Yamaha n Series

[Floid]

Thanks for reply

There is no PAD switch for 2TR

also the signal is just about 1% too hot. But when the meters go to red the sound is distorted. I tested this thoroughly by listening different cd's. I'm not sure if average listener can hear the distorted sound. But i guess every N8/N12 owner would here the distorted sound. I'm assuming N8/N12 users are above average listeners audiowise

-Floid

[mcmacguy]

Originally Posted by Floid

Thanks for reply

There is no PAD switch for 2TR

also the signal is just about 1% too hot. But when the meters go to red the sound is distorted. I tested this thoroughly by listening different cd's. I'm not sure if average listener can hear the distorted sound. But i guess every N8/N12 owner would here the distorted sound. I'm assuming N8/N12 users are above average listeners audiowise

-Floid

If there is no volume output control on the CD player, you'll have to use an external pad. Or another Cd player. If you're using a Mac you won't need an external player at all, not sure about Windows...

[mcmacguy]

Originally Posted by princey

Ok, I guess I should have read this post more thoroughly! on reading now I see that the n8/12 isn't yet supported so no wonder it doesn't work, wish I could have got my MBP with leopard installed as opposed to SL - I want to make some music!!!

Yeh Princey you're going to have to try the Leopard OS for now - hopefully your MacBook Pro isn't so new that it doesn't support it. If that's the case maybe you can beg, borrow, or rent a slightly older Mac until updates come around for 10.6.

Good luck

Mick

[Crandak]

I didn't know this thing existed until yesterday, I'm not a very good gearslut. I'm about an 8th of the way through this thread. I'm considering this, but would like some feedback first. Here's my current setup:
quad core pc
lynx 2a
motif rxs
motif es 6
cubase 5
2 uad 1's
ua 6176
peluso 2247... I also have a friends manley cardioid reference mic that's been laying around here a couple years now.
dave smith mopho
Tc m2000
ton of vst plugs

I currently don't have a mixer which means I can't use all my synths at the same time with only 4 ins on the lynx, (really tired of plugging and unplugging crap all the time) which led me to put money down on an onyx 820i, reading up on that led me to this creature.
I'm a songwriter and have no need to record more than an instrument at a time. 95 % of my time is spent writing, and the other 5 is spent on the frustration of being a total engineering noob.

This seems like a really elegant solution for someone who is primarily a musician, so I'm considering a couple scenarios.

1. Keep things as they are with the addition of the mackie to integrate all my synths, and the tc m2000.

2. Sell the 6176 and the lynx. Cancel the mackie and get the n12, and maybe a
uad 2 and the fatso.

3. Hold my breath for a few weeks until aes when the n16 whizbang mk2 is announced, or at namm in a few months.

If the Pre's, compressor, eq, and converters really sound that good I may consider it.

[princey]

Originally Posted by mcmacguy

Yeh Princey you're going to have to try the Leopard OS for now - hopefully your MacBook Pro isn't so new that it doesn't support it. If that's the case maybe you can beg, borrow, or rent a slightly older Mac until updates come around for 10.6.

Good luck

Mick

Yeah I tried to contact Yamaha to see if the drivers are gonna be along soon but I haven't heard anything yet (about 4 days ago!) I'll just have to get hold of a copy of leopard somehow, oh well cheers

[smoke]

Originally Posted by Aliks

Maybe some of you have the same concern as me : I don't understand the interest of digital summing within the N12 since my understanding was that the only interest in summing OTB was doing it analog and not digital. Or is the digital summing bus in the N12 better anyway than any DAW's summing algorithm ? I'm not sure this brings any added value, and since there is not way to add any analog outboard gear in the process on the inserts due to the lack of DA conversion, it leaves me wondering, but maybe I'm wrong ?

Thanks for any expert's confirmation.

The value is in the workflow vs working all ITB with a mouse. The N12 lets you stand up and mix with knobs in a more visceral way. The N12 EQ and unique comp are, imo not to be slept on for one moment. And it is still a multichannel i/o interface with options to connect anything you want conveniently. I even have mine routed out to a HT/audio system on control room B. I've got that coming back in, so I can record/analyze from the TV/radio, if I ever wanted to do that. I've got a tape deck going into the 2TR, so I can digitize old stuff. And it's just really a multi audio interface/digital mixer.

If you were looking for analog summing, I don't think you would want the N12.

