Yamaha n Series - Page 6

recordings · 25th October 2007, 11:10 AM

After doing all the research I can, reading everything here and downloading the manual, I changed an outstanding order for another piece of gear and am now awaiting delivery of the n12.

I will try and learn Cubase after years of being happy with Adobe Audition, which I use as much for it's versatile editing and clean-up tools as for multitrack recording. So, hey, I'll end up using both DAWs, why not?

There is one thing missing on the excellent monitoring provided, a mono button. I currently use a Samson C-Control, which does have one, but as the n12 appears to provide very high quality sound, I will not want to put any otherwise unnecessary circuitry between it and the monitors.

Obviously, as it would be a hardware mod, it is unlikely to be added any time soon, but it's worth bearing in mind for future products. It is a feature many professionals use.

Can't wait for my unit to arrive!

Stixxs · 25th October 2007, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geosync

1st: Warmth with air (if you know what I mean) none of our digital mixers have had that character

Excellent!

Vintage vibe... with a modern twist.

Like i said don't need the transport control (Using a Mackie control + Extender)...But I may put this on a rolling rack and keep it near the drums for tracking.

George...Next on the list you gotta get us a control surface ICON killer for Cubase!

btrox · 25th October 2007, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by recordings

There is one thing missing on the excellent monitoring provided, a mono button. It is a feature many professionals use.

yes, after using the excellent n12 for a couple of weeks now, i agree that a mono button would be a very welcome addition for future versions of this console. i mono in software, but with everything else at my fingertips, i often wish a mono button was present as well...

Stixxs · 25th October 2007, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kinetic Spirit

The mic-pre's, to my ears are extremely smooth, plenty of head-room, warm and they definitely induce a nice airy quality when you want it.

.

Glenn,

...Care to post a sample, for you fellow GS's? ;-)

Geosync · 25th October 2007, 08:07 PM

Are there any video tutorials (3rd party) for learning this system?

Sorry for the delay, Cubase 4.1 release to check, fires near the house .. stuff

We are working on the finishing touches of a new video for the n series

In the meantime there are some Videos for download

Geosync · 25th October 2007, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by recordings

There is one thing missing on the excellent monitoring provided, a mono button. I currently use a Samson C-Control, which does have one, but as the n12 appears to provide very high quality sound, I will not want to put any otherwise unnecessary circuitry between it and the monitors.

Can't wait for my unit to arrive!

Cubase AI will allow you to do it very easily. The main L/R output can be switched to Mono
Just add a mono output to the VST connections and assign it to mLAN out 3 (center channel for 5.1 or Buss # 2 in this case..... Done.

If you have more questions send me a PM with your contact info and we'll chat. :)

Kinetic Spirit · 25th October 2007, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stixxs

Glenn,

...Care to post a sample, for you fellow GS's? ;-)

Sure Stixxs, I'll be glad to but I'm heading for the "Woods of Minnesota" right on Lake Superior tonight!

Besides, when I get back I'll have some new mics to plug in and it will be more fun. (I'll have our CV-12, CV-28, CK-40 Stereo mic and the CK-33 Stereo mic). Most of my samples are all over the US right now.

You're buying one aren't you Stixxs? I'll be interested in what you think also. Back in a week!

A4722 · 25th October 2007, 11:41 PM

will fully loaded SX 2.2 projects (hypersonic, NI, etc.) open properly in AI 4 ?

thanks,
mfb

Geosync · 26th October 2007, 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A4722

will fully loaded SX 2.2 projects (hypersonic, NI, etc.) open properly in AI 4 ?

thanks,
mfb

They should. 2.2 goes back farther than we have tested. No problem with NI and hypersonic for sure.

If you have just purchased or are planning to purchase an n series you may want to take advantage of this deal from Steinberg. Saves you hundreds of dollars
Upgrade to Cubase 4.1 or Studio 4.1 @ 1/2 price

Stixxs · 26th October 2007, 01:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kinetic Spirit

Sure Stixxs, I'll be glad to but I'm heading for the "Woods of Minnesota" right on Lake Superior tonight!

Glen have a good one...look forward to the samples, and don't forget a budget mic if you would, for us regular folk. ;-)

Geosync · 26th October 2007, 02:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stixxs

don't forget a budget mic if you would, for us regular folk. ;-)

Glen's company makes beautiful mics at prices perfect for n12 owners.

Avant Electronics

strophe · 28th October 2007, 05:30 PM

Hi george
Everything was great with C4.03 But now with the 4.1 I ve got a lot of unexpected crash and asio overload using my N12 yamaha sound card (mlan?).
Try everything ridden in the forum (trash the prefs, reinstall firewire drivers,...) but nothing.
Note that 's working well whithout the n12 and using the buit-in asio card (Macbook pro)

Help

Geosync · 28th October 2007, 06:18 PM

Read your PM for suggestions

pacef8 · 31st October 2007, 11:53 PM

Hi George and greetings from liverpool
I have a question regarding dub mixing.
Can i run several decks cds etc through the unit then use the on board eq through to a live record on my mac via firewire keeping all the 8 channels . Then re record and alt the tracks in Logic or cubase. How big a step is it from Garageband (lol)

.

