Yamaha n Series

[coricidin12]

Are they going to stop supporting the product for those who have bought it? For example will there ever be a fix for the >4GB ram problem? Will there be support for windows 7? George, any word?

[Sherman90]

Hi everyone,

Posting this under the mother-thread per another member's advisement.

While waiting for a local music store to get back to me an offer I made on an n12, I walked into another shoppe and spotted a used Mackie Onyx 1620. I'd never heard of this unit before.

I'm an admitted, absolute neophyte when it comes to recording. I wanted the n12 because it seems like the ideal piece of kit to dive into the field and to start recording my solo work and the live improvisatory jam sessions of an experimental punk band I'm in. The n12 purportedly also sports some exceptional preamps, built in reverb, integration with Cubase, and overall high quality.

Buying the add-on Firewire interface for the Mackie aside, would somebody kindly explain to me the real, practical, hard-world differences between the n12 and the 1620/40 series? I still get the impression that the n12 is the "superior" unit (for my needs), but there are some things I just can't understand owing to my lack of experience/knowledge. For example, the 1620 has some extra AUX outputs that the n12 doesn't? What are these good for, exactly? The 1620 also records by "bypassing" the EQ, whereas the n12 doesn't?

Would anybody care to parse out the differences here? I'd be very grateful.

Cheers!

[animix]

Originally Posted by Sherman90

Hi everyone,

Posting this under the mother-thread per another member's advisement.

While waiting for a local music store to get back to me an offer I made on an n12, I walked into another shoppe and spotted a used Mackie Onyx 1620. I'd never heard of this unit before.

I'm an admitted, absolute neophyte when it comes to recording. I wanted the n12 because it seems like the ideal piece of kit to dive into the field and to start recording my solo work and the live improvisatory jam sessions of an experimental punk band I'm in. The n12 purportedly also sports some exceptional preamps, built in reverb, integration with Cubase, and overall high quality.

Buying the add-on Firewire interface for the Mackie aside, would somebody kindly explain to me the real, practical, hard-world differences between the n12 and the 1620/40 series? I still get the impression that the n12 is the "superior" unit (for my needs), but there are some things I just can't understand owing to my lack of experience/knowledge. For example, the 1620 has some extra AUX outputs that the n12 doesn't? What are these good for, exactly? The 1620 also records by "bypassing" the EQ, whereas the n12 doesn't?

Would anybody care to parse out the differences here? I'd be very grateful.

Cheers!

The N12 interfaces with Steinberg software in a way that the Mackie does not. If you're not using Steinberg Cubase or Nuendo, I would see no real advantage to the N12 over the Mackie board, except maybe the preamps and EQ section.

[vasikgreif]

Originally Posted by animix

The N12 interfaces with Steinberg software in a way that the Mackie does not. If you're not using Steinberg Cubase or Nuendo, I would see no real advantage to the N12 over the Mackie board, except maybe the preamps and EQ section.

Actually, I see huge difference - Mackie has 2 or 4 or 6 auxes, depending on model, that means it CAN be used live - only one aux on n12 is pretty limiting... Not sure about the sound quality and stability though, I have horrible experience with Mackie DXB and the whole Mackie technical support...

[suprafly]

Is anyone running 2 N12's, Cubase 5 and the new driver? I'm curious about the config...

[ally]

Quote:
Originally Posted by blackshoe
Is anyone having problems with Cubase 4 + n12 + Vista 64???


Just installed Vista64 + new driver, so I do not know if it is the new driver playing up or it is vista.

• One in 5 times I get no audio output from Cubase (fine from other programs like WMP) and the DAW remote controls don't do anything (lights work though).
• If I press play by mouse in Cubase the lights display on the n12 correctly but if I press stop or play etc on n12 nothing happens.
• Once it happens I have to reset computer to make it go back to normal.
• If I change the audio device in Cubase to ASIO direct X, the audio is fine, but switch back to Yamaha SB driver and problem still exists.
• Also... I keep getting audio drop-outs when watching videos in WMP & Jet Audio.

Anyone getting similar & solved or suggestions???

Vista 64 :: Q6600 :: 8gb Ram :: n12 :: Axiom 49 :: Nvidia 7800gt

Originally Posted by ally

I experienced the same problem as mentionned above......any clues on this issue ?

Thanks

Nobody else with that kind of problem ? I wish I could solve this thing so I could go back to work. Vista 64 + Cubase 5 + n8

[rtownsend]

Originally Posted by gurian1

Has anyone else found that with the new drivers the transport controls on the N will no longer work with other DAWS? I am so sad, I have used it with REAPER and Cakewalk for over a year with no issues at all. Any ideas?

