eventide alternatives (for Ableton Live)??

[miercoles]

anybody know any good plugins comparable - or maybe even better than - the eventide?

[ignatius]

the only thing that comes to mind is the soundtoys bundle. there's other stuff but i only have experience w/soundtoys. they really sound amazing. great stuff.

there is no real replacement for eventide though... not w/o getting pro tools and the eventide TDM plugs

[miercoles]

I actually have an h3000 for live use, but since I use Ableton for live use, I thought of maybe downsizing even further by running the vocals through a plugin. Anyway, I'm just looking for something decent sounding, cpu friendly, etc. any more thoughts?

[Radiance]

Originally Posted by miercoles

I actually have an h3000 for live use, but since I use Ableton for live use, I thought of maybe downsizing even further by running the vocals through a plugin. Anyway, I'm just looking for something decent sounding, cpu friendly, etc. any more thoughts?

Soundtoys are made by the same people who designed some of the h3000 algorithms.....

[3rd world order]

Originally Posted by miercoles

anybody know any good plugins comparable - or maybe even better than - the eventide?

jesus, man. WHICH "eventide"? there are 400 programs in my DSP4000 and that's just one model.

you might wanna narrow down your request slightly.

[miercoles]

The harmonizer is the main thing I'm looking for. Its for live vocals, so like I said - something similar to eventide (in quality). In other words, people who would like to use Eventide plug-ins, but don't have protools - which would you go for?

[xist]

well, as said above, I would anyway demo the SoundToys Native Bundle, I bet you could find very quality stuff into it...

About harmonizing, there's not much stuff available for realtime performances. Right now I'm testing the new Antares product, I'll have a review out in the next days.
Anyway it's a different beast compared to Eventide's stuff, which is more a multifx workstation with complex modulations, etc...

[Ditherman]

Audio Damage Discord 2 does the micropitchshift/ H910 thing well

[DeadPoet]

+1 for Discord2

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[xist]

H910/Discord2?

Dunno why, but I think he's talking about later Eventide models...

[KBToys]

Originally Posted by Radiance

Soundtoys are made by the same people who designed some of the h3000 algorithms.....

Just for the record, I designed all the DSP algorithms in the H3000 but three. The phaser alg was done by another engineer, Laura Nass who was working with me at the time. Bob Belcher who's been with me at SoundToys since the Eventide days designed the Band Delays and String Modeler and designed all the circuity, except for the analog section, which was designed by Dave Derr (the father of the Distressor). We also designed the DSP4000 which as far as I know is still sort of living on in software form in most of the subsequent Eventide products.

I also designed the Mod Factory "plug-in" for the H3000, which was an EPROM chip that got plugged-in to the H3000 motherboard. Eventide later licensed it from me to create the "D" versions of the various harmonizer flavors.

-- Ken Bogdanowicz
SoundToys Founder and head Toymaker

[xist]

I'm glad to see Ken joining here. We wouldn't have many beautiful albums without those products and those algorithms :-)

That's why when someone asks such questions I'm always suggesting them to try the Soundtoys bundle, especially on native platforms which are not covered by Eventide's own software products.

Ken, as said elsewhere too, what about the porting of Soundblender?

p.s: I'm going to PM you to ask one thing...

[KBToys]

Originally Posted by xist

Ken, as said elsewhere too, what about the porting of Soundblender?

We're still trying to decide what to do with it. I'd be curious to hear how most people are using it - what patches do you find yourself using most of the time?

- Ken

[amost]

Originally Posted by KBToys

Just for the record, I designed all the DSP algorithms in the H3000 but three. The phaser alg was done by another engineer, Laura Nass who was working with me at the time. Bob Belcher who's been with me at SoundToys since the Eventide days designed the Band Delays and String Modeler and designed all the circuity, except for the analog section, which was designed by Dave Derr (the father of the Distressor). We also designed the DSP4000 which as far as I know is still sort of living on in software form in most of the subsequent Eventide products.

I also designed the Mod Factory "plug-in" for the H3000, which was an EPROM chip that got plugged-in to the H3000 motherboard. Eventide later licensed it from me to create the "D" versions of the various harmonizer flavors.

-- Ken Bogdanowicz
SoundToys Founder and head Toymaker

Very cool...

Hey Ken, which Toys FX would have the closest algorithm to Micropitch Shift Delay? Thanks.

[KBToys]

Originally Posted by amost

Very cool...

Hey Ken, which Toys FX would have the closest algorithm to Micropitch Shift Delay? Thanks.

PitchBlender (part of SoundBlender) for TDM would be closest. For LE or AU, Crystallizer can do some pretty decent H910 style effects.

[amost]

Thanks Ken!

[megl]

Originally Posted by KBToys

Just for the record, I designed all the DSP algorithms in the H3000 but three. The phaser alg was done by another engineer, Laura Nass who was working with me at the time. Bob Belcher who's been with me at SoundToys since the Eventide days designed the Band Delays and String Modeler and designed all the circuity, except for the analog section, which was designed by Dave Derr (the father of the Distressor). We also designed the DSP4000 which as far as I know is still sort of living on in software form in most of the subsequent Eventide products.

