

OK, thanks for the link as it made great reading, but my point about the autoland system is still valid and the problems with the British Aero industry has always been the bean counting lunatics in Government.

Let us not forget that the first US jet planes to fly did so with UK supplied jet engines. Miles were very advanced with their development, in the late 1940's I believe, on a supersonic jet but the labour government scrapped funding (much the same as was done with the TSR2) and Bell labs sent techs over to study the features of the project which you will find look very close to the Bell X-1 that Chuck Yeager flew supersonic.

The Blue Streak rocket, part of Britain's under-funded space program, was succesful until cancelled and was used as the first stage of later European attempts but, whereas the first stage always fired successfuly, the later French designs certainly didn't so that was not the fault of the Blue Streak.

Seeing as I worked at British Aerospace in the 1960's, when Concorde was going through the drawing offices, I still see little validity in the original claim of crappy electronics.

I was also involved in the European Noise Reduction Initiative in the 1990's where progress on making aircraft quieter to folk on the ground was way ahead of anything in the USA.

Yeah, Miles came up with the all-moving tailplane (horizontal stabilisers) for the M.52 and passed that info on to the US. A very significant item, that!
I believe that the M.52's fuselage shape was based on a German 7.62mm bullet!

['Ave it!]

Allen & Heath have always been a bit 'down market'. You can get a lot better. Check out the TLA tube based desks - they have come down in price a lot recently, and sonically piss all over A&H

Good hunting!

PS Southend on sea? Hmmm....Try the north! - AMS/Neve - Amek - Calrec...!

[Mike6581]

The only British desk I've ever been lucky enough to get my hands on was an old AHB CPC24. I swapped it for a MicroKorg and it sounded absolutely fantastic and even had the novel feature of an interface to connect itself to a Commodore 64 to automate the sliders! Alas, it wasn't meant to be. One day a loud crackling noise started coming through the monitors and it burst into flames!

Once the flames had gone out, I rang my mate I'd swapped my MicroKorg with and he said "oh that happened to me once before!" Apparently it came with a bag of spares from the previous owner and my mate had already stripped it down after a similar incident (he didn't inform me of this at the time of the swap mind you).

In my infinate wisdom, and lack of electronics skills, I swapped it back for the MicroKorg. Shame really, but it did take six months for the room to stop smelling of burnt PCB.

Despite nearly burning my house down, I'd love to get my hands on a decent British desk again as whilst it wasn't doing it's level best to kill me, it sounded beautiful!