Yamaha n Series

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by pacef8

Hi there , i have got my hands on a n8 , i downloaded the driver as recommended, installed cubase which is giving me grief on registration, the two will still not talk via firewire.

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Hi Pace,

Rather than taking you step by step here on the forum, lets go PM and we'll get you going.

I'll send you a PM with the 1st basic questions

[soundrage]

George,

I’m still looking at the possibility of picking up an N12.

In looking at the block diagram it looks like the best way to connect an external preamp is to use an insert. The insert is right before the A/D so there would be no coloration coming from the N12 correct? Except the signal then goes through the compressor and EQ. I know to avoid EQ you would have to zero it out but what about the compressor? On some things I would want to use the compressor but not on everything. I am quite sure I will like the on board pre’s but I recently was able to track a vocal through a Brent Averill 1272. I like some of them vintage type sounds you get from a 1073 or 1272 but would still use the N12 pre’s for a lot of things.

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by soundrage

George,

I’m still looking at the possibility of picking up an N12.

In looking at the block diagram it looks like the best way to connect an external preamp is to use an insert. The insert is right before the A/D so there would be no coloration coming from the N12 correct? Except the signal then goes through the compressor and EQ. I know to avoid EQ you would have to zero it out but what about the compressor? On some things I would want to use the compressor but not on everything. I am quite sure I will like the on board pre’s but I recently was able to track a vocal through a Brent Averill 1272. I like some of them vintage type sounds you get from a 1073 or 1272 but would still use the N12 pre’s for a lot of things.

I think you are spot on. The inserts are there for the very reasons you have said. Yes you CAN have it all. It's not an either/Or. Because the EQ and Compression is digital, a setting of Zero IS off. There are no analog bleed through issues. The n12 has a lot of gain even without the preamps so you can really HEAR the character of anything you plug into it.

[soundrage]

Originally Posted by Geosync

1394 Chip Set Compatible with n12/n8
- AGERE FW323-05
- AGERE FW323-06
- TI TSB12LV23 + PHY
- TI TSB12LV26 + TSB41AB03
- TI TSB43AB22/A
- TI TSB43AB23
- VIA VT6306
*ATTENTION
The manufacturer may alter the above mentioned Chip Set without notice. Depending on the change, there's a possibility of it not working properly with n12/n8.

1394 Chip Set NOT Compatible with n12/n8
- NEC D72873GC
- NEC D72874GC
- NEC uPD72874

I'm getting closer to a decision on the N12.

Can anyone recommend a card? I've noticed in looking at firewire cards even the manufacturer does not always list the chipset on their site.

George, does Cubase AI require the Steinberg dongle?

[trock]

ok, i have cubase 4.1 i have a mixed logic M24 controller now which is very nice. i have API pre's etc and an RME FF 800

that being said i htink i read somewhere these are not automated faders correct?

also can you run 2 units daisy chained as one? i want 24 faders to conform to my templates which are 24 tracks and then i bank jump for now to the next 48. is this possible with the N12?

and if not do you think you guys will be coming out with a 24 track front end controller, like the N12 at some point? with automated faders, etc, this level of DAW control and the stellar pre's, eq, comp like the N12?

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by soundrage

George, does Cubase AI require the Steinberg dongle?

No hardware dongle needed, Cubase AI uses an electronic dongle.

Originally Posted by trock

ok,

1] i read somewhere these are not automated faders correct?

2]can you run 2 units daisy chained as one?

3]do you think you guys will be coming out with a 24 track front end controller, like the N12 at some point? with automated faders, etc, this level of DAW control and the stellar pre's, eq, comp like the N12?

1] No... the n12 is a digital mixer that emulates vintage analog mixers. It is not about
AUTOMATION it's about iNtegration . I explain in detail earlier in this thread.

2] You can on Windows XP and Vista machines. Later next year you can on Leopard machines.

3] We never discuss our future plans . It's a nice dream

We have the 02R96 and the DM2000 that do what you want with the exception of
the Pre amp and the AI functions. Maybe consider the n12 as a front end and assign 8 mono and 2 stereo buses and use the n12 as a mix down buss.
Take advantage of the good things you have already.

Just my 2 cents

[soundrage]

Originally Posted by Geosync

No hardware dongle needed, Cubase AI uses an electronic dongle.