But for something flexible, well built (all driver, software issues aside) at a decent price... it is a value for a certain audience. A nice sized audience! Did I say the N12 EQ and comp blow out most plug-ins?

[Lemontree]

Anyone done any reamping on the N12? if so how?

I'm guessing I'll need to go out the aux phones socket and back into a different channel

[smoke]

Originally Posted by Lemontree

Anyone done any reamping on the N12? if so how?

I'm guessing I'll need to go out the aux phones socket and back into a different channel

I have gone out the stereo out and back into 11/12 once or twice.

[Lemontree]

Originally Posted by smoke

I have gone out the stereo out and back into 11/12 once or twice.

while mixing all my channels are routed to the stereo outs, that's why I thought bussing a DI guitar track to the aux bus, tapping that back to a different amp then micing it to a new channel would work best.

Anyone with other ideas? I guess I'll just try it and see what happens...always the best way.

[Scardanelli]

Having problems using my N12 under Bootcamp on a MacBook Pro. Was using easily on my PC desktop, but have downsized to lappy. Works flawlessly in Mac mode, but cannot get it working in XP under Bootcamp. Have tried different combinations of start up (N12 off at boot, on etc etc ) but although the driver appears to have installed correctly, it does not light up in Cubase, and no sound is heard. The transport works though....bloody annoying, have a couple of legacy projects to remix in PC mode with plugins not available for MAC, any help greatly appreciated. Abouyt to uninstall and re-install again but otherwise...
Simon

[smoke]

Originally Posted by Lemontree

while mixing all my channels are routed to the stereo outs, that's why I thought bussing a DI guitar track to the aux bus, tapping that back to a different amp then micing it to a new channel would work best.

Anyone with other ideas? I guess I'll just try it and see what happens...always the best way.

Where are your stereo outs going? You are using them to monitor the mix or are you mixing into some outboard?

I haven't actually used the aux yet, haven't had a need for it, but I doubt you'd go out the aux phone jack, have you tried the stereo aux outs? Now I'm curious.

[Lemontree]

Originally Posted by smoke

Where are your stereo outs going? You are using them to monitor the mix or are you mixing into some outboard?

I haven't actually used the aux yet, haven't had a need for it, but I doubt you'd go out the aux phone jack, have you tried the stereo aux outs? Now I'm curious.

I think I have my stereo aux outs going to one of the channels of my headphone amp and the unbalanced stereo outs going to the other channel of it so I can give the tallent the CR mix or a different aux mix.

Thinking about it, I should probably feed the CR phones and AUX phones on the top of the N12 into the 2 channels of the headphone amp.

I've had the thing set up that long I forget what i/o's are on the back pannel.

[smoke]

Originally Posted by Lemontree

I think I have my stereo aux outs going to one of the channels of my headphone amp and the unbalanced stereo outs going to the other channel of it so I can give the tallent the CR mix or a different aux mix.

Thinking about it, I should probably feed the CR phones and AUX phones on the top of the N12 into the 2 channels of the headphone amp.

I've had the thing set up that long I forget what i/o's are on the back pannel.

Yeah, using the CR and aux for the phones should work. You'll have to set the aux in Cubase.

You also have the CR A/B/C if you arent working in 5.1, I don't know if you're already using all of them as monitoring.

[Lemontree]

Originally Posted by smoke

Yeah, using the CR and aux for the phones should work. You'll have to set the aux in Cubase.

You also have the CR A/B/C if you arent working in 5.1, I don't know if you're already using all of them as monitoring.

Dusted off the manual and had another look over it. 17 months I've been using this now and still learning new tricks with the routing options. Only last month did I realise I could set up the N12 AUX buss as a send in cubase. So say I had all my drum tracks grouped within cubase and sent to 11/12 on the N, I'd be using the aux send on channel 11/12 of the N to feed the drums to the tallent but if, say the bass player wanted more hihats in his cans, I'd feed the drummer the ST out mix to his cans and for the bass player getting the AUX feed in his cans I'd go into cubase and set up the N12 AUX as a send on the hihat channel and I could give him a blend of the whole kit from channel 11/12 plus a bit extra from the send on the hihat channel withing cubase and the drummer would still be getting his same ST mix. Pretty versatile.