I also designed the Mod Factory "plug-in" for the H3000, which was an EPROM chip that got plugged-in to the H3000 motherboard. Eventide later licensed it from me to create the "D" versions of the various harmonizer flavors.

-- Ken Bogdanowicz
SoundToys Founder and head Toymaker

Ken - I tried the demo of the Soundtoys plugins and I'm about to pull the trigger on the Native bundle. I must say I'm really impressed by your effects - the EchoBoy is scary good! One particular thing I like about it is how the output section works - it seems like instead of clipping it's saturating when you turn it up? I've never seen that in a similar plugin. How does it work - some kind of convolution?

/megl

[jho]

Warning, fan-boy rant about to commence....

Ken - Pitchblender is my favorite plug in of all time... thank you for making it. Echo boy, phase mistress and your filter plugs are right there too. Thank you !!

[guitardom]

this post got me interested. i went to download a demo of soundtoys native and the only demo link i could get was to mac. is there a pc demo???

[tomdarude]

wow...guess I totally missed these out !!!

*so you mean the crystallizer does some decent ITB micropitchshift/delay/doubler/chorusing stuff with a bit of eventide flavour ??

(been using a lot of Altiverb-instances with H3000 presets...and they take much cpu and don´t sound THAT impressive, as they are not really doing timebased random stuff)

*Echoboy is doing the DUB thing, with loads of adding up repeats that don´t clip ITB ???
How does it compare to the UAD-Space Echo....soundwise/featurewise...close???

*a good/warm/fenderstyle sounding Tremolo plugin ??

guess I must have the Native Bundle......

[megl]

Originally Posted by jho

Warning, fan-boy rant about to commence....

Ken - Pitchblender is my favorite plug in of all time... thank you for making it. Echo boy, phase mistress and your filter plugs are right there too. Thank you !!

Hoping for a AU-version soon ;-)

/megl

[Ditherman]

Originally Posted by megl

Hoping for a AU-version soon ;-)

/megl

Yes, AU version of soundblender please...I have been waiting forever for this !

[xist]

Originally Posted by tomdarude

wow...guess I totally missed these out !!!

Tom, you should try them... You'll love Crystallizer, and even if you have the UAD RE-201 (I have it too) Echoboy is a different and more flexible thing. They can live together, in my opinion...

For Ken: not being on PT platforms, I have no direct experience of Soundblender, but from all the things I've read on it it seems to be the "modulation maestro" with its pitchshifting features which I associate to "yours" Eventide experiences and which I've always dreamed to have on a native platform...
And I think it would a very successful product to add to the native bundle....

[KBToys]

Originally Posted by megl

Ken - I must say I'm really impressed by your effects - the EchoBoy is scary good! One particular thing I like about it is how the output section works - it seems like instead of clipping it's saturating when you turn it up? I've never seen that in a similar plugin. How does it work - some kind of convolution?
/megl

Originally Posted by tomdarude

(been using a lot of Altiverb-instances with H3000 presets..

Convolution can't do everything. Convolution (for the most part) can only model linear, static devices. Saturation, compression, and distortion are non-linear. Chorus and pitch-shifting are time-varying (non-static). Things like tape are non-linear AND time-varying. None of this stuff can be captured by convential convolution techniques that are used in Altiverb and others. To us, the really interesting (and really hard) stuff to model is all the non-linear, time-varying stuff, and we try to inject as much of that as we can into our effects.

-- Ken

[KBToys]

Originally Posted by guitardom

this post got me interested. i went to download a demo of soundtoys native and the only demo link i could get was to mac. is there a pc demo???

Oops - we missed that on the latest web update! No worries though, the release plug-ins are the same as the demos. Just go here: http://www.soundtoys.com/download/

Also, just to be clear, the PC versions are RTAS and TDM only for now. We're working on the VST, but not quite there yet.

-- Ken

[guitardom]

Oops - we missed that on the latest web update! No worries though, the release plug-ins are the same as the demos. Just go here: SoundToys Support

Also, just to be clear, the PC versions are RTAS and TDM only for now. We're working on the VST, but not quite there yet.

ahh thank you i am a tied up, mugged and held hostage by digidesign pro tools user, so thats all good to me anyway!!

a question i am not sure has been asked, here anyway, why has plugs like soundblender not been made native, something that is still in progress maybe???!!

[CeretoneAudio]

Camel Audio - VST Plugins, VSTi, Audio Units - Synths & Effects

[xist]

ehm, Ceretone, you were in a minimal mood eh? ;-)

Anyway, for what I know Camel does not have such products in its (interesting otherwise) line.

[philipc]

For delays, chorus, filters, Fabfilter Timeless has something Eventide-esque about it for sure.

[macleodgrant]

i was so keen to try the soundtoys demo and installed it on my new mac pro to use with logic and tried it briefly, i then installed protools just to check and old session and on day 2 of my soundtoys trial, the trial is over!!!!! i wanted to demo it as i'm ready to splash out if they're good so i'm seriously disappointed i can't try them now! just needed to rant!

another hand up for soundblender - digidesign is awesome if you have TDM otherwise LE is cr*p for various reasons though the software is generally very clever