Thanks George,

I've ordered a shiny new N12.

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by soundrage

I've ordered a shiny new N12.

I'm sure you'll enjoy it.

[soundrage]

Originally Posted by Geosync

I'm sure you'll enjoy it.

Thanks George,

one quick thing....the manual says power adapter may not be included. Is that maybe for Europe or something?

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by soundrage

Thanks George,

one quick thing....the manual says power adapter may not be included. Is that maybe for Europe or something?

It must be. No worries here in the US.

Don't forget to visit the n Series download page There was a new firmware update just released.
There is a new video that should show up soon on the product section.

[soundrage]

I got my N12 today and a firewire card for my PC.

Installed the firewire card and the driver was already in Win XP, it installed without a hitch.

Installed Cubase AI and that went well until time to authorize the software by connecting to the Steinberg website. I kept getting a message that my net connection wasn't working. It was and is and I had just registered at the Steinberg site. So for now I am not fully licensed yet.

Installed the N12 drivers and everything seemed to work but the Cubase ready light would not come on. I shut everything off and after a couple reboots it's working, yeah! Wow, this is pretty cool not having to grab a mouse for every little thing.

Next I grabbed a Strat and plugged it into the High Z input and loaded up a template and put down a track. Sounds good but on playback I have major pops and clicks. I've played the track back on different channels but no luck.

Anyone else experience this?

The board is bigger than I though, but that's not a bad thing. All the text on the board is easy to read. I've had an Alesis Studio 24 for some years now and compared to the N12 it's build is total junk. The faders and all the knobs on the N12 are soild, very good build. Just got to get past the pops and clicks and this should be a great mixer. I still can't believe how cheap my Alesis is compared to the N12, what a difference.

I'm doing an edit on this post...

Obviously I'm new to the N12 but also new to Cubase. I found my output latency was set to 128 samples. Bumped it up to 256 and that seems to work. Now off to the woodshed to figure out some more stuff.

[soundrage]

Got a question for any N12 users....a n00b question/

I've been recording a few tracks and have even done a littlw mixdown just trying to come up to speed with the N12.

One thing I cannot figure out is how to track with the N12's reverb. I can plug headphones into the Aux phones and hear the reverb during tracking but it does not record the verb.

BTW, the preamps on this thing are incredible for a mixer priced at $1500. I'm amazed by them.

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by soundrage

question/

I cannot figure out is how to track with the N12's reverb. I can plug headphones into the Aux phones and hear the reverb during tracking but it does not record the verb.

Congrats !! on your new n12, it's really an amazing sounding mixer.

Assign the reverb output to .... TO REC.....
Then record a track using REC Bus as the input.

We'll be uploading a video very soon, hopefully by the end of next week.

[soundrage]

Originally Posted by Geosync

Congrats !! on your new n12, it's really an amazing sounding mixer.

Assign the reverb output to .... TO REC.....
Then record a track using REC Bus as the input.

We'll be uploading a video very soon, hopefully by the end of next week.

Thanks George, I'll check that out tomorrow. Calling it quits tonight. I just got done hooking my POD into a channel insert and using the morph compressor which really sounds good on it. Yeah, this mixer is one great sounding unit.

Another thing I found out today. My Alesis mixer really is a piece of junk. All the lighting in my studio kept giving me a lot of noise during tracking or playback. So much so that I started using just a small lamp. With the N12 there is no noise at all. I have no doubt this a very well designed unit that has proper shielding.

Looking forward to the video.

[soundrage]

Originally Posted by Geosync

Assign the reverb output to .... TO REC.....
Then record a track using REC Bus as the input.

Got it working! That's a nice reverb on this mixer too. For Vocals I like the plate.

Even though I have been playing around with Cubase I have used Sonar for years so I've got that linked with the N12 too. I do projects with a friend and have both used Sonar for years. But I will keep working with Cubase too so I can learn all the integration tricks. Just for fun I also linked Reaper with the N12, no problems there either.

Do you know when the N8/N12 site is going to have the sweet spot data library up?

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by soundrage

Do you know when the N8/N12 site is going to have the sweet spot data library up?

