Yamaha n Series

[Bondsong]

Thanks for the data Terence. I checked the block diagram in the manual and there appears to be a head amp on the stereo inputs so you're right, it would be an extra, unnecessary gain stage. I'll probably try it here when I get the N12 anyway just to see what kind of result I get.

It would be great if Yamaha built an 8 channel converter with no pre-amps that could be daisy-chained with the N12's Firewire for people who want to record more tracks at the same time but have their own pre amps. It would be real nice with inserts too. If the converters are as good as people say it would be a great addition to the line.

Cheers,
Frank

[muso36]

Originally Posted by BrianR

Hi Muso36,

Just a thought, but I note you have applied SP3, there were some problems associated with that, where firewire speed was reduced, there is info about that by googling for 'XP SP3 Firewire' or have a look at If you have hotfix 885222 applied on a Windows XP SP2-based computer, and then you upgrade to Windows XP SP3, an installed 1394b FireWire device reverts from S400 speed to S100

I am running Vista64 but I can simulate dropouts by reducing the asio buffer size to around 96 (I have it set a 256 in the YSFW driver control panel), maybe buffer size is too low? Or an IRQ conflict (or video card driver issue re. screen flicker?)

Brian

Hi Brian, Thanks for the helpful advice. I have tried many things to solve this - changed graphics card, bought and installed another firewire card, changed firewire cable and this morning tried the new card in my sons vista computer none of which has made much difference. The audio dropouts are so bad that changing the buffer size does not help. Yamaha support has advised me to get the unit changed so it is boxed up ready for pickup tomorrow (today now its late!). The sp3 issue is interesting as I thougth it was confined to firewire 800? Running the N12 on the vista computer should rule that out I would have thought? I don't fancy de-boxing the N12 now its ready to send. I hope in one way that it is faulty and the replacement solves the problem, I will have egg on my face otherwise although I think I have tried extremely hard to get it working. I will let you know how things work out. Bob

[BrianR]

Hi Bob,

Yes, I would agree with you that running on the Vista computer should rule out the SP3 issue, hope you are not without your n12 for too long

Brian

[SochiTag]

Hello,

I need some Mac help.

I have an N12 which I had updated to the latest drivers and firmware etc.


Unfortunately, since I did this last week, I've had an unrelated issue with my Mac and had to reformat the hard drive!

Now, I've looked at Yamaha's site for drivers and it appears to have changed!

I'm also unsure which elements of all the downloads I need to apply now.

At the moment I don't appear to have a firewire driver in my top bar of my Mac, although I have installed Tools for n V2?

Can someone tell me what I'm missing and where the driver is?

Thank you for your help,

SochiTag

[soundrage]

Originally Posted by SochiTag

Hello,

I need some Mac help.

I have an N12 which I had updated to the latest drivers and firmware etc.


Unfortunately, since I did this last week, I've had an unrelated issue with my Mac and had to reformat the hard drive!

Now, I've looked at Yamaha's site for drivers and it appears to have changed!

I'm also unsure which elements of all the downloads I need to apply now.

At the moment I don't appear to have a firewire driver in my top bar of my Mac, although I have installed Tools for n V2?

Can someone tell me what I'm missing and where the driver is?

Thank you for your help,

SochiTag

Wow, they really have changed it...

I found the driver here
Drivers and Software | Downloads | Yamaha Synth.com

[gurian1]

Has anyone else found that with the new drivers the transport controls on the N will no longer work with other DAWS? I am so sad, I have used it with REAPER and Cakewalk for over a year with no issues at all. Any ideas?

Rob

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by Bondsong

Just to ask again while I wait for my N12 to arrive......

Is it possible to use one of the stereo line inputs on the N12 as inputs from a stereo mic pre? I think in Cubase I can configure the stereo input channel to two mono channels. I can do this with my Layla 24 so I'm pretty sure it would work with the N12. The reason I'm asking is I want to have more mic pre's into the N12. Is there some reason why this won't work?

Thanks for your time,
Frank

Yes it's exactly as you assume.

[SochiTag]

Originally Posted by soundrage

Wow, they really have changed it...

I found the driver here
Drivers and Software | Downloads | Yamaha Synth.com

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I'm really fed up ... on the page: Drivers and Software | Downloads | Yamaha Synth.com

is says - for more detailed information, please read Software Installation in "UpdateGuide_en.pdf".

Anyone know where this PDF is located?

Is there not a simple step by step guide for installation?

