Yamaha n Series

[Bondsong]

Hi grame99,

I have to agree with you on that. I will use my own template. They're easy enough to create.

I think Yamaha/Steinberg are missing out on a potentially great feature by not allowing us to assign these buttons to two different routing setups as opposed to the presets they've decided on. It would make switching between tracking and mixing much easier and very useful. I can't see how it would be very hard to implement but I'm not a computer programmer so who knows.

Cheers,
Frank

[Slave8]

So, I may have missed this in all the pages but if it has been addressed please forgive me if it has already been ansered.

If I wanted to get an N12 to use with my Macbook Pro would I have to install all the drivers for it to work? Or can I use it with Logic out of the box just by plugging it in like I have done with other interfaces? 12 in 12 out firewire.

Are the drivers for the Cubase interaction or are they required for the board to work as an interface with my Mac?

[Lemontree]

Originally Posted by mustream

HI all. George. It's been a while. Just read the last couple pages of the forum. George congrats on the new position man.! Sweet!....

Haven't upgraded to the new drivers as yet, but working heavily with my Dual n8's and have absolutely no problem. Well.......... maybe just one...

And this comes more of a wish than anything else. See, the thing is, I mix ALOT of songs on my n8's but, after the recording sessions i have to manually take note of all the mixer/fader settings, and sometimes i use all 16 channels.. So it kinda becomes a drag, so i was wondering/hoping/wishing/ if there's possible some type of workaround that can be had??

May sound like a dumb question, knowing the fact that the n8's don't have automation or anything like that, but just wondering how you guys deal with that?
As I was accustomed to mixing ITB (and just saving settings) before I got the N8's yuh know?

Anyways, Any ideas guys? maybe a special software that could take a digital snap shot of the faders or something? .....

I was thinking that the sweetspot manager could download into the n8 and change settings and what not/ maybe another type or similar software could do something like that but just to like print the settings on the mixer faders to a word doc/PDF or something?

Just wondering....

like someone already suggested, digi camera and save the snapshot in the project folder. I used to pencil in the track sheet, scan it and save it in the project folder..the camera was a welcome addition to the studio

[rulllz]

he all,

loaded up "easy limiter" to the N12. Want to use it for a recording this monday. Still am confused how to use it:

- how do I find out what the A, B, C and D settings are?
- the "drive" knob set the amount of compression/limiting, but what about the threshold? with limiting this is importand (stil clipping occurs)
- what about this library? I can't seem to find it... perhaps there lies the answer to my questions..

Enjoy all!

[muso36]

Originally Posted by muso36

Hi Brian, Thanks for the helpful advice. I have tried many things to solve this - changed graphics card, bought and installed another firewire card, changed firewire cable and this morning tried the new card in my sons vista computer none of which has made much difference. The audio dropouts are so bad that changing the buffer size does not help. Yamaha support has advised me to get the unit changed so it is boxed up ready for pickup tomorrow (today now its late!). The sp3 issue is interesting as I thougth it was confined to firewire 800? Running the N12 on the vista computer should rule that out I would have thought? I don't fancy de-boxing the N12 now its ready to send. I hope in one way that it is faulty and the replacement solves the problem, I will have egg on my face otherwise although I think I have tried extremely hard to get it working. I will let you know how things work out. Bob

Good news everyone! Replacement N12 has arrived.
Bad news is I still have the same audio dropouts as before. Yamaha support advised upgrading to latest drivers and tools, but this has if anything made matters worse. Yamaha are going to get the unit back to them and set it up with a working system to check if its the N12 or my computer. Here are my computer specs..... if anyone can spot any potential issues feel free to chip in.
Gigabyte GA-EP43-DS3, iP43 Express with recommended TI TSB43AB23 chipset.
OCZ 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2 800MHz/PC6400 Titanium Memory CL4(4-4-4-15) - LiteOn LH-20A1H 20x DVD±RW-RAM DL Lightscribe IDE Int Black
Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 G0 Stepping (2.4GHz 1066MHz) Socket 775 L2 8MB Cache (2x4MB (4MB per core pair) Retail Boxed Processor - Qty: 1
Western Digital WD2500AAKS Caviar SE 250GB 7200RPM SATAII/300 16MB
Windows xp sp3 32bit

[clicker]

Originally Posted by clicker

Hi guys! Newbie here, need some advise :)

I've been using Yamaha n12 for about 6 months now, really like it, but sometime I got problem with recording. The recording sometime chopped up, the recording randomly stops for a few seconds, and then continue again
This problem happened even though I only record 1 channel. I record in 24b / 96kHz.