Rob

Is this still true? Considering the N12...

[emdub123]

I purchased an N12 in late February and have been using it with Cubase 4.5.2. Had a few problems initially and none since I updated the drivers.

This really is a stable product in my experience and I would recommend it wholeheartedly to anyone.

The first four songs on my myspace page are all done with the N12, if you want a sound sample.

[grame99]

Originally Posted by emdub123

I purchased an N12 in late February and have been using it with Cubase 4.5.2. Had a few problems initially and none since I updated the drivers.

This really is a stable product in my experience and I would recommend it wholeheartedly to anyone.

The first four songs on my myspace page are all done with the N12, if you want a sound sample.

I agree - the new drivers have been utterly problem-free for me. A superbly flexible and superb sounding bit of kit. Last week my band rehearsed through it using a midi kits, pods etc. very nifty.

[John Eppstein]

Originally Posted by Geosync

1: The pre-amp are a great deal better.
2: We never discuss future products tutt

That wouldn't be difficult. Yamaha has never made a decent preamp. Or EQ, for that matter.

The new PreSonus StudioLive kicks this things ass. Better build quality as well. Better preamps, better EQ, more channels.

Don't buy Yamaha.

[soundrage]

Originally Posted by John Eppstein

That wouldn't be difficult. Yamaha has never made a decent preamp. Or EQ, for that matter.

The new PreSonus StudioLive kicks this things ass. Better build quality as well. Better preamps, better EQ, more channels.

Don't buy Yamaha.

Are you a pro?

[vasikgreif]

The PreSonus looks really much better equipped than the n12, but it costs much more too than the n12 - I actually bought my n12 for 650 USD on eBay... Not sure about the drivers and stability too...

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by John Eppstein

That wouldn't be difficult. Yamaha has never made a decent preamp. Or EQ, for that matter.

The new PreSonus StudioLive kicks this things ass. Better build quality as well. Better preamps, better EQ, more channels.

Don't buy Yamaha.

ACtually that's not accurate. The higher end mixers are use by top audio professionals all over the world. Many Many grammy and award winning recordings are mixed on Yamaha digital mixers. I don't believe you have heard the n12 and StudioLive side-by-side.

There is also a lot more to recording a project than channel count or specs. It's about workflow and staying focused on the vision that you start with early on in the process.

I'm not putting down any equipment (including my baby )

[Phaidon]

Originally Posted by Geosync

ACtually that's not accurate. The higher end mixers are use by top audio professionals all over the world. Many Many grammy and award winning recordings are mixed on Yamaha digital mixers. I don't believe you have heard the n12 and StudioLive side-by-side.

No need to defend Yamaha and N12 George.

Dont feed the....

[grame99]

Originally Posted by Phaidon

No need to defend Yamaha and N12 George.

Dont feed the....

Not really comparing like for like - the presonus thing is three times what i paid for my N12. it also has all those fiddly digital menu things - the beauty of the n12 is the straightforward one knob one function. The presonus looks more like an 02R or something - different ball game entirely. The N12 was designed for musicians foremost - and in that regard it's a superb piece of kit. Even now it still has the power to surprise and delight.

[John Eppstein]

What is all this bullshit about an overhyped yhardware manufacturer that has been ripping off its customers for 20 years, teamed with a software company thjat habitually lies to its customers and doesn't follew through on its promises?
F**K STEINAHA!!!!

There are far better solutions for a LOT less money.

Sonar.

PreSonus StudioOne/StudioLive

Reaper

others.......

The PreSonus StudioLive kicks the CRAP out of the pissant Yamaha! It costs slightly more, but it does SO MUCH more!

PreSonus

Don't support the ripoffs at Steinaha!

Yamaha = the sound of Japanese industry laughing at the Western World.

[grame99]

[QUOTE=John Eppstein;4345372]What is all this bullshit about an overhyped yhardware manufacturer that has been ripping off its customers for 20 years, teamed with a software company thjat habitually lies to its customers and doesn't follew through on its promises?
F**K STEINAHA!!!!

There are far better solutions for a LOT less money.

Sonar.

PreSonus StudioOne/StudioLive

Reaper

others.......

The PreSonus StudioLive kicks the CRAP out of the pissant Yamaha! It costs slightly more, but it does SO MUCH more!

A 24 channel neve costs more. A pro-tools HD system costs more. And i wouldn't call three times as much as 'slightly more'. You obviously have some animus towards the manufacturer rather than the product now that you're bringing up sequencing software. Maybe you should set up a 'I hate steinberg and yamaha' thread of your own rather than indulge in these cry-baby tantrums in the N12 thread. Just an idea.

[Phaidon]

Originally Posted by John Eppstein

Don't support the ripoffs at Steinaha!