[muso36]

Originally Posted by SochiTag

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I'm really fed up ... on the page: Drivers and Software | Downloads | Yamaha Synth.com

is says - for more detailed information, please read Software Installation in "UpdateGuide_en.pdf".

Anyone know where this PDF is located?

Is there not a simple step by step guide for installation?

Hi, I was browsing the revamped site last night and found it here at

the bottom right of the page ....

Manuals | Downloads | Yamaha Synth.com

It is all a bit confusing although I think the new site helps make things a little more understandable. Regards, Bob

[SochiTag]

I'm no closer as the document doesn't have info about the new driver?

[ScottFreeStyle]

Im thinking of upgrading to Cubase 5, how are people geting on with 5 and the N12

[mkok]

N12 working fine with Cubase 5 here. The document you are after is in the tools 2 download and not seperate. Unzip the file and all the pdf's are there. The same goes for the firmware downloads as well.

I upgraded mine which is a brand new replacement last night. I followed the pdf exactly and it went smooth without a single hitch. Just make sure you have everytnig ready and all files unzipped and in folders as described in each pdf and follow the main one through which is in the tools 2 download.

This upgrade to the drivers and firmware does really need you to read the pdf though. This can not be done by guessing and double clicking exe files and hoping for the best. It won't work.

[SochiTag]

Originally Posted by SochiTag

I'm no closer as the document doesn't have info about the new driver?

I think I've got it working again!

[trock]

I think we really need our own Nseries.com website/forum or something and catalog all kinds of different setups and uses with pics, how to's, things to look out for etc

i wonder how many Nseries people are out ther

[terence]

Has anyone else found the following issue with the new FW drivers? if I switch off the N12 while working in Cubase AI4 and then later turn it on again, I loose my Cubase Ready connection (I do get the ASIO reconnect dialog come up, that's not the issue - I can record). Not only that, the transport starts acting goofy, Cubase eventually freezes up, so I end up having to close it and re-open the project.

With the old drivers I could take break from a session, turn off the n12 overnight or whatever, flick it back on the next day, the ready light comes back on, and carry on working. I thought that was pretty cool.

Bottom line seems to be - with the new drivers Cubase can't handle having the board turned on and off.

-Terence

[sirthought]

Originally Posted by trock

I think we really need our own Nseries.com website/forum or something and catalog all kinds of different setups and uses with pics, how to's, things to look out for etc

i wonder how many Nseries people are out ther

What sort of layout/setup would you see for a useful website like this?
I might be up for such a project if others would help maintain the content.
I'm certainly not a recording expert, but I could look into laying out a site.

[soundrage]

Originally Posted by sirthought

What sort of layout/setup would you see for a useful website like this?
I might be up for such a project if others would help maintain the content.
I'm certainly not a recording expert, but I could look into laying out a site.

I started up the Yahoo users group and it has 62 members. George and I have placed some files there but it's just not the same as a website, especially one that would have a forum too and not the email listserver thing like Yahoo.

I'd be happy to help where I could.

[ScottFreeStyle]

Wow I think Ive had one of those Doh moments...

I have been playing with the idea of upgrading to Cubase 5 and today finally decided that I was going to.

I have made all the relevant back ups so I can drop my files into C5 without too much of a problem, and I wiped my macbook, I wanted a fresh install.

Now having read threads on the Cubase net forums, it appears that Cubase 5 does not like OSX at all, so it appears that I may have to stick with AI for the minute.. what a waste of time...!!

I have registered on Cubase.net but have not been sent the actication Email yet, so... do any of you guys here run C5 on OSX... I only bought the mac because I was having problems with the earlier driver issues!! :(

[Lemontree]

Originally Posted by sirthought

What sort of layout/setup would you see for a useful website like this?
I might be up for such a project if others would help maintain the content.
I'm certainly not a recording expert, but I could look into laying out a site.

I check this thread daily just to see if \i can help any fellow users. I'd be more than happy to help out, do what I can with a dedicated N12 user website.

[dylpickl]

Originally Posted by mkok

I now know why it is taking me so long to get my replacement n12. There are none in the country. My n12 went for repair the week after new year and they decided to replace it. Trouble is I still haven't got the replacement. The shop PMT have eventually lent me an interface but I can not belive that Yamaha have no plan if they have to replace a faulty unit. End of March I have been qouted!! It is a good job I don't do this for a living

I need to send my n12 to Yamaha. Most likely for a replacement. Anyone know the current turnaround time to receive a replacement. Hopefully, it's still not taking months. In my opinion, they should be able to turn one around in a week.