The SweetSpot Data Manager Contains a library now. It's in a different place, but does contain the settings from Michael Wagener and Chuck Ainlay

[d3man]

Also in private message:


n series Vista driver - when? Or I can run it in "Windows XP compatibile mode"?

[Geosync]

The latest n12 Vista drivers are HERE
along with all the other goodies

[lord toranaga]

What about multiclient OSX drivers?

[Geosync]

The Leopard multi client drivers will be available later in 2008. We'll let you know more details as they are made available to us.

[lord toranaga]

thank you

[d3man]

Arrived!

[soundrage]

Originally Posted by d3man

Arrived!

Congrats!

I've had my N12 for a week today and don't want to walk away from it. Outstanding mixer.

[homestudioguy]

When the n12 info first came out, I commented to a friend that "with the new Yamaha/Steinberg connection, I wouldn't be surprise to see them come out with products that go head to head with Digidesign".
The n12 is certainly a step in that direction. Very nice indeed!

[mustream]

Hi. all I too am considering buy a N- series. For me it would be a N8.
Living in the Caribbean - Trinidad and Tobago.

Here's my Question

Ok. what i find intreging is how good the quality of this mixer really is "in terms of Sound Quality" Cause on yamaha's web site, they really boast about it...... and the Pre-amps and Reverb and such..

Now I currently have Lynx II A & B cards in my P.C. And I mix In the Box... (without a hardware mixer).. I was wondering if having a mixer like this would give me the flexabilty i always wanted. But also the mixer is an Firewire Audio interface in itself.. So, How would i integrate this Mixer in the best way with my Lynx card?

E.g. if i wanted to to pass all the outputs of both cards into the In's of the mixer and mix from it that way.. - you know..


Cause I understand that ASIO only allows for 1 driver at a time.

(Please tell me if I'm right about this)
I would want to use the Mic Pre from the Mixer and record, so therefore i'm thinking it would have to switch to the Yamaha's driver in Cubase and then When I'm ready to mix, I would have to switch back the LYNX II driver, Cause I would want to have all the outputs going into the Yamaha Mixer..

Is this Correct, or would it make sense for me to get this Mixer? Cause even though I like the Sound of the Lynx Cards, I would like to add a bit of warmth which i find that those cards don't really have yuh know?

Any opinions would be appreciated.. Thanks

[Geosync]

I am not sure how you are using a lot of outputs to mix ITB. ??

You are correct about ASIO in the Windows world it's 1 at a time either / or.
The Mac allows you to Aggregate multiple drivers.

The n8 allows for 4 mic pres and 2 Stereo line inputs to go direct out PLUS the REC bus and STEREO bus.
that's 12 sends to the DAW The 2Tack input can also be routed to the Stereo bus for recording.

To recap:

n8 ----> Preamp (1-4) direct Out
----> Stereo In (5/6 7/8) direct Out
----> 2 Track Stereo Bus
REC Bus
12 TOTAL to DAW


DAW ----> (1-8) , Main Out (CR Speakers), Aux Out for talent monitor (headphones)

12 TOTAL to n8

Imagine assigning 4 mono buses and 2 stereo buses and sending those to the n8 for mixdown.

I'm not sure if this helps you but it lets everyone know how flexible the n8 is as well.

[homestudioguy]

I just won Cubase 4, IK Multimedia's Total Studio Bundle, and SONiVOX MUSE via the Gearwire Contest and I am half-tempted to sell all my mid range priced pres n stuff and my very new and very unused Focusrite Saffire Pro10 and get this n12 mixer (I'll keep my Yamaha AW16G, though).
It seems to make a lot of sense.
Might have to go into minor debt for a new iMAC 20", though.
Any thoughts?

[soundrage]

Originally Posted by homestudioguy

I just won Cubase 4, IK Multimedia's Total Studio Bundle, and SONiVOX MUSE via the Gearwire Contest and I am half-tempted to sell all my mid range priced pres n stuff and my very new and very unused Focusrite Saffire Pro10 and get this n12 mixer (I'll keep my Yamaha AW16G, though).
It seems to make a lot of sense.
Might have to go into minor debt for a new iMAC 20", though.
Any thoughts?

It's a great unit, you won't regret it. Comes with Cubase AI but you won't need that since you won 4.

What kind of computer do you have now? It may work fine with the N12.