The notebook I use is HP dv7-1022TX
Windows Vista® Home Premium SP1 32-bit
Intel® Centrino® 2 processor technology
• Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor T9400
• 2.53 GHz , Level 2 cache 6 MB, 1066 MHz Front Bus Speed
RAM: 3072 MB
Internal drives: 500 GB (2 x 250 GB)
Hard disk drive speed: 5400 rpm

Since it has dual hard drive, the project folder is on the second drive, the drive without OS. It think this way the hard drive is dedicated for the audio streaming, not affected by the OS activity.

I've turned of other application including anti virus during recording, set the buffer to max, 2048 samples, but the problem is still there. I also tried using faster 7200 rpm hard drive for the audio file, connected via eSATA, but the problem was not solved.

The firmware version of the n12:
IEEE1394 Firmware V105
mLAN Tools mLAN Driver v1.6.3

and Cubase AI 4.5.2.274

Any idea what could be the problem? Anything to do with bad Firewire interface? Any recommendation for the mLan driver setup CPU requirement (Low / Medium / High) ?

Thank you!

Hi guys, any help for my problem ??? :(

[Raymondina]

Hi,
I just brought a used n8 that I am trying to set up. I can't any sound from DAW to n8 or vice versa. Also, the Daw Remote Control section of the n8 i totally dead (no lights).

Here's what I did:
1. Installed Cubase AI + update to 4.5.2 downloaded from Steinberg.
2. Installed IEEE1394 Firmware Updater V107 (previous version was 1.03 if remeber correctly)
3. Installed n Firmware Updater V103
4. Installed win tools for n v200 (confirmed installation OK - got the correct entries in the Device Manager)
Just to check, I set the windows sound default device to Steinberg FW WDM Audio. When I tried to play some music from Windows Media Player I got:
"Windows Media Player cannot play the file because there is a problem with your sound device. There may not be a sound device installed on your computer, it may be in use by another program, or it may not be functioning properly."
I opened the demo project in Cubase AI. No sound, non of the VU-meters are even moving. However, the 5 transport buttons works but non of the other buttons in the Daw remote Control section are lit.

Gear:
Dell Latitude D820
TI-based PCMCIA FW adapter
Win XP (32-bit) sp3
Any ideas?

Regards / Mattias

[White Falcon]

Check that you have selected the Yamaha as your ASIO in Cubase. Also, try to check the "Release drivers in the background" box in the device set-up menu i Cubase.

[soundrage]

Originally Posted by Raymondina

Hi,
I just brought a used n8 that I am trying to set up. I can't any sound from DAW to n8 or vice versa. Also, the Daw Remote Control section of the n8 i totally dead (no lights).

Here's what I did:
1. Installed Cubase AI + update to 4.5.2 downloaded from Steinberg.
2. Installed IEEE1394 Firmware Updater V107 (previous version was 1.03 if remeber correctly)
3. Installed n Firmware Updater V103
4. Installed win tools for n v200 (confirmed installation OK - got the correct entries in the Device Manager)
Just to check, I set the windows sound default device to Steinberg FW WDM Audio. When I tried to play some music from Windows Media Player I got:
"Windows Media Player cannot play the file because there is a problem with your sound device. There may not be a sound device installed on your computer, it may be in use by another program, or it may not be functioning properly."
I opened the demo project in Cubase AI. No sound, non of the VU-meters are even moving. However, the 5 transport buttons works but non of the other buttons in the Daw remote Control section are lit.

Gear:
Dell Latitude D820
TI-based PCMCIA FW adapter
Win XP (32-bit) sp3
Any ideas?

Regards / Mattias

Not sure if this will help but check out post 2522 here.....
Yamaha n Series

[Raymondina]

Hi again,
thanks for quick replies. I just tried the n8 on an old computer with a PCI fw adapter. It works . I was first worried that I had broken the n8 during the firmware update but now I know that the problem is in the other end of the fw-cable; my PCMCIA fw adapter, my laptop or its drivers and OS.

