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Curve Dominant · 15th August 2007

This just arrived in my email inbox - will we ever have enough of this sh&t???

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Next Pro Tools Users Group Meeting - Thursday August 23rd 2007 - Pro Tools Vs. Analogue Console Mixing

The next Pro Tools Users Group meeting will be on Thursday August 23rd 2007 at 7.30pm at RSPE Audio Solutions in Universal City, Los Angeles.

Please visit us at www.ProToolsUsers.org to sign up for the event.

(If you haven't signed as a member on our new website yet, you'll need to do that first.)

Some people prefer the sound when you mix digital audio through an analog console. Some people prefer the sound when all mixing and processing are done in Pro Tools with no analog gear whatsoever. So, Digidesign recently did an experiment to see how closely you could match some mixes done on a large-format analog console using Pro Tools and modeled console channel strip plug-ins. They have posted the resulting audio files for you to hear.

Join us at the Pro Tools Users group to go in depth on this very popular discussion and recent web test. Tom Graham, frequent User Group moderator and Digidesign LA Icon Specialist, will take us through how the test was set up and will play the full 24 Bit versions of the double blind test. Also joining Tom will be mixers Brian Malouf and Erik Zobler who participated in the analogue mixing portion on the SSL 4000 G Console fully using Dynamics, EQ and the Quad Bus Compressor, and to answer questions and offer insights.

Brian Carter, digidesign demo specialist will take us through the new and powerful sampler plug-in that redefines the art of sampling: Structure.

Thanks,
The ProToolsUsers Team

raal · 15th August 2007

no.

Led · 15th August 2007

I second that emotion.

The Byre · 15th August 2007

Perhaps those who indulge in this debate with such vigour (and those who get so excited about PT v. other DAWs) realise that for the rest of humanity, this is the most asinine of all debate topics.

It's as pointless as PC v. Mac or any other of these completely nerdish anorak debates that clog up forums and stop others from being able to discuss in a sober and unemotional manner matters effecting our industry.

Unclenny · 15th August 2007

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Originally Posted by The Byre

Perhaps those who indulge in this debate with such vigour (and those who get so excited about PT v. other DAWs) realise that for the rest of humanity, this is the most asinine of all debate topics.

It's as pointless as PC v. Mac or any other of these completely nerdish anorak debates that clog up forums and stop others from being able to discuss in a sober and unemotional manner matters effecting our industry.

FFTT · 15th August 2007

As far as sound quality, warmth and detail, give me analog and 2" tape any day.

They can argue that digital is cleaner all they want, but they'll never convince me
that it's better.

Dan · 15th August 2007

Digital is better.

There, I told you!

¡Viva La discusión!

max cooper · 15th August 2007

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Originally Posted by Curve Dominant

This just arrived in my email inbox - will we ever have enough of this sh&t???

Even worse than debating analog v. digital is debating about debating analog v. digital.

uptoolate · 15th August 2007

Personally, I'm interested in this debate. Not for the sake of debate at all, but for the simple reason that I am trying to determine if a different way of working would benefit my sound.

If you think it's a stupid topic, or think it's silly, why post a thread like this at all? Why waste your time with it?

patrox247 · 15th August 2007

It's things like this that made me get rid of all my digital and analog gear. My studio runs MUCH better now!

heyman · 15th August 2007

There was a thread about mixing on a Real SSL vs SSL plugins.. They would switch back and forth and dare you to tell the diffrence..

I heard the diffrence.. The plugs sounded boxy, 2 dimensional and didnt seen pleasing to the ear. The real Console smoked the Plugs.

soupking · 15th August 2007

ProTools!

Analog!

Enh!!!

patrox247 · 15th August 2007

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Originally Posted by soupking

ProTools!

Analog!

Enh!!!

Uhhhh......Why do you have a pic of a guy in a bathtub?

The Byre · 15th August 2007

That's shampoo doing battle with the conditioner.

I thought everybody knows that!

patrox247 · 15th August 2007

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Originally Posted by The Byre

That's shampoo doing battle with the conditioner.

I thought everybody knows that!

Oh yeah? Well what is that golden dragon looking at?

Chris G · 15th August 2007

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Originally Posted by max cooper

Even worse than debating analog v. digital is debating about debating analog v. digital.

or debating about the debating of the debating of analog v digital..... i had to, i just couldn't help it.

T_R_S · 15th August 2007

"Nobody cares about analog recording anymore, ... well nobody that matters."

patrox247 · 15th August 2007

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Originally Posted by T_R_S

"Nobody cares about analog recording anymore, ... well nobody that matters."

So you're the guy who decides who matters and who doesn't? Sounds like a tough job.

Toad · 15th August 2007

This is going to turn into a mass-debate!!

max cooper · 15th August 2007

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Originally Posted by Chris G

or debating about the debating of the debating of analog v digital..... i had to, i just couldn't help it.

Now that's debateable.

Slater · 15th August 2007

The debate helps pro-audio manufacturers sell more products. Your never going to stop hearing this baloney.

Jonboy79 · 15th August 2007

Who cares, I mean really who cares? Use whatever you use and stop bitching about it. Some of you guys are amongst the most ridiculous I've ever had a discussion with. There are plenty of pros that are ITB, there are plenty that are OTB but that shouldn't matter to a single person on here. Whatever you use is what you use and what works for you. Why waste your time complaining about this shit, or debating it. WHO THE **** CARES!!!!!