I think I'll keep things hooked up as I have them for tracking but when it comes to mixing when I don't need the AUX for headphones I can just send the DI'd guitar to a channel, feed some out to the AUX and tap a line off the AUX phones output straight into a different amp and mic that to another channel. BRAINWAVE!!! as it's a stereo output I could use a splitter cable and feed TWO amps and mic both of them on to 2 new channels. Man that is REALLY usefull.

Don't know where I'd be without my N12.

Thanks Smoke, that little bounce around of ideas opened up thinkgs I'd never thought of before.

[Lemontree]

Originally Posted by smoke

I have gone out the stereo out and back into 11/12 once or twice.

Can't think of any reason why I'd need to do that as you can set up a track in cubase to record the Master ST out of the N12. That's the way I get everything down to 2 track after summing through the N12, but I'm now thinking I could go ST out and back into channels 1 & 2 and be able to use the inserts on CH 1 & 2 for an outboard master compressor

[ally]

My PC is using an Firewire Agere LFW3227 controller chip. According to specifications on Yamaha n8 website:


1394 Chip Set Compatible with n12/n8 IEEE1394 connection with "TOOLS for n"
- AGERE FW323-05
- AGERE FW323-06

According to LSI/AGERE website:

The LSI FW322 and FW323 are high-performance PCI bus-based open host controllers for implementations of IEEE 1394a compliant systems or devicesThe LSI FW322 and FW323 are high-performance PCI bus-based open host controllers for implementations of IEEE 1394a compliant systems or devices

I wondered if my chip is compatible or not since I often experience dropouts ?

Thank you for taking the time to respond to this

[Lemontree]

Originally Posted by ally

My PC is using an Firewire Agere LFW3227 controller chip. According to specifications on Yamaha n8 website:


1394 Chip Set Compatible with n12/n8 IEEE1394 connection with "TOOLS for n"
- AGERE FW323-05
- AGERE FW323-06

According to LSI/AGERE website:

The LSI FW322 and FW323 are high-performance PCI bus-based open host controllers for implementations of IEEE 1394a compliant systems or devicesThe LSI FW322 and FW323 are high-performance PCI bus-based open host controllers for implementations of IEEE 1394a compliant systems or devices

I wondered if my chip is compatible or not since I often experience dropouts ?

Thank you for taking the time to respond to this

If you've got a spare PCI slot I'd dump in a cheap FW card with the VT6306 chipset, mine cost £7.99 which is about $12. But another problem to check for dropouts could be trying to run the AISO sample rate too low.

I can get mine right down to 32 samples for tracking but usualy bump it up to 256 for mixing. Even if the AISO meter is reading low to half way I've seen it drop out when mixing at lower than 256 samples YMMV.

[Drumlea]

Hi George,

Have been delighted with my N12 so far. But I have a little problem. I've tried to search for a solution but no joy yet.

Here's the problem. I start a Cubase N12 multi channel recording template. I record my tracks. But if I create new tracks and route them to correct n12 channel, then try to record of a mixdown of the tracks most of the tracks do not come out on the mixdown. I've tried using N12-rec as the input to the mixdown track but no joy.

This only seems to happen if I add tracks to the existing N12 template.

Hope you haven't answered this before and obviously I'm new to DAW software.

Hope you can help,
Brian.

[pkorte]

Originally Posted by ally

My PC is using an Firewire Agere LFW3227 controller chip. According to specifications on Yamaha n8 website:


1394 Chip Set Compatible with n12/n8 IEEE1394 connection with "TOOLS for n"
- AGERE FW323-05
- AGERE FW323-06

According to LSI/AGERE website:

The LSI FW322 and FW323 are high-performance PCI bus-based open host controllers for implementations of IEEE 1394a compliant systems or devicesThe LSI FW322 and FW323 are high-performance PCI bus-based open host controllers for implementations of IEEE 1394a compliant systems or devices

I wondered if my chip is compatible or not since I often experience dropouts ?

Thank you for taking the time to respond to this

Hi
I have had same problems since I updated my system from dual Xeon to Dual Quadcore Xeon 64bit. My both systems have TI chipset. I think the problem will be found somewhere between 64 bit system - FW -and N12. My dropouts are not connected to performance / samples, and those are evident on both 32 bit and 64 bit cubase. Looks like Yamaha FW-chip recommendations are based on 32bit systems. I have tried also i7 based PC with 64bit system which worked quite well except cubase shutdown problem. I´ll try later this week PCI-e card which have native LSI PCI-e FW chip on it (most FW -chips are 32 bit PCI -chips) if it works better. My last pessimistic guess is that N12 is not originally 64bit compatible...but optimistic I will wait next yamaha 64 bit drivers... I´ll post If I have success with PCI-e FW card...