I know that there is some communication between the computer and the n8 since the 5 location buttons are working in Cubase AI. Does this mean that my PCMCIA card is working? The fw adapter I use is http://www.exitdata.se/exit/prodinfo.asp?id=95 (site language is Swedish however). I've been using it with Mackie Onyx Satellite with no problems before.

Is XP sp3 the problem? The older computer has sp2.

Any other ideas?

Regards / Mattias

[petrovinksy]

pretty sure i read that sp3 cripples firewire, not sure how to fix that though.

[Raymondina]

Hi,
my n8 is now fully working. Uninstalling WinXP SP3 did it.

Thanks a lot for your help.

Regards / Mattias

[nik nak]

Hello all,

more issues - this time im trying to add n12 audio channels to older cubase .cpr files that were made before i bought my n12.

If i go to device setup > VST Audio System > Yamaha steinberg FW, all the states are inactive (apart from I/O In - N12 Direct Out 9 & 10, for some reason?? and the I/O out - Monitor L & R, of course)

Is it possible to make any of these 'active', as simply clicking on them does nothing!??!

Thanks ;)

[muso36]

Just thought I would try a new install of Windows sp2 32bit after reading the last post but alas it has not cured the audio dropouts. Boxed up and sent back to Yamaha to be tested on a computer with similar configuration. I have not had a working N12 since my order 8 weeks ago. Fed up!

[Cinemuso]

Originally Posted by d3man

Just to pass by and recommend:

People, get Cubase 5 and get all the software updates-for n12/8 AND Cubase (5.0.1)

Everything will be smooth going!

I had n12 since october 2007. and it never worked soo good!

+1 here too (using the n8). Very smooth now.

[Flyingossip]

i'm using yamaha N8 and windows xp SP2. my question is:

1. why the driver always stopped? i always have to restart over and over

2. can anybody guided me how to install step by step the latest driver? i'm confused of firmware,driver,tools for n.

[DSpec1]

really quick question as a I am considering purchasing a higer0quality ad converter.

Can a Lucid A/D converter be used in the following way?:

Preamp(s) to converter to N12 insert?

I have a Neve Portico, UA 610 MK II, SSL Mynx bundle etc. other external compressors

I want to ensure that I am getting the most from this great outboard. I know the N12's converters are good, but I was looking at a Lucid or Mytek...

[mkok]

Download the latest driver and go through the pdf supplied. If you follow it word for word you can not go wrong. Make sure you also download the firmware for the firewire interface and the desk firmware

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by DSpec1

really quick question as a I am considering purchasing a higer0quality ad converter.

Can a Lucid A/D converter be used in the following way?:

Preamp(s) to converter to N12 insert?

I have a Neve Portico, UA 610 MK II, SSL Mynx bundle etc. other external compressors

I want to ensure that I am getting the most from this great outboard. I know the N12's converters are good, but I was looking at a Lucid or Mytek...

The convertors are probably nearly the same but that's a matter of opinion

Maybe somebody besides me will give their opinion.

[muso36]

Originally Posted by muso36

Just thought I would try a new install of Windows sp2 32bit after reading the last post but alas it has not cured the audio dropouts. Boxed up and sent back to Yamaha to be tested on a computer with similar configuration. I have not had a working N12 since my order 8 weeks ago. Fed up!

Hi everyone. It seems the N12 is not faulty - as I had feared! Yamaha support have been great but I now have a computer problem that has become a nightmare. I have ordered a belkin firewire card as this seems to be the audio industry standard. Suggestions anyone? .......... Anyone?

[Groberts]

How do the Preamps and Converters in the Yamaha N Series compare to the Apogee Duet / Ensemble? Has anyone ever compared them directly?

[andrew caramia]

Originally Posted by Geosync

As I said before I wanted to write some user guides for the n12 with outboard gear.

Here is my short list, remember if it gets too specific it will get too long and
take me forever to complete

1: Using an Analog Mic Pre/EQ/Comp while tracking
2: Using external FX while mixing
3: Using Stereo Mastering FX to DAW Stereo Track
4: Using Stereo Mastering FX to an External 2 Track
4: Using Cubase's External FX sends and returns

george, this is what i've been waiting for. i havent purchased a n12 yet, but if this guide ever happens it will be the deciding point for myself and a few other guys i know. bring it on!

