GEAR NOT YET BUILT 2.0 ....

[nifti-dot]

...so the first thread arose some good stuff - it got long - so...to keep it neatly AND to add detail .... 2.0 !

(if ya read this 4 the first time) : I had this idea of ducking away freq. bands - like a dynamic eq with sidechain inputs for each definable band !
this , as yall know can be achieved in several ways, but now it seems crystal clear that NO plugin an NO hardware exists, that is specialized on these operations !! NONE !! (I´m still eager 2 be proven the opposite)
I called this "thing" a "frequency-selektive-ducker" (f.s.d)
(many here didnt like that)

so... how would YOU do it ?

if it matters at all, I´m writing a thesis paper on this and I´ll print out, whatever is a nice approach to the subject and include it in it !
OR if it`s just plain funny ;p (@richardswag) thumbsup !!!

this is all just theory but .... ment to be FUN !!!
I by no means mean to boast about inventing new dynamic-processors or FX !
I invite everybody make up loony "wirings" with me

[marcnyc]

I haven't read your original post you refer to and I am not sure I understand your question correctly (what do you want to duck? the signal or the given frequency range of that signal?), but if I do, in the world of Pro Tools plug ins, I can think of a few things (and depending on what you want to duck a combination of these plug ins will let you duck either the entire signal or just the selected frequency range):
- a De-Esser (like the Waves De-Esser or the Waves Renaissance De-Esser) plug in with the "Side Chain" button clicked and then side-chained to a limiter with a duck function (like the Drawmer Dynamics).
- One or a bunch of frequency-dependent dynamic plug ins (say the Waves C4 for example) and a side-chained plug in with the duck function (like the Drawmer Dynamics) so that you can side chain the signal only when it goes above a certain threshold in a certain frequency range
- there is also a plug in called Roger Nichols Digital Dynamizer (Mix magazine product review of the Dynamizer compressor plug-in from Roger Nichols Digital) which I never used but allows you to do dynamic range-dependent (as opposed to frequency-dependent) compressor which I am sure, coupled with maybe some other plug ins could achieve what you want to do.

Let me know if that answers your question

[heathen]

All you need to do this is a split of the signal you want to duck with, an eq and compressor or other dynamic control device with a side chain input. This setup can be made to duck any frequency range in a signal. This is what a side chain input is for, am I missing something?

Anyway for gear not built yet I want a quantum computer which also makes a great coffee. Also I want a levitating motor cycle.

[nifti-dot]

Originally Posted by marcnyc

I haven't read your original post you refer to and I am not sure I understand your question correctly (what do you want to duck? the signal or the given frequency range of that signal?), but if I do, in the world of Pro Tools plug ins, I can think of a few things (and depending on what you want to duck a combination of these plug ins will let you duck either the entire signal or just the selected frequency range):
- a De-Esser (like the Waves De-Esser or the Waves Renaissance De-Esser) plug in with the "Side Chain" button clicked and then side-chained to a limiter with a duck function (like the Drawmer Dynamics).
- One or a bunch of frequency-dependent dynamic plug ins (say the Waves C4 for example) and a side-chained plug in with the duck function (like the Drawmer Dynamics) so that you can side chain the signal only when it goes above a certain threshold in a certain frequency range
- there is also a plug in called Roger Nichols Digital Dynamizer (Mix magazine product review of the Dynamizer compressor plug-in from Roger Nichols Digital) which I never used but allows you to do dynamic range-dependent (as opposed to frequency-dependent) compressor which I am sure, coupled with maybe some other plug ins could achieve what you want to do.

Let me know if that answers your question

...hey yeah that did give me a bunch of ideas thumbsup
- i want to duck a given freq. range ! sorry i dont know if the waves de-esser allows ya to fully choose the freqs. - base...?
to give a rather unlikely cenario : you have lets say a sample ...guitar and base + amps - or whatever... just anything thats goin on from 90hz - 10khz or so - and now drums : ya insert your "f.s.d." on the sample and put the kick into a side-chain channel that will lead to a "duckaway" of the freq. range from 20hz - 95hz ....from the sample BUT WHEN THE drums stop in the song the sample will fully return in its range !
know what mean ?
but i dont think this would be practized !

thx
4 the pro tools tips

[Fredrik]

You can definetely do that with a multiband compressor. Just bypass all bands but one, select the freq range and choose a source for the sidechain.

[Jonboy79]

Originally Posted by Fredrik

You can definetely do that with a multiband compressor. Just bypass all bands but one, select the freq range and choose a source for the sidechain.

Wave arts multiband comp might work for that. It's pretty nice actually.

[peeder]

Originally Posted by Fredrik

You can definetely do that with a multiband compressor. Just bypass all bands but one, select the freq range and choose a source for the sidechain.