Would i need a phono stage between the 1210 turntable and mixer, i presume this would take 2 mono channels straight away.

Cheers
Pace

http://www.springline-jamaica.com/

Geosync · 1st November 2007, 01:56 AM

Can i run several decks cds etc through the unit then use the on board eq through to a live record on my mac via firewire keeping all the 8 channels .

Yes. There are 2 stereo input channles on the n8 or the n12
for 2 decks/cds as well as 4 mono(n8) or 8 mono (n12)

Then re record and alt the tracks in Logic or cubase.

Yes either/or

How big a step is it from Garageband

Step in learning.. not too bad it's just learning you way around. The whole manual is also available while the program runs..

Step in audio quality.. Awesome finest sound quality Yamaha has offered and that is a very bold statement.

Would i need a phono stage between the 1210 turntable and mixer, i presume this would take 2 mono channels straight away.

I assume you mean some sort of impedence matcher for the turntable..
Probably, maybe not, you should give that a go at a store before you purchase any extra gear.

lord toranaga · 1st November 2007, 10:13 PM

Let me first state, I believe that yamaha makes the most durable electronic instruments and gear.

I have a rack full of tx16w samplers, that work as well as the day they rolled out of production.

My buddy has an old SK analog synth and it still works a treat.

I have bought and sold many a3000 samplers on e-bay and they always arrive in good shape, no matter how they are packaged.

Yamaha devices are not always the most easy to use, but they do the job, and do it well.

I have decided to buy as much yamaha gear as possible.
They keep replacement parts in stock for many years to come

I am very interested in the n series mixers.
I am very interested in using more than one.

I am using OSX.4.1 on a c2d imac.

My question is, until the drivers support multiple units, can i use two n series mixers as aggregated devices?

And, would i have to sacrifice any channels so that I could monitor both mixers?

Geosync · 1st November 2007, 11:42 PM

until the drivers support multiple units, can i use two n series mixers as aggregated devices?

On OS 10.4.... No.. If you are using Cubase AI, it will run on windows XP on your
iMac using the Bootcamp utility and Windows XP SP2/Vista and the latest mLAN tools for XP/Vista

And, would i have to sacrifice any channels so that I could monitor both mixers?

If you use windows for tracking... no. It's all or nothing
I have used 2 n12s on my Macbook Pro running XP2 and it's awesome.

I'm afraid we have several months to wait (not sure exactly when) and
when we do it will be on Leopard.

lord toranaga · 2nd November 2007, 12:20 AM

I hate buying based on vaporware, but this is a great product.

I guess there is no reason
i could not use windws(except that i dont own it, and that means an extra
$300 dollars to spend on software)

does cubase AI run on osx at all?

are there core audio drivers for this unit?

also

do they come with rack ears or is that extra?

Geosync · 2nd November 2007, 01:27 AM

i dont own it, and that means an extra
$300 dollars to spend on software)

lots of places sell XP Pro for less than $140.00

does cubase AI run on osx at all?

You bet ! All of Steinberg's products are cross platform except Wavelab

are there core audio drivers for this unit?

AI Drivers for Windows AND OSX

do they come with rack ears?

No.. The n12 is over 20" wide. Desktop only

recordings · 5th November 2007, 08:04 PM

I took delivery of my n12 a few days ago. After replacing my unbranded firewire card with something a bit more up-market, everything worked perfectly. It is a beautiful piece of kit, stunning quality and delightful to work with. I'm amazed Yamaha can offer so much for the price. No doubt the technology will filter into a new range of mixers.

Inevitably ideas and suggestions come to mind, but I will PM them as I am delighted with it the way it is. I do note, however that there are upward-facing ventilation slots. I keep them covered when not in use, but was wondering if there is a dust cover available?

Geosync · 6th November 2007, 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by recordings

I took delivery of my n12 a few days ago. <<Snip>> I keep them covered when not in use, but was wondering if there is a dust cover available?

Congratulations !!. We do not make a dust cover but I found this site that makes custom covers. I'm sure there are many others that will make them at reasonable prices

DigitalDeckCovers Custom Dust Covers

d3man · 15th November 2007, 07:25 PM

I purchased n12, will be in 2-3 weeks here. I know nearly everything about n12, but I have just 1 question: What about AMD Athlon compatibility? My current (AMD based) system working fine and makes me sick when I think about setting a new PC to work with TC Powercore PCI card

*

Will Yamaha consider AMD Athlon compatibility or I have to swich to Intel?

* That card (PoCo PCI) is sounding beautiful, but compatibility with motherboards are extreme pain....

Geosync · 15th November 2007, 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d3man

Will Yamaha consider AMD Athlon compatibility or I have to swich to Intel?

The Athlon should be fine. The lack of mention is that it isn't tested.
Some of the computers we are using are Athlons here at the office in the US.

d3man · 16th November 2007, 01:31 AM

Thank you.