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by andrew caramia

george, this is what i've been waiting for. i havent purchased a n12 yet, but if this guide ever happens it will be the deciding point for myself and a few other guys i know. bring it on!

Sorry Andrew,

There just isn't any time with my new my new responsibilities.
Maybe collectively you guys can combine those points you've shared here into some
helpful document.

[BrianR]

Originally Posted by muso36

Hi everyone. It seems the N12 is not faulty - as I had feared! Yamaha support have been great but I now have a computer problem that has become a nightmare. I have ordered a belkin firewire card as this seems to be the audio industry standard. Suggestions anyone? .......... Anyone?

Hi muso36,

I read on a Steinberg forum that it is suggested that "Intel Speed Step Technology" (also known as EIST in some BIOS's I think) should be turned off.
This feature apparantly allows the operating system to continually vary the speed of the CPU depending on what it thinks the most resulting economical power saving might be and this has been suggested as a possible cause of audio dropouts on Steinberg's MR816 audio interfaces (google Intel Speedstep Technology Steinberg).
Not sure if this would have anything to do with it but perhaps worth a try in the meantime,

Brian

[muso36]

Originally Posted by BrianR

Hi muso36,

I read on a Steinberg forum that it is suggested that "Intel Speed Step Technology" (also known as EIST in some BIOS's I think) should be turned off.
This feature apparantly allows the operating system to continually vary the speed of the CPU depending on what it thinks the most resulting economical power saving might be and this has been suggested as a possible cause of audio dropouts on Steinberg's MR816 audio interfaces (google Intel Speedstep Technology Steinberg).
Not sure if this would have anything to do with it but perhaps worth a try in the meantime,

Brian

Hi Brian, Thanks very much for this. Unfortunately it has not helped.
I also tried some different ram in the pc today and have flashed the bios but this has not made any difference either. Steve from the support line has indicated that the Yamaha r & d are on the case as there is another customer with the same issue. Apparently his is a home built pc as well.
The firewire irq is a lowly no. 23 and is also allocated to one of the usb's as well. Not sure if this might make a difference but I am going to investigate. Bob

[johnnyz]

I cannot for the life find where the free loops are ,i am on a mac jz

[muso36]

Originally Posted by muso36

Hi Brian, Thanks very much for this. Unfortunately it has not helped.
I also tried some different ram in the pc today and have flashed the bios but this has not made any difference either. Steve from the support line has indicated that the Yamaha r & d are on the case as there is another customer with the same issue. Apparently his is a home built pc as well.
The firewire irq is a lowly no. 23 and is also allocated to one of the usb's as well. Not sure if this might make a difference but I am going to investigate. Bob

Hi Brian and everyone. Fitted the new belkin firewire card (exactly the same chipset as the motherboard!) and it works with no dropouts! Go figure that one! I am not sure what that tells us, but all the research looking for the right motherboard seems to have been a waste of time. My advice to anyone would be to add the firewire with the belkin card and play safe.

[bikegerm]

Hey there everyone. I recently purchased a new macbook pro 2.66ghz intel core 2 duo with 4 gb of ram. I also purchased a small ProTools LE8 Mbox 2 Profactory bundle. I've been happy with my N12 Cubase 4.5.2 setup but I was curious as to how my N12 would interface with L8E. Anyone have any experience with this? Can I replace the Mbox with the N12 and have it be my interface? Would this give me 16 in's/out's if I installed the Yamaha Steinberg FW driver? I must say the editing interface in ProTools is much easier than in Cubase.

If the N12 doesn't work with ease like it does with cubase, is there a way I could record in cubase, xfer the files to ProTools where I'll comp, tune, etc... then xfer them back to cubase to mix?

Thanks for the insights.....

Randy LeRoy

[johnnyz]

you can not use the n-12 as a interface for protools,but you can record your tracks in cubase and then import them into protools for mixing,editing and whatnot,i do it all the time.jz

[Blister]

Hey guys. I've owned the N12 for about a year now, and it's been fanfreekintastic, right up until I installed Vista. :)

D-loaded all the new MLAN tools etc. Everything installed ok, but I'm not getting any sound and auto connector does not find the device, nor does graphic patchbay. Have also installed the new firewire driver, which seems to recognise the N12 no probs.

Also updated the firmware on the N12. Seemed to be no issues... until now!

Any thoughts?

Cheers.

Jim