SSL: What Would You Get POLL? SSL E, G/G+, J/K, or Duality?

84K · 11th July 2007, 06:32 PM

THis is a poll to see what everyone here would get for their room. Consider a good "E" can be had for 80k, a good G/G+ can be had for 100-150k, J's and K's range 175k-???(alot)k, and Duality is 350K. Now, be a slut, but try to think about recouping your investment. I am just interested in what the majority of gearsluts would get. This maybe fun, please don't flame, hate, or argue. We all have the right to our own opinions and no one is wrong.

tINY · 11th July 2007, 07:09 PM

I kninda like the sound of a PB&J right now - should be about 350 cal.

-tINY

narcoman · 11th July 2007, 07:12 PM

duality for sure.

next year if all goes well!!

mischa janisch · 11th July 2007, 08:31 PM

I'd look for a G+, black EQs, VU's, probably 48ch. no Plasmas, no Ultimation - that's easier in maintenance, no extra power supplies. Can be found for 60-80k EUR. I don't think anything else would 'recoup' where I live...

PhilE · 11th July 2007, 08:44 PM

For my room a 40/48ch G+. Thats the classic SSL really and I need it to be small!
But if Duality fitted then a used one when they are available as they have some apealing points!

sonicdefault · 11th July 2007, 08:51 PM

Duality

Sigma · 11th July 2007, 08:57 PM

i'd take the money saved and buy software and outboard gear..why live in the past?

Tony"CD"Kelly · 11th July 2007, 09:13 PM

Duality

, 48ch around $290,000.00 loaded.....Inna few years

thethrillfactor · 11th July 2007, 09:52 PM

The "investment recouping" SSL to me doesn't exist anymore. It would be strictly a luxury personal purchase. Not enough clients demand it anymore. Lately most of my higher paying clients are asking more to work more on classic consoles.

Come to think of it the ideal SSL doesn't exist either.

mischa janisch · 12th July 2007, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

The "investment recouping" SSL to me doesn't exist anymore. It would be strictly a luxury personal purchase. Not enough clients demand it anymore. Lately most of my higher paying clients are asking more to work more on classic consoles.

I think nowadays any console or advanced summing solution that costs more than 60k will have a hard time recouping with music clients only...

Interesting what you say about classic consoles. I assume this is for mixing - it probably wouldn't be worth mentioning for recording. But what do you consider a classic console, 80ies series neve and vintage API's?

sonicdefault · 12th July 2007, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

The "investment recouping" SSL to me doesn't exist anymore. It would be strictly a luxury personal purchase.
...

I agree! And when everyone is flahin' their new iphones at me, I'd just whip out a picture of my quater-million dollar board.

thethrillfactor · 12th July 2007, 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mischa janisch

But what do you consider a classic console, 80ies series neve and vintage API's?

Yes.

I see the future of the new major recording studios going in this way. Back to the golden age of recording(late 60's-70's) with a modern touch when needed.

Large classic Class A consoles with FF2 and a Digi Icon.

This is bad news for anyone looking for a Neve or API. Prices will continue to climb.

This is good news for anyone looking for anything else especially SSL's.

A backlash of sorts against what some consider the sonic ills of the modern record.

zwaps · 12th July 2007, 11:05 PM

I would get a good desk for that price that I can use recording but I could also use live (never know) so probably a good digital one.

But the majority of 350k would be spend in room, mic and outboard. No matter how much I already own, because such a board is not worth it in my opinion.

84K · 13th July 2007, 02:53 AM

I love the G+!! Most of my favorite albums were mixed on them

deuc647 · 13th July 2007, 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

The "investment recouping" SSL to me doesn't exist anymore. It would be strictly a luxury personal purchase. Not enough clients demand it anymore. Lately most of my higher paying clients are asking more to work more on classic consoles.

Come to think of it the ideal SSL doesn't exist either.

Thrill, its a what would u get between the SSL fam thread.

Tony Shepperd · 13th July 2007, 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

The "investment recouping" SSL to me doesn't exist anymore. It would be strictly a luxury personal purchase. Not enough clients demand it anymore. Lately most of my higher paying clients are asking more to work more on classic consoles.

