IPHONE

[Flymax]

1) Speakerphone is way low in volume
2) Keyboard is much harder to use than treo
3) Navigation in the phone screen is awkward
4) Battery performance is poor compared to Treo
5) This is an I Pod and It's a hassle to always have to have an adapter to listen to it

If you owned a Treo you might see that it's a lot harder to get around on the I Phone.

On the positive side..it syncs perfectly with my Mac...Safari is great..having ITunes Sync is fun and easy..The touchscreen is the best ever except for typing...

The reason I started this post is because I thought Apple would have worked out all these little things and made a better "Version 1"

Overall, I'm happy I got it and I imagine Apple will come out with software updates to fix some of these things.

They could have the keyboard flip horizontally for bigger keys. I'm sure the speakerphone could be louder with a software fix because music plays plenty loud out of it. The adapter for the headphones will have to be a hardware rev.
The navigation will be easier with a software fix.

[AllAboutTone]

Originally Posted by George Necola

ohoh.. iphone affects mental health..

In what way ? Mr George Jealous

btw: im not in a big hurry for software updates, im a happy camper just the way it is........

[Resonater]

Originally Posted by FLYMAX

1) Speakerphone is way low in volume
2) Keyboard is much harder to use than treo
3) Navigation in the phone screen is awkward
4) Battery performance is poor compared to Treo
5) This is an I Pod and It's a hassle to always have to have an adapter to listen to it

Zaza, good post. I haven't used the speakerphone part...so it's interesting if music plays much louder than speakerphone. You're right...weird and (hopefully) fixable through software.

I also wonder why some apps can flip to horizontal mode and others can't. Perhaps it's a programming nightmare or something to get the typing keyboard to flip? It seems like one of the apps that we'd all like to see most...the keyboard "flip". Still, as time goes on, I get used to typing (it's still more like "pecking" for me), and the artificial intelligence seems to be getting smarter. I like how if you have some weird nickname for someone (like "Wib", our cat's name)...well the first couple times you type it, it tries to "correct" it, but once you insist that's what you want...it allows you to type it without trying to correct. Kool.

Headphone adaptor is a mystery. I guess there was some weird hardware issue.

Re: battery, I can only compare with earlier phones I've had, and in my case, iPhone is about the same as my previous phones. I charge in the wall (not on the dock) every other night. I guess if it's much worse than Treo, this might be attributable to the touchscreen mostly? I don't know. Perhaps when it comes time to replace our batteries, they'll have stronger ones out there?

I'm certainly not a power user on phones. I make/receive less than half a dozen a day, so I can't really complain about the phone part. OF course, I love the visual voicemail. And the phone interfaces perfectly with my Acura TL. Hands Free Link is great. But I think for those people who phone a lot, if there's a simpler way to use it, I'm sure a software update will be released to give those people a better phone screen or whatever. I guess one of the things I love about the product, as you said, is the ease of updating it. I've been using Apple products for decades, and the entire auto-syncing is very handy. I look forward to syncing products because it's so painless.

Anyway, good post. It's great to talk specifics with you.

[ssaudio]

Originally Posted by Resonater

Wonderful then. We can talk in specifics. What exactly about the product and its place in Apple technology do you dislike that could not be addressed in a future software update?

I've already said - it's too big

other than that, it doesn't have enough memory

software wise, the list is endless, but it wouldn't be if they allowed 3rd party apps, so if they sort that, then fine, it might be able to compete

but it will never be as big as you seem to think

[barryjohns]

Originally Posted by ssaudio

I've already said - it's too big

other than that, it doesn't have enough memory

software wise, the list is endless, but it wouldn't be if they allowed 3rd party apps, so if they sort that, then fine, it might be able to compete

but it will never be as big as you seem to think

It is obviously clear that you have no idea what you are talking about regarding any subject. You seem to do nothing but take the opposite opinion; it seems, just to cause controversy. Just like the last thread you posted in regarding preamps.

The IPhone is simply the best phone on the market, period. There isn't any other phone that comes close to doing what it does. Real Internet, Real Mail, Real Ipod. None of the others do this with style and sophistication. I have owned practically every phone out there and nothing comes close. Yes 3rd part apps MIGHT be a good thing, but I found the vast majority of them to be boring and useless when using my Palm Treo and/or my Blackjack. It takes up much less space in the pocket than just about any other phone, only slightly more than the Razr.

You are the kind of guy who debates not having any first hand knowledge on the subject.

Foolish, immature, talk.

[AllAboutTone]

Originally Posted by Resonater

Zaza, good posI also wonder why some apps can flip to horizontal mode and others can't.
OF course, I love the visual voicemail. And the phone interfaces perfectly with my Acura TL.

thank you.........visual voicemail ?......how is that done ? im not up to date on everthing, Does that come with data...?