Yeah but the thrill of feeling like an inventor isn't included with that plan.

[Fredrik]

Originally Posted by peeder

Yeah but the thrill of feeling like an inventor isn't included with that plan.

haha no but theres a drawback to every method I guess.

[Berolzheimer]

I've thought about this too, and haven't found anything yet that will do it. None of the multiband dynamics tools I've used have sidechain inputs.
I'd love to see you make this, but remember you have to filter to seperate the bands, and that filtering can really screw up the sound. Listen to Waves c4 sometime to see what I mean.
Use good FIR filters and build some flexibility into the dynamics section & you'll have a great mixing tool. I'd recommend you look at the ducking section of the Drawmer GCL as inspiration foe the dynamics control.

[Fredrik]

Originally Posted by Berolzheimer

I've thought about this too, and haven't found anything yet that will do it. None of the multiband dynamics tools I've used have sidechain inputs.

You are right, no sidechain actually. Bummer! Although it could probably be done in hardware using the drawmer 3sum.

[nifti-dot]

@fredrik - yeah... thats by far the most convenient solution 2 that thumbsupthumbsupthumbsup
darn - is it that simple!! - im gonna try that with the waves c4 ...lets see if that workx

ever heard of a FREE multiband comp with a sidechain...***he he..****
anyone ? (thought I´d ask)

[patrox247]

Why do you have 3 current versions of this thread?
That's SPAM.

[Berolzheimer]

Originally Posted by nifti-dot

@fredrik - yeah... thats by far the most convenient solution 2 that thumbsupthumbsupthumbsup
darn - is it that simple!! - im gonna try that with the waves c4 ...lets see if that workx

ever heard of a FREE multiband comp with a sidechain...***he he..****
anyone ? (thought I´d ask)

C4 doesn't have sidechain, I was just citing it as an example of a multiband dynamisc plug with bad sounding filters.

[nifti-dot]

Originally Posted by Berolzheimer

C4 doesn't have sidechain, I was just citing it as an example of a multiband dynamisc plug with bad sounding filters.

hahahaahaaaaa..... yeahstike

...they sound like ass dont they !

if been twisting on the SSL AWS 900 lately...now thats an eq !

[mightybiter]

It's very funny!
When peeder wrote "This is done very easily with a filtered sidechain into a multiband compressor. At least, what's new and different here?"
you answered: "ya didnt get it AT ALL !!!"

As i stated that you describe just the principle of a desser,
you answered "amateur...read more carefully".

What now? Still got no brain?

On the one hand you study at SAE Hamburg now, on the other you brag "I'm into audio for 11 years".
However...to make sure you get the right education, i sent email to the german SAE Hamburg including your mugshot and a link to your thread.
I suggested to put you into the hall of fame side by side with tom misner.

peeder
Yeah but the thrill of feeling like an inventor isn't included with that plan.

LOL


The original thread: ...gear not yet built - possible or not ?

[nifti-dot]

[quote=mightybiter;1400578]It's very funny!
When peeder wrote "This is done very easily with a filtered sidechain into a multiband compressor. At least, what's new and different here?"
you answered: "ya didnt get it AT ALL !!!"

As i stated that you describe just the principle of a desser,
you answered "amateur...read more carefully".

What now? Still got no brain?

- .....NO

On the one hand you study at SAE Hamburg now, on the other you brag "I'm into audio for 11 years".
However...to make sure you get the right education, i sent email to the german SAE Hamburg including your mugshot and a link to your thread.
I suggested to ........

-AND WE`RE GONNA HAVE A GOOD TIME READING THAT !!!

-and ya still understood half of what i said ... 50% is cool though
-i suggest you take your lousy mannors to some "despersate-single-men" forum AND GET A LIFE !




-you had enough time to realize my peacefull intentions ... now youre trying 2 make it personal..
-what 4 ... ?






-you amateur ..... *****hahahahaaaaa*****
-that one got you good

[patrox247]

[QUOTE=nifti-dot;1400599]

Originally Posted by mightybiter

It's very funny!
When peeder wrote "This is done very easily with a filtered sidechain into a multiband compressor. At least, what's new and different here?"
you answered: "ya didnt get it AT ALL !!!"

As i stated that you describe just the principle of a desser,
you answered "amateur...read more carefully".

What now? Still got no brain?

- .....NO

On the one hand you study at SAE Hamburg now, on the other you brag "I'm into audio for 11 years".
However...to make sure you get the right education, i sent email to the german SAE Hamburg including your mugshot and a link to your thread.
I suggested to ........

-AND WE`RE GONNA HAVE A GOOD TIME READING THAT !!!

-and ya still understood half of what i said ... 50% is cool though
-i suggest you take your lousy mannors to some "despersate-single-men" forum AND GET A LIFE !