Colossal · 15th August 2007

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Originally Posted by Toad

This is going to turn into a mass-debate!!

us engineers love mass-debating...

soupking · 15th August 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Byre

That's shampoo doing battle with the conditioner.

I thought everybody knows that!

Yeah, and it's about as asynine as arguing that...

apples are better than oranges, or that
macs are better than PCs, or that
PHP is better than ASP, or that
Pro Tools is better than Tape

because you can't prove opinion.

It's amazing that somebody would actually go out of there way to build a forum on this subject. All you need is one thread, cuz all of them amount to the same thing...

Adam Sandler in a tub battling it out with hair care products.

Besides, sound isn't about music anyway. Everybody knows that.

soupking · 15th August 2007

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Originally Posted by Slater

The debate helps pro-audio manufacturers sell more products. Your never going to stop hearing this baloney.

Good point.

Curve Dominant · 15th August 2007

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Originally Posted by Jonboy79

Who cares, I mean really who cares? Use whatever you use and stop bitching about it. Some of you guys are amongst the most ridiculous I've ever had a discussion with. There are plenty of pros that are ITB, there are plenty that are OTB but that shouldn't matter to a single person on here. Whatever you use is what you use and what works for you. Why waste your time complaining about this shit, or debating it. WHO THE **** CARES!!!!!

Especially today, when it seems the era of recorded music as a commodity of value is finished.

If people are going to rip your music off of Gnutella, why the fvck would you care if it was mixed on an SSL or in PT?

it's a Pleasure · 15th August 2007

yah....yawn....mmmm yup...discussed to death.

now, I've got a serious question...

which pre should i get?

Bo Jorgen · 16th August 2007

Non-issue for the pros. Non-issue for the home recordists. Big issue for the wannabees.

Now show yourself.

FossilTooth · 16th August 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by soupking

Yeah, and it's about as asynine as arguing that...

apples are better than oranges, or that
macs are better than PCs, or that
PHP is better than ASP, or that
Pro Tools is better than Tape

because you can't prove opinion.

But... Macs are better than PC's!

Generally, you're right, there's no debating taste and everyone's entitled to their opinion.

However, if a 13 year old tells you that Nickelback is better than Nirvana, or Linkin Park are better than the Beastie Boys, you can rest assured that their opinion is wrong. Plain wrong.

There's an exception to every rule.

....including that rule about there being an exception to every rule.

My head hurts.

robot gigante · 16th August 2007

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Originally Posted by Dan

Digital is better.

There, I told you!

Thanks!

15th August 2007	#4
The Byre Lives for gear Joined: Jan 2004 Location: Highlands of Scotland Posts: 2,019 1 Review written	Perhaps those who indulge in this debate with such vigour (and those who get so excited about PT v. other DAWs) realise that for the rest of humanity, this is the most asinine of all debate topics. It's as pointless as PC v. Mac or any other of these completely nerdish anorak debates that clog up forums and stop others from being able to discuss in a sober and unemotional manner matters effecting our industry. __________________ http://www.the-byre.com

15th August 2007	#6
FFTT Lives for gear Joined: Dec 2005 Location: A stoned throw from ground zero Posts: 5,768	As far as sound quality, warmth and detail, give me analog and 2" tape any day. They can argue that digital is cleaner all they want, but they'll never convince me that it's better. __________________ Don't look at me in that tone of voice Put music in your heart and heart in your music

15th August 2007	#11
heyman Lives for gear Joined: May 2005 Location: Providence, RI Posts: 2,769	There was a thread about mixing on a Real SSL vs SSL plugins.. They would switch back and forth and dare you to tell the diffrence.. I heard the diffrence.. The plugs sounded boxy, 2 dimensional and didnt seen pleasing to the ear. The real Console smoked the Plugs. __________________ Best quote ever....! Posted by Infernal Device.. "Guitar Center.... Even the good news is in the moan zone."

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uptoolate Lives for gear Joined: Apr 2005 Location: Nashville, TN Posts: 565	Personally, I'm interested in this debate. Not for the sake of debate at all, but for the simple reason that I am trying to determine if a different way of working would benefit my sound. If you think it's a stupid topic, or think it's silly, why post a thread like this at all? Why waste your time with it?

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Toad Lives for gear Joined: Dec 2004 Location: The Great Northwest Posts: 634	This is going to turn into a mass-debate!!

15th August 2007	#21
Slater Gear nut Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 122	The debate helps pro-audio manufacturers sell more products. Your never going to stop hearing this baloney.

15th August 2007	#22
Jonboy79 Lives for gear Joined: Sep 2005 Location: St. Louis MO Posts: 2,636	Who cares, I mean really who cares? Use whatever you use and stop bitching about it. Some of you guys are amongst the most ridiculous I've ever had a discussion with. There are plenty of pros that are ITB, there are plenty that are OTB but that shouldn't matter to a single person on here. Whatever you use is what you use and what works for you. Why waste your time complaining about this shit, or debating it. WHO THE **** CARES!!!!!

15th August 2007	#27
it's a Pleasure Gear nut Joined: Jan 2004 Location: philadelphia Posts: 81	yah....yawn....mmmm yup...discussed to death. now, I've got a serious question... which pre should i get?

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Bo Jorgen Gear nut Joined: Jan 2006 Location: Stockholm Posts: 142	Non-issue for the pros. Non-issue for the home recordists. Big issue for the wannabees. Now show yourself.