Come to think of it the ideal SSL doesn't exist either.

Thrill is right. Look at the numbers.

$290,000 (using Tony Kelly's numbers).
10% down. ($29,000 to start lease).
$261,000 (plus around 8% for finance charges).

All in all, it puts you around $4,500 a month.
Then throw in about $300 to $500 a month for your new found electricity bills.

That's a lot to add to your bottom line every month.

thethrillfactor · 13th July 2007, 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deuc647

Thrill, its a what would u get between the SSL fam thread.

Probably an early 80's E but heavily modified or a 9000K.

84K · 13th July 2007, 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

Probably an early 80's E but heavily modified or a 9000K.

What is it you like better about the early E's? I thought they made some pretty significant revisions from the early ones. Or maybe you are basing this off price point.

RoundBadge · 13th July 2007, 06:29 AM

A Duality would be bitchen,but the investment part is pure unrealistic fantasy for me.
my world will have to revolve around a Neve 5316/Tonelux/C-24 rig..at least for now.
less than 60K.
kinda the poor mans version of what Thrill suggested..nonetheless,it sounds great.
and as soon as we get the [analog] moving faders for the whole mess..

thethrillfactor · 13th July 2007, 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 84K

What is it you like better about the early E's? I thought they made some pretty significant revisions from the early ones. Or maybe you are basing this off price point.

Its why i say the ideal SSL console doesn't really exist.

I love the sound of the early 80's E's dynamic channel comps, mix buss comp, aux channels and how the rails handle your signals. When it comes together right it just has its own magic that the later SSL's just don't have.

What i don't like are the line amps,mic amps and center section.

On the K's i like the automated small fader,extra aux sends,VCA groups,TR and the sound of the center monitoring section.

I haven't heard the duality yet but i bet the mic amps and line amps are probably the best they've made.

If SSL ever decided to make a "Franken SSL" console or a console made up of their greatest hits past & present it would be killer.

84K · 13th July 2007, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thethrillfactor

If SSL ever decided to make a "Franken SSL" console or a console made up of their greatest hits past & present it would be killer.

ABSOLUTELY!!

Unfortunately, when they made E's, and G's they were selling 1500, then J's were like 150, and K's were 50-60 made. The higher production numbers of the E's and g's allowed them to buy electronics in greater bulk, keeping the cost down per unit, allowing them to use the better parts. The lower production numbers of the later consoles caused higher cost per knob/switch/button/transformer/meters/etc. Which resulted in lesser quality. NOT SOUND per se, quality. No caps helped keep the building costs down I'm sure.

Jim@SSL · 13th July 2007, 10:14 AM

We sold quite a lot more K's than that...

bram · 13th July 2007, 11:51 AM

Yea, how much time untill the first pre-dbx vca channel dynamics clone?

bram

carlheinz · 13th July 2007, 10:47 PM

I'm sorry.Did I miss why the AWS900+ was ommited from the choices?
I think SSL has sold a few.

84K · 13th July 2007, 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carlheinz

I'm sorry.Did I miss why the AWS900+ was ommited from the choices?
I think SSL has sold a few.

True. That was my error.

on me

raal · 21st February 2008, 05:42 AM

of the consoles you mentioned i'd go with a large Duality if $ weren't an object, or a used K if budget were an issue. K would be more expensive in the long run, but has features Duality doesn't and vice versa.

for the poll i marked Duality but it really would depend on the particular situation.

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View Poll Results: WHICH SSL? BETWEEN E, G/G+, J/K, or Duality?
E Series	7	10.45%
G/G+	20	29.85%
J Series or K Series	4	5.97%
Duality	36	53.73%
Voters: 67. You may not vote on this poll

11th July 2007, 06:32 PM	#1
84K Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: right coast Posts: 3,810	SSL: What Would You Get POLL? SSL E, G/G+, J/K, or Duality? THis is a poll to see what everyone here would get for their room. Consider a good "E" can be had for 80k, a good G/G+ can be had for 100-150k, J's and K's range 175k-???(alot)k, and Duality is 350K. Now, be a slut, but try to think about recouping your investment. I am just interested in what the majority of gearsluts would get. This maybe fun, please don't flame, hate, or argue. We all have the right to our own opinions and no one is wrong.

