Newbie PTHD Recording question..

[amost]

Let's say you have a full blown mix with many aux/sub groups & RTAS & TDM plugs plus ADC on stun but you decide you need to overdub a few things. If you record straight into that session you're going to run into the L word...so do you set up another template/session with no plugs(maybe a few TDM) and no auxes and record to that & then later import back into the full blown session. I'm just trying to figure out the limit that I can go using plugs & recording. I don't want to record with plugs except verb but just trying to see what you do when you want to add to an already full mix. TIA.

[kittonian]

You don't have to worry about that with PT|HD unless you have RTAS plugs running on the track you are planning to record on. Generally the bottom line is to try and use TDM plugs as much as you possibly can and only use RTAS when you have to.

I come to the end of a mix all the time and end up re-recording a track that just isn't sounding as good as it should. PT|HD allows you to do this and there's virtually no latency (I've never noticed it).

[heyman]

Christ, what ever happened to just hitting the record button ?

Man, I think about what it would be like to go with a pro tools rig.. Then I see this shit...

I will stay with my Radar 24..

[macrae11]

Yeah it should be simple no latency issues at all.

If the mix is getting really heavy and your processor is getting bogged down that is a different story. Easily fixed though. Just disable(not bypass) any plugs you don't need that are slowing you down. Then reinsert them when you're done tracking. You can disable plugs by control+command clicking on them. Don't remember the PC command.

Originally Posted by heyman

Man, I think about what it would be like to go with a pro tools rig.. Then I see this shit...

I will stay with my Radar 24..

As for heyman: If you were doing on a PTHD rig what you can do on a RADAR 24 rig, there are no issues with latency same as with RADAR. The question involves things that RADAR is not capable of doing and so is obviously going to have more issues.

Note: I'm not dissing RADAR, I'm just trying to clear up the difference in situations. I've used RADAR and loved it and frankly wish I could have one of them next to my HD rig, but it's just to much money.

[amost]

Originally Posted by heyman

Christ, what ever happened to just hitting the record button ?

Man, I think about what it would be like to go with a pro tools rig.. Then I see this shit...

I will stay with my Radar 24..

Hey first off...I'm a newbie to HD so don't go by my post. There's alot of room for operator error I admit.

[heyman]

Amost... no disrespect to you or Kittonian or Mccrea...

I am just saying... Damn....! Digital has come a long way and is great for editing...
But with Digital, comes latency problems..

Thats all..

[amost]

Originally Posted by kittonian

You don't have to worry about that with PT|HD unless you have RTAS plugs running on the track you are planning to record on. Generally the bottom line is to try and use TDM plugs as much as you possibly can and only use RTAS when you have to.

I come to the end of a mix all the time and end up re-recording a track that just isn't sounding as good as it should. PT|HD allows you to do this and there's virtually no latency (I've never noticed it).

Well I hear ya but if I have an already recorded Vox Channel on a Vox Aux which is routed to a SubMaster Aux and I input a new Vox on a new channel that is routed the same way...there is latency even with no plugs on the Vox Aux, SubMaster Aux & channel being recorded.

I'm not complaining though...I've figured a few things out in the process. Newbie! If I record the new channel routed to Outputs 1-2(ITB) all is cool even with ADC slamming everywhere.
Also if I record routed through the Vox aux as first described but suspend ADC on the AUX channel...all seems good. These are just some newbie observations.

[macrae11]

Just curious, but why are you recording through all of these auxes without any plugs on them? Why not just record to the track you want the vocal on?

[amost]

Originally Posted by macrae11

Just curious, but why are you recording through all of these auxes without any plugs on them? Why not just record to the track you want the vocal on?

Heh. Well I'm not. I pulled the plugs off of them just to take them out of the equation and see exactly what happens when you record routed through auxes with ADC on & off. It's all good, I just record routed to the main outs as should be I guess & all is fine. Thx.

[kittonian]

As long as there are no RTAS plugs on the AUX tracks you are routing to and long delay compensation is turned on and enabled, there should be no latency when recording to a new track regardless of how it is routed. I do this all the time with guitar tracks that are sent to a stereo aux called guitars (for grouping purposes). Never had a latency issue (but again, I'm not using any RTAS plugs on those tracks (in fact, the only time I use RTAS is when forced via virtual instruments that don't have TDM versions).

[amost]

Well yeah until you stick an RTAS plug on another track & the Plug-in Delay Indicator goes Orange....recording through the aux that is. I hear it. Whether it's the hawg PSP or 64 sample RenComp. Multiply this by many channels. Again if I go through 1-2 outs or defeat the ADC on the AUX that seems to be the fix for me

[kittonian]

It goes orange because delay compensation is temporarily disabled when you are recording so that it's all real-time. Stop using RTAS plugs and you'll stop having issues. I never understood why people buy a TDM system and then continue to use native plug-ins. I mean, I know they are cheaper but come on, you spent a fortune on your rig, don't you want it to work to it's fullest capabilities?

[amost]

According to the Bible the Orange indicators mean something else but that's
another story.

Yeah the TDM fest is about to begin but really to me RTAS sounds decent on here
& performance is pretty over the top on a Mac Pro and with ADC even better...for mixing that is. I was just trying to see what I could get away with recording.
Thanks for the insight.