-you had enough time to realize my peacefull intentions ... now youre trying 2 make it personal..
-what 4 ... ?






-you amateur ..... *****hahahahaaaaa*****
-that one got you good

Hows the design and building coming along? Give us an update? What is involved in the circuit (on a component level)? Any pics?

[stimming]

nifty, don´t let them get you down! lol

i was on sae in hamburg, 2 - funny things going on there..

[stimming]

and by the way - anyone mentioned the sonalksis CQ1 and DQ1??
with this 2 plugins you should get what you want. well, they don´t sound that brilliant, but you can do very complex eq and dynamic tasks in the whole frequencyrange... with sidechain possibilities in the plugin - cubase users...

[Fredrik]

The only way I can think of that this can be done atleast with a different ext sidechain for each band is with a drawmer three sum and three independent compressors.

[nifti-dot]

[quote=patrox247;1400731]

Originally Posted by nifti-dot

Hows the design and building coming along? Give us an update? What is involved in the circuit (on a component level)? Any pics?

hahahaaaaa*****

...how do ya kidz like the smileys - ya like `em dontcha - ***laugh**
..you be quiet now - the other kids wanna say something too you know ..

: hey patrox123 - hows your growing up coming along ..? like
(on a puberty level) ...yet ?

[nifti-dot]

Originally Posted by stimming

nifty, don´t let them get you down! lol

i was on sae in hamburg, 2 - funny things going on there..

guten tag oder moin

thanx bud` ***laugh** no worries - just idiots!

...so when did ya leave the sae - were you already in the "medien-bunker" were they are now ?
- yes 99% of us are enjoying the stay a whole lot !!! great atmosphere and sympathetic supervisors and... just fat
i love it

yup the sonalksis stuff was metioned before - this is the closest to, what i picture a "f.s.d" to be like !
the difference of course would be the sidechain inputs for each (definable) band/range !
did ya read my example ? it should be here somewere....
hold on i`ll get it... (silly but examplary)

[nifti-dot]

@stimming
okay...
- i want to duck a given freq. range !
to give a rather unlikely cenario :
you have lets say a sample ...guitar and base + amps - or whatever... just anything thats goin on from 90hz - 10khz or so - and now drums : ya insert your "f.s.d." on the sample and put the kick into a side-chain channel that will lead to a "duckaway" of the freq. range from 20hz - 95hz from the sample ! but the bd fully kicks through without fighting the lows of the sample ! ---- 4 the snare a different range etc. - BUT WHEN THE drums STOP in the song the sample will fully return in its range !
know what mean ?

[ssaudio]

my guess is

this doesn't exist

because no-one needs it

[patrox247]

[QUOTE=nifti-dot;1400854]

Originally Posted by patrox247

hahahaaaaa*****

...how do ya kidz like the smileys - ya like `em dontcha - ***laugh**
..you be quiet now - the other kids wanna say something too you know ..

: hey patrox123 - hows your growing up coming along ..? like
(on a puberty level) ...yet ?

So you just have this idea for a useless product that there is no demand for and felt that you should start a bunch of threads about it? We would like to know some specifics on a design level. If you want to talk about it, please give us some more specific insight. It's cool you have an idea you believe in, but people have ideas every day and if there is no vision on how to accomplish that idea, it's rather useless.
Here's an a idea... Build a time machine with user friendly controls that can transport you to any of the specified times and dates selected. The interface should be simple and yet allow the user a great deal of control. I don't beleive this product currently exists either, and I think there would be a huge market.thumbsup

[nifti-dot]

this is all just theory but .... ment to be FUN !!!
I by no means mean to boast about inventing new dynamic-processors or FX !
I invite everybody make up loony "wirings" with me

[heathen]

Worst thread ever!

[peeder]

In the original thread I described how I've made one of these using simple, free plugins included in any DAW. You can do that in about half an hour and get a demonstration platform up. Tune your crossovers with sweeps and noise. Then, show us how cool your new toy is with sound examples that couldn't be done better any other way.

I myself never felt a need for this specific topology but when I'm mastering I'm mostly mastering things I can fix in the mix if necessary.

Anyway I like the fact that you want to create new (at least new to you) things as part of your education. However, you could use some experience with online forums. Specifically about choosing your battles wisely, avoiding and ignoring namecalling and bickering, and keeping a discussion on topic and productive. When you first arrive in a forum, I suggest being somewhat deferential until you know the ropes and culture of it and can then become an iconoclast if you wish.

Right now I think many are laughing at the very word "iconoclast" as applied to you. You're just a gung ho googly eyed little kid, openly and baselessly insulting some extremely seasoned professionals. That's survivable to a point but you might not want to let it get out of hand.

[JP11]

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[Blast9]

Why does nifti-dot's profile only have 1 post in the 3.0 thread but 26 in this one???

2 profiles with same name?