[ssaudio]

Originally Posted by barryjohns

It is obviously clear that you have no idea what you are talking about regarding any subject.

And it is obviously clear that you have a severe inability to debate having taken the ad hominem approach directly on two occasions. Having looked at many of your other posts, it's clear why you do this, but it does continually show you in a very poor light.

My advice is for you to retract your juvenile post.

Now, back to the discussion at hand, what exactly is it I've said that shows I have no knowledge of the subject? Obviously you reckon that you are the font of all knowledge and experience here, but it should also, surely, have crossed your mind that just maybe others know a wee bit too?
If you care to read the discussion, instead of just attacking me, you will see that others also do not regard this phone as the be all and end all - as it stands, all I've said is that it lacks functionality to currently compete in the smartphone category and that in the world of phones, Apple have little chance of making a serious impression - these are facts, nothing more nothing less.

Oh yes, and it's too big.

Feel free to castigate me further...

[AllAboutTone]

Originally Posted by barryjohns

The IPhone is simply the best phone on the market, period. There isn't any other phone that comes close to doing what it does. Real Internet, Real Mail, Real Ipod. None of the others do this with style and sophistication. I have owned practically every phone out there and nothing comes close..

I cannot help but give you a ....perfect spoken words of truth....

[AllAboutTone]

My iphone is paying for itself.........is yours ?

When im out and about in GC or pawn shops to name a few, im always looking for deals and sometime im a little unsure if a deal is really a deal.
So i find a item of interest, pull out the iphone, dail in ebay to see what its going for and if i see that i can make $$$ i go and talk them down more, take it home and sell it on ebay..... the iphone pays for itself.

I bought a 4x5 studio camera for $75.00 went home and sold it on ebay for $500.00
I found a u47 before i got my iphone in Mint shape for $1400.00, use it a little, sold it on ebay for $2800.00 within 30 seconds.
I bought a mesa amp for $600.00 and sold it on ebay for $800.00, i used iphone for the judgment.
so my iphone is paid for.....i got it free with a small amount of work.

[Resonater]

Zaza,

Visual voicemail? Well, if you haven't used it...if you get, say, five messages, they will all show up in a list (including who placed each call to you) and you can simply choose which one you want to hear, rather than having to go through all five to get to the last one. And once each message starts, a progress bar pops up while you're playing your message, so you can simply scroll it backwards to rewind a few seconds...scroll forwards just to hear the end of the message, etc, etc. WAY hipper than normal voicemail. No more dialing voicemail central...no more entering your code...it's just the way it should have been all along.

Enjoy.

[AllAboutTone]

Originally Posted by Resonater

Zaza,

Visual voicemail? Well, if you haven't used it...if you get, say, five messages, they will all show up in a list (including who placed each call to you) and you can simply choose which one you want to hear, rather than having to go through all five to get to the last one. And once each message starts, a progress bar pops up while you're playing your message, so you can simply scroll it backwards to rewind a few seconds...scroll forwards just to hear the end of the message, etc, etc. WAY hipper than normal voicemail. No more dialing voicemail central...no more entering your code...it's just the way it should have been all along.

Enjoy.

Thank you so much, i must have misunderstood and thought verbal voicemal and said WTF..lol
thanks a bunch for the info, great point.......do not forget to read my psot about paying for my iphone...lol

[MattiMattMatt]

Actually, come to think of it, I used my iPhone in a Guitar Center. The guy working there couldn't figure something out with a piece of gear, so using my iPhone, I googled the company, got on their website, touched the tech help phone number (the iPhone recognizes phone numbers: touch and dial), and got an answer easy peasy while the Guitar Center dude was still running around in circles.

[Resonater]

Originally Posted by ssaudio

I've already said - it's too big

other than that, it doesn't have enough memory

software wise, the list is endless, but it wouldn't be if they allowed 3rd party apps, so if they sort that, then fine, it might be able to compete

but it will never be as big as you seem to think

SSAudio,

Too big? Well, we can't really debate that one, since it's an individual preference thing. I don't mind its size, especially when you consider sitting on an airplane and using it to watch movies, TV shows, etc. And the size comes in handy when surfing the net and nearly every app that ships with iPhone. If you'd prefer a smaller device, surely you're willing to give up screen space for these purposes, and I'd prefer to have the size as it is.

Not enough memory? You're kidding, right? Is there a cellphone made that ships standard with more than 4 or 8 gigs? The Nokia 5300 ships with 5 MEGS! Can you help explain here? The Blackberry 8300 ships with 64 MEGS! And you're complaining about 4 or 8 GIGS? Huh?