I thought it was Yanberg!

[grame99]

Originally Posted by Phaidon

I thought it was Yanberg!

ah - it all makes sense now. john eppstein(berg) - obviously just another self-hating cubase user...

[soundrage]

Originally Posted by grame99

ah - it all makes sense now. john eppstein(berg) - obviously just another self-hating cubase user...

The internet is full of people making themselves look stupid

[Phaidon]

Originally Posted by grame99

ah - it all makes sense now. john eppstein(berg) - obviously just another self-hating cubase user...

WTF?

[grame99]

Originally Posted by Phaidon

WTF?

i was just gently teasing our anti steinberg/yamaha ranter mr eppstein...

[DSpec1]

I have nice outboard. And I know it's been discussed. I want to ask a really dumb question...

If I want to patch an outboard eq and compressor into the Stereo bus during mixdown on the N12, would I take a 1/4 inch cable from aux to one of the two stereo tracks on the n12? I mean physically patch from aux to 9/10 or 11/12?

I am so unfamiliar with how to do this.

I know I can patch in during mixdown for each track using the track insert, but I just want to patch my eq and compressor onto the '2 Bus' (stereo channel)..
Please help a dummy.

[coricidin12]

Does anyone here have the N12 working with Windows 7 64-bit? I'm getting an error message that says "driver failed to initialize? has anyone gotten around this?

[trock]

i am building a new PC and want to make sure the N12 works fine with vista ultimate 64 bit? anyone running that ok?

i am gearing up for windows 7 64 bit with this build, even though it appears the n12 does not work yet with W7

thanks

[sirthought]

Originally Posted by trock

i am building a new PC and want to make sure the N12 works fine with vista ultimate 64 bit? anyone running that ok?

i am gearing up for windows 7 64 bit with this build, even though it appears the n12 does not work yet with W7

thanks

Didn't you just buy a Mac this past year?

I have no knowledge, but a suspicion that the drivers aren't geared up for 64 bit yet. I doubt if they've hammered things out for Windows yet, as well.

[soundrage]

Originally Posted by trock

i am building a new PC and want to make sure the N12 works fine with vista ultimate 64 bit? anyone running that ok?

i am gearing up for windows 7 64 bit with this build, even though it appears the n12 does not work yet with W7

thanks

Won't there need to be a new driver for Win 7? There is a driver for Vista 64.

[coricidin12]

I'm trying to get the N12 going on a Vista 64 laptop with no success thus far and wondering if anyone could help. I followed all the install instructions and the driver seems to be working properly, but I'm getting no sound, neither from WDM or from Cubase 5 (64-bit). (N12 IS listed as a remote device in the Cubase device manager). The Cubase ready light on the N12 is not coming on. Sometimes it will flash on for a couple seconds but then quickly go away. Remote control section of the N12 does not work except for occasionally the play button will work.

I've tried both the onboard firewire (an 800 port) and a Belkin F5U505 express card, which is a 400 port. I know the N12 is working because I tried it on an XP system and everything working fine.

Comp is an HP Pavillion dv7 with Core2 Duo 2.8Ghz/4GB RAM/Vista x64. Any thoughts?

[trock]

yes i have a new, well old now MAC Pro 2.8 octo, and the n12 and C5 are rock solid on it so far

however i have the old Q6600 PC i built before that had some issue and i wanted to upgrade it with some components such as a new Mobo and I7 chip, Ram, HD's etc and thought i would try 64 bit on it while the MAC is still Leopard at 32 bit. that way i could keep up to speed on the 64 bit development and see how and where it goes

[mustream]

Originally Posted by DSpec1

I have nice outboard. And I know it's been discussed. I want to ask a really dumb question...

If I want to patch an outboard eq and compressor into the Stereo bus during mixdown on the N12, would I take a 1/4 inch cable from aux to one of the two stereo tracks on the n12? I mean physically patch from aux to 9/10 or 11/12?

I am so unfamiliar with how to do this.

I know I can patch in during mixdown for each track using the track insert, but I just want to patch my eq and compressor onto the '2 Bus' (stereo channel)..
Please help a dummy.

I'm having a similar problem.. I have a N8, and i know that one can use insert effects on channels 1 through 4, but What i would like to know, is if I can use for Example, a APHEX 204 exiciter on the WHOLE BOARD at once.. Like a main Insert or something. Which i notice that the N8 dosen't have.

Scenario ...
"have a N8.. Want to use the Exciter on ALL Channels from 1-8 using the AUX nobs on each Channel"..

Maybe this has been covered before, But i may have missed it, (And i apologize if it's an old question) But any help and assistance would be greatly appreciated....