[ally]

I have replaced the on-board firewire chip by Dynex 2-Port FireWire 800 and 1-Port FireWire 400 PCIe Adapter with FW643 chip ...check it out at Dynex :: Products For Your Digital Life - Dynex 2-Port FireWire 800 and 1-Port FireWire 400 PCIe Adapter

and it solved my problems !!!!! ...for only $25 canadian

Originally Posted by pkorte

Hi
I have had same problems since I updated my system from dual Xeon to Dual Quadcore Xeon 64bit. My both systems have TI chipset. I think the problem will be found somewhere between 64 bit system - FW -and N12. My dropouts are not connected to performance / samples, and those are evident on both 32 bit and 64 bit cubase. Looks like Yamaha FW-chip recommendations are based on 32bit systems. I have tried also i7 based PC with 64bit system which worked quite well except cubase shutdown problem. I´ll try later this week PCI-e card which have native LSI PCI-e FW chip on it (most FW -chips are 32 bit PCI -chips) if it works better. My last pessimistic guess is that N12 is not originally 64bit compatible...but optimistic I will wait next yamaha 64 bit drivers... I´ll post If I have success with PCI-e FW card...

[pkorte]

Nice to hear! I`ll try Sunix PCI-e card with FW533 chip. Hope it works also..

[madtheory]

Originally Posted by Drumlea

Hi George,

Have been delighted with my N12 so far. But I have a little problem. I've tried to search for a solution but no joy yet.

Here's the problem. I start a Cubase N12 multi channel recording template. I record my tracks. But if I create new tracks and route them to correct n12 channel, then try to record of a mixdown of the tracks most of the tracks do not come out on the mixdown. I've tried using N12-rec as the input to the mixdown track but no joy.

This only seems to happen if I add tracks to the existing N12 template.

Hope you haven't answered this before and obviously I'm new to DAW software.

Hope you can help,
Brian.

George, I have the same issue on my Mac. If there's a solution, I'd love to know! I did it all by the book, but only one track gets recorded on the mixdown.

[rtownsend]

I don't think George is monitoring this thread regularly anymore. He stated this a few pages back.

[Stixxs]

Originally Posted by Lemontree

Here's a quick tune I managed to get finished after sorting out my N12 issues

All recorded through the N12 and mixed in Cubase 5 with a handful of UAD plugs....Just incase you're wondering what can be done with the N12 if you don't already own one.

Fantastic...Well done

[madtheory]

Originally Posted by rtownsend

I don't think George is monitoring this thread regularly anymore. He stated this a few pages back.

Thanks for the info, I missed that . Should probably PM him so... or try tech support...

[Drumlea]

Originally Posted by Tomás Mulcahy

Thanks for the info, I missed that . Should probably PM him so... or try tech support...

Likewise thanks for the heads up

[Anteater]

Anyone successful linking 2 n12's @96khz in windows? I have on
osx 10.4 & 10.5 But only 48khz and below on windows. Tried agere
Pcie and agere onboard chip no difference. Thanks

[Booster_Kitty]

Hi all, just bought an n12, partly because of the praise in this thread and partly because of George's assistance and enthusiasm.

It's on its way, but I forgot to find out if it will plug straight into and Australian 240v power plug. eek. Anyone able to tell me?

Cheers.

[rtownsend]

Originally Posted by Booster_Kitty

Hi all, just bought an n12, partly because of the praise in this thread and partly because of George's assistance and enthusiasm.

It's on its way, but I forgot to find out if it will plug straight into and Australian 240v power plug. eek. Anyone able to tell me?

Cheers.

I comes with a power adapter that converts to DC before going into the mixer, so I think worst case you'd have to find the correct power adapter for your area. I live in the U.S, and the power adapter is a PA-30, and it says it's for 120V 60Hz only. You may need to contact a Yamaha dealer.

Touring bands must deal with this stuff all the time. There's probably another solution that could do a conversion before you plug in the PA-30. Still, I'd talk with a Yamaha dealer if it doesn't come with the proper 240V adapter.

I'd assume there's a warranty issue.

[NiceMike]

Anyone here knows if the new IMAC (snow leopard) works with the N12?ive jus ordered one and lookin forward to linkin it up with my N12.

Thanks