Software, and especially third party software. Well, let's see, Apple's cellphone history is now exactly 45 days old. Nokia, which shipped its first mobile phone in 1984, has roughly 8400 days under its belt to this point (Ref: Nokia - The move to mobile - Story of Nokia - Company - About Nokia). Isn't it telling that we're even comparing the two products/companies? Nokia has had 23 years to perfect the mobile phone, yet Apple comes along with a product which, on its first release, which introduces visual voicemail, easy conferencing, etc etc. Surely, when Apple brings third party software developers onboard fully, the platform will instantly become the standard (if it's not already the standard). So, while people may have minor quibbles about this or that aspect of iPhone, there can be little question that the Apple platform will only grow and steal business away from every other company out there.

As far as it never becoming as big as I think, there's no doubt it will become bigger than any of us can imagine today.

[ssaudio]

Originally Posted by Resonater

Well, we can't really debate that one

Correct

Originally Posted by Resonater

Can you help explain here?

I mean for what it boasts it is, i.e. a phone with an iPod. If it had 20GB it would be much better value in comparison to other smartphones

Originally Posted by Resonater

Surely, when Apple brings third party software developers onboard fully, the platform will instantly become the standard

This is my point. Apple currently cannot hope to match the likes of Nokia for R&D budget so, as much as Apple are ahead of eg Nokia (although Apple are far from being the first phone with a touch screen UI) it really won't take much for the main companies to catch up (if they feel they need to). The phone market is enormous, orders of magnitude bigger than the sales of iPods and it's a very hard market to crack, regardless how good the ideas - the jury is still out on smartphones.
Apple will no doubt do well with this product, but I don't think they'll dent the phone market (even in this bracket) in the slightest, they just don't have the resources.

[AllAboutTone]

Another thing the iphone can be used for: it works just like the ipod, you can hook in a dock conector just like your ipod and play your tunes over the car radios that were built for ipod, the song title and artist come up just like the ipod, nano the same as well, a great charger if needed. My big ipod i leave in my Jeep locked up in the dash at all times.

[Resonater]

Originally Posted by ssaudio

Apple will no doubt do well with this product, but I don't think they'll dent the phone market (even in this bracket) in the slightest, they just don't have the resources.

MacDailyNews - Apple iPhone grabs 1% of Q3 07 worldwide smartphone market in one and a half days

Well, it appears as though the iPhone has garnered 1% of the entire worldwide smartphone sales for the quarter in just 30 hours on sale, and that does NOT include any sales from the online Apple Store during last quarter. I'd say that's a rather amazing statistic. Remember, that's WORLDWIDE, for THE ENTIRE QUARTER in just 30 HOURS.

I wonder if Creative (maker of the then-popular Rio) thought the same as you when Apple released their first iPod. Look here to see how that went. The Amazon list, which changes hourly, right now shows Apple holding down 7 of the Top Ten slots, with Sandisk holding the other three. But look closely...the average selling price for a Sandisk is $70.00, while the average iPod selling price is $215.00. So, when you do the math, Apple's got 88% of Amazon's Top Ten MP3 player market!

So, there can be little doubt that Apple will topple the cellphone market in the same fashion. It is an already-determined destiny, due to the Apple full integration with phones, computers, iTunes, iPods, etc. None of the other companies, including the well-entrenched Nokia and Motorola, will be able to compete.

[C Heat]

Originally Posted by Resonater

[url=http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/14394/]So, there can be little doubt that Apple will topple the cellphone market in the same fashion. It is an already-determined destiny, due to the Apple full integration with phones, computers, iTunes, iPods, etc. None of the other companies, including the well-entrenched Nokia and Motorola, will be able to compete.

Ever. Or at least not in 'our' lifetime.

Time to jump on the Apple fanboy wagon people

[AllAboutTone]

Originally Posted by Resonater

None of the other companies, including the well-entrenched Nokia and Motorola, will be able to compete.

In the long run, its possible that this could be true, i said possible ok !!
Apple is very powerful, the only time they f>cked up was when they made those stupid looking color computers that look like a girl should own rather than a man, Apple keeps growing and growing, they have took over the recording industry and design houses. That right there is large enough must less the monster iphone that we are talking about.

[ssaudio]

Originally Posted by Resonater

So, there can be little doubt that Apple will topple the cellphone market in the same fashion. It is an already-determined destiny, due to the Apple full integration with phones, computers, iTunes, iPods, etc. None of the other companies, including the well-entrenched Nokia and Motorola, will be able to compete.

the iPod was a product with a ready market and no real competition, the iPhone is up against it before it starts - the only thing it has over it's competition is iTunes, all the rest are either standard or in the pipeline; a 1% share of the smatphone market is not remarkable, or even a slight worry for the major players

your hyperbole, like the iPhone is not addictive, sorry

Originally Posted by zaza2

That right there is large enough must less the monster iphone that we are talking about.

err, methinks you should do some research - the mobile phone biz is orders of magnitude bigger than Apple's share of the industries you mentioned - Apple is tiny compared to the major players there, absolutely tiny

[uptoolate]

I don't like the iphone because that is 5 or 6 hundred bucks I could have spent on music gear!