[Cinemuso]

Hi - a quick question:
I've run the 64bit firmware on my n8 - so far so good. Works fine on Cubase 5 64bit - doesnt on Cubase 5 32 bit.

Is this permanent? Ie: I can never use this unit in a 32 bit environment? Doesnt matter so much for now - but, well its not very versatile if thats the case.

cheers!

[kire]

I currently have one N12 and I’m about to buy either another N12 or an MR816 X (the N12 would be just a little bit more expensive than the MR816).

After reading and asking questions here I’ve got a pretty good understanding of how two N12s would work together, seems like a quite nice setup (16+ channels OTB mix). The MR816 on the other hand would complement the N12 in a nice way, portability, digital io etc.

One simple question, with an N12 and a MR816, how would I do zero latency monitoring, there’s no other way but to send a mix of the inputs of the MR816 to some inputs on the N12 using cables and take it from there, right?

So now I just need to make up my mind on what to buy, any help is welcome :-)

[mkok]

Originally Posted by dylpickl

I need to send my n12 to Yamaha. Most likely for a replacement. Anyone know the current turnaround time to receive a replacement. Hopefully, it's still not taking months. In my opinion, they should be able to turn one around in a week.

If your in the UK it should not be too bad now as they are due a batch on the 14th April I think. I have actually got a new one back now which is working fine. Someone had one waiting for them but never picked it up. Must be the credit crunch as the price for an N12 in the uk has gone up by a 3rd!!

[Phaidon]

Originally Posted by mkok

Must be the credit crunch as the price for an N12 in the uk has gone up by a 3rd!!

It has to do mostly with the ever shrinking sterling £ !

[Lemontree]

Originally Posted by Cinemuso

Hi - a quick question:
I've run the 64bit firmware on my n8 - so far so good. Works fine on Cubase 5 64bit - doesnt on Cubase 5 32 bit.

Is this permanent? Ie: I can never use this unit in a 32 bit environment? Doesnt matter so much for now - but, well its not very versatile if thats the case.

cheers!

As far as I'm lead to believe the firmware in the 32bit and 64bit tools for N V2 are the same. If you want to run it with 32bit cubase you'll need to instal the 32 bit steinberg extensions

[thesteam]

Hello,
Can anyone direct me to a forum of folks using the n12 with Sonar/Cakewalk?

Thanks,
Douglas

[trock]

I think we should have a website called

www.yamahanseries.com


then split it into an N8 and N12 section

in each section would be links to drivers and manuals, or we could host them if we are allowed

then i would have different setups photographed and catalog'd with step by step instructions and how'to's

anything and everything in how people are using these

then i would attach a phpbb forum to the site

something easy to use etc

hell who knows, if you are good at websites and there are a few thousand members maybe you could do some ad's to help pay for it, or i would charge each person who has a n series say 25 bucks a year maybe? goes to site maint. and allows it to be semi closed to spammers etc?

if i was any good at websites i would have done this by now, but as this product grew as did this blog here i always thought the info should be organized and corelated, maybe with yamaha if it got big enough.

i think this would be a great place for us who have these products int eh years to come

[Cinemuso]

Originally Posted by Lemontree

As far as I'm lead to believe the firmware in the 32bit and 64bit tools for N V2 are the same. If you want to run it with 32bit cubase you'll need to instal the 32 bit steinberg extensions

Ah - cool, thanks I'll give it a go.

[Randall]

Originally Posted by trock

I think we should have a website called

www.yamahanseries.com


then split it into an N8 and N12 section

in each section would be links to drivers and manuals, or we could host them if we are allowed

then i would have different setups photographed and catalog'd with step by step instructions and how'to's

anything and everything in how people are using these

then i would attach a phpbb forum to the site

something easy to use etc

hell who knows, if you are good at websites and there are a few thousand members maybe you could do some ad's to help pay for it, or i would charge each person who has a n series say 25 bucks a year maybe? goes to site maint. and allows it to be semi closed to spammers etc?

if i was any good at websites i would have done this by now, but as this product grew as did this blog here i always thought the info should be organized and corelated, maybe with yamaha if it got big enough.

i think this would be a great place for us who have these products int eh years to come

Great idea.. maybe Yamaha could even sponsor it.. might take some of the workload off their support staff.. they probably already have the server as well

[kire]

This is no change in the future direction of the N8/N12, right?

From the N8/N12 FAQ on the new yamahasynth site

Q7: Can two n12 or n8 units be connected to a computer to provide extra input capacity?

A7: The n-series interfaces are designed for one-on-one use with a computer. The connection of multiple units for increased capacity is not supported.