11th July 2007, 08:31 PM	#4
mischa janisch Gear maniac Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 257	I'd look for a G+, black EQs, VU's, probably 48ch. no Plasmas, no Ultimation - that's easier in maintenance, no extra power supplies. Can be found for 60-80k EUR. I don't think anything else would 'recoup' where I live... __________________ Mischa Janisch Sunshine Mastering Studio Construction - Photo Diary

11th July 2007, 08:57 PM	#7
Sigma Lives for gear Join Date: May 2006 Location: phallicdelphia Posts: 2,586	i'd take the money saved and buy software and outboard gear..why live in the past? __________________ I believe that we have to content ourselves with our imperfect knowledge and understanding and treat values and moral obligations as a purely human problem - the most important of all human problems"....alberta weintsein "The notes I handle no better than many pianists. But the pauses between the notes, ah, that is where the art resides." Artur Schnabel http://www.myspace.com/miketarsia http://miketarsia.com

11th July 2007, 07:09 PM	#2
tINY Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Orygun Posts: 6,067	I kninda like the sound of a PB&J right now - should be about 350 cal. -tINY

11th July 2007, 07:12 PM	#3
narcoman Lives for gear Join Date: May 2007 Location: UK Posts: 2,083	duality for sure. next year if all goes well!!

11th July 2007, 08:44 PM	#5
PhilE Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,213	For my room a 40/48ch G+. Thats the classic SSL really and I need it to be small! But if Duality fitted then a used one when they are available as they have some apealing points!

11th July 2007, 08:51 PM	#6
sonicdefault Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: USA Posts: 1,213	Duality

11th July 2007, 09:13 PM	#8
Tony"CD"Kelly Gear nut Join Date: May 2007 Location: Jamaica/Florida Posts: 103	Duality , 48ch around $290,000.00 loaded.....Inna few years __________________ Tony "CD" Kelly of K..Licious Music Group KING OF THE DANCEHALL www.myspace.com/tonycdkelly http://www.tonycdkelly.com

11th July 2007, 09:52 PM	#9
thethrillfactor Gear Guru Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 11,238	The "investment recouping" SSL to me doesn't exist anymore. It would be strictly a luxury personal purchase. Not enough clients demand it anymore. Lately most of my higher paying clients are asking more to work more on classic consoles. Come to think of it the ideal SSL doesn't exist either.

12th July 2007, 11:05 PM	#13
zwaps Gear nut Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 144	I would get a good desk for that price that I can use recording but I could also use live (never know) so probably a good digital one. But the majority of 350k would be spend in room, mic and outboard. No matter how much I already own, because such a board is not worth it in my opinion.

13th July 2007, 02:53 AM	#14
84K Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: right coast Posts: 3,810	I love the G+!! Most of my favorite albums were mixed on them

13th July 2007, 06:29 AM	#19
RoundBadge Lives for gear Join Date: May 2004 Location: Los Angeles ,Ca. Posts: 5,979	A Duality would be bitchen,but the investment part is pure unrealistic fantasy for me. my world will have to revolve around a Neve 5316/Tonelux/C-24 rig..at least for now. less than 60K. kinda the poor mans version of what Thrill suggested..nonetheless,it sounds great. and as soon as we get the [analog] moving faders for the whole mess..

13th July 2007, 10:14 AM	#22
Jim@SSL Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 702	We sold quite a lot more K's than that...

13th July 2007, 11:51 AM	#23
bram Gear maniac Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Belgium-Spain-Belgium-Spain Posts: 164	Yea, how much time untill the first pre-dbx vca channel dynamics clone? bram

13th July 2007, 10:47 PM	#24
carlheinz Gear maniac Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 299	I'm sorry.Did I miss why the AWS900+ was ommited from the choices? I think SSL has sold a few.

21st February 2008, 05:42 AM	#26
raal Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: mexico Posts: 3,620	of the consoles you mentioned i'd go with a large Duality if $ weren't an object, or a used K if budget were an issue. K would be more expensive in the long run, but has features Duality doesn't and vice versa. for the poll i marked Duality but it really would depend on the particular situation.

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