[Resonater]

Originally Posted by ssaudio

the mobile phone biz is orders of magnitude bigger than Apple's share of the industries you mentioned - Apple is tiny compared to the major players there, absolutely tiny

Yes, Apple is tiny compared to the major players. AND, brand new to the marketplace. Which is why their accomplishments, which will become widely known at their next quarterly conference call, will be all the more remarkable. By January, these "majors" will face an even darker day, having passed a holiday season of iPhone sales through the roof. Nokia probably thinks as you do, SS, with the "there's no chance the tiny Apple will affect us" position. Then, all of a sudden, they'll face the reality that the market they've developed since 1984, is no longer satisfied with inferior standalone products. The market wants a fully integrated experience. A year from now, as Apple expands its iPhone lineup, Nokia will be wondering what the hell hit them and how this could happen so suddenly and so forcefully. For now, we can only sit and predict our visions of the future. Let's revisit the topic in late October to see how the iPhone tidal wave sucks life from its competitors.

[AllAboutTone]

Originally Posted by uptoolate

I don't like the iphone because that is 5 or 6 hundred bucks I could have spent on music gear!

I listed above how to get a iphone FREE.....lol

[AllAboutTone]

Originally Posted by ssaudio

the mobile phone biz is orders of magnitude bigger than Apple's share of the industries you mentioned

And what might they be selling for.......ballpark.?

[ssaudio]

Originally Posted by Resonater

The market wants a fully integrated experience

The jury is out on that one

Originally Posted by Resonater

A year from now, as Apple expands its iPhone lineup, Nokia will be wondering what the hell hit them and how this could happen so suddenly and so forcefully

I seriously doubt there will be any surprise

Originally Posted by Resonater

Let's revisit the topic in late October

Far too soon, give it a few years

[ssaudio]

Originally Posted by zaza2

And what might they be selling for.......ballpark.?

that doesn't parse too well, sorry

[Jules]

5 questions:

1) I read yesterday that the Iphone cant handle Macromedia Flash.. Is that true? What if you are surfing and get to a site that is Flash based?

2) Also I heard that the IPhone Safari browser wont remember log in & password details.. Is that true? (PITA if so..)

3) In the UK I use my Treo 650 and surf the web using GPRS. I wonder if I be able to make use of Edge in the UK? And if so will it give quicker speeds than GPRS? What about G3 access?

4) Does it do SMS text messaging or not? SMS is HUGE in the UK, it had better be able to do this.

5) Can you view Word & Excel & PDF documents?

I would want that keyboard to orientate sideways for the biggest possible keyboard layout for my two thumb text typing..

I am going to heed advice to hold off getting one until after this Macworld : Macworld Conference & Expo

But hats off to you IPhone pioneers!

[ssaudio]

Originally Posted by Jules

Is that true?

for now, yes

Originally Posted by Jules

vAlso I heard that the IPhone Safari browser wont remember log in & password details.. Is that true? (PITA if so..)

that appears to be the case, worse, there are no 3rd party apps so the chances of using a proper password manager are slim, at best

Originally Posted by Jules

I wonder if I be able to make use of Edge in the UK?

That shouldn't be a problem

Originally Posted by Jules

And if so will it give quicker speeds than GPRS?

I doubt it

Originally Posted by Jules

What about G3 access?

Not at present

Originally Posted by Jules

Does it do SMS text messaging or not? SMS is HUGE in the UK, it had better be able to do this

Yes, it supports SMS but not group texting or MMS, which will hopefully be included in future - working with bands and not being able to group text and MMS is a nightmare

Originally Posted by Jules

Can you view Word & Excel & PDF documents?

Yes, attachments are viewable, but there is no editing :(

Originally Posted by Jules

I am going to heed advice to hold off getting one

yup, I would advise anyone in Europe holding off for at least 6 months...

[Jules]

How about a set of Blue Tooth 'virtual faders" that could be applied to DAW control ala Tranzport?

[drummerboy1533]

OK,now you just hit my buttons.I bought one in Hawaii on last day of vacation(kids were jealous!),got back and decided to read some comments and reviews.....W-H-A-T...no voice recognition,can't change out battery,too fragile to handle an occasional drop? NO INSURANCE!?!Took it back to Phoenix Apple.Got a refund less the 10 percent restocking fee!!! Now I don't even want a damned iPod...

[AllAboutTone]

Originally Posted by Jules

5 questions:



2) Also I heard that the IPhone Safari browser wont remember log in & password details.. Is that true? (PITA if so..)

I think ebay has changed some security methods so im having issues with them on a normal G4, however the iphone always remembers my log in but NOT the password, guess what ? Gearslutz is always there and it remembers the password...lol.