Today I spent 98764 hours to set-up another (Intel 2Core) computer to work and at the end, Powercore not working neither on that PC nor recent one (Athlon)

...I think I'll rely on Cubase reverbs and Yamaha compressors... Powercore goes E-Bay, bye bye!

_________________________

One more question: The AUX thing on n12 is not clear to me:

How we return AUX to DAW? If we send AUX from Cubase to physical AUX (to something outbord, eg. reverb), where do we return it?

________________________

In other words: does "AuX" on the channel strip is acting like hardware support for DAW aux send/aux Return?

Geosync · 16th November 2007, 03:31 AM

..I think I'll rely on Cubase reverbs and Yamaha compressors.

Don't forget the Rev-X reverb in the n12, it's the best we make

How we return AUX to DAW?
The Aux on the n12 is the Talent monitor. It combines the Aux sends from the analog input of the n12 and one the Aux sends of the DAW for monitoring wet or dry..
If you sent this to the DAW, you would have a feedback loop.
The templates for download already have these setup and labeled for the 3 mix modes.

If we send AUX from Cubase to physical AUX (to something outbord, eg. reverb), where do we return it?

As stated above, AUX send from Cubase goes to AUX out for talent monitoring or you can use DAW to Stereo enable and send the DAW to the stereo bus.

In other words: does "AuX" on the channel strip is acting like hardware support for DAW aux send/aux Return?

Let's try this. The Hardware Mix mode sets the proper routing.....

Setup :1
Cubase---> Chan 1 DAW input----- >Aux send---> Aux out---> Outboard FX---> analog in chan 2--- Direct out-- Cubase

Setup 2: Bus Out 1-8--> n12 DAW input 1-8--- Insert send and return 1-8-- Direct outs 1-8---> OR--- Rec Bus for summing on mixdown..

The routing of the n12 is VERY powerful and flexible. The documentation is very basic as to keep things very simple. We are finishing up a video that may help..

d3man · 16th November 2007, 06:17 PM

Thanks. Bottom line is: aux out, to outboard, and that wet signal comes in into n12/Cubase like separate audio channel (like in old days) and you apply reverb as you moving the fader during mix

Of course...Yamaha REV.... Does it tken from some actual Yamaha reverb box or is it created for n12 from the scratch?

Geosync · 16th November 2007, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by d3man

Thanks. Bottom line is: aux out, to outboard, and that wet signal comes in into n12/Cubase like separate audio channel (like in old days) and you apply reverb as you moving the fader during mix

Of course...Yamaha REV.... Does it tken from some actual Yamaha reverb box or is it created for n12 from the scratch?

The n12 IS the "Digital" version of the old days. It's an organic approach to digital recording with some cool new tech helpers.

The Rev gets it's technology from VCM Reverb

soundrage · 16th November 2007, 06:58 PM

Has anyone seen any reviews on these mixers yet?

It would be nice to see Anderton over at HC do a pro review on one of these.

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25th October 2007, 11:10 AM	#151
recordings Gear interested Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 6	Only One Thing Missing After doing all the research I can, reading everything here and downloading the manual, I changed an outstanding order for another piece of gear and am now awaiting delivery of the n12. I will try and learn Cubase after years of being happy with Adobe Audition, which I use as much for it's versatile editing and clean-up tools as for multitrack recording. So, hey, I'll end up using both DAWs, why not? There is one thing missing on the excellent monitoring provided, a mono button. I currently use a Samson C-Control, which does have one, but as the n12 appears to provide very high quality sound, I will not want to put any otherwise unnecessary circuitry between it and the monitors. Obviously, as it would be a hardware mod, it is unlikely to be added any time soon, but it's worth bearing in mind for future products. It is a feature many professionals use. Can't wait for my unit to arrive!

25th October 2007, 08:07 PM	#155
Geosync Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: California Posts: 712	Are there any video tutorials (3rd party) for learning this system? Sorry for the delay, Cubase 4.1 release to check, fires near the house .. stuff We are working on the finishing touches of a new video for the n series In the meantime there are some Videos for download __________________ George Hamilton Yamaha Corporation of America

25th October 2007, 11:41 PM	#158
A4722 Gear Head Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Buena Park, CA Posts: 72	SX 2.2 projects will fully loaded SX 2.2 projects (hypersonic, NI, etc.) open properly in AI 4 ? thanks, mfb __________________ A4722

28th October 2007, 05:30 PM	#162
strophe Gear interested Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1	Crash Hi george Everything was great with C4.03 But now with the 4.1 I ve got a lot of unexpected crash and asio overload using my N12 yamaha sound card (mlan?). Try everything ridden in the forum (trash the prefs, reinstall firewire drivers,...) but nothing. Note that 's working well whithout the n12 and using the buit-in asio card (Macbook pro) Help

28th October 2007, 06:18 PM	#163
Geosync Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: California Posts: 712	Read your PM for suggestions __________________ George Hamilton Yamaha Corporation of America

31st October 2007, 11:53 PM	#164
pacef8 Gear interested Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 6	Yamaha N8/apple mac g4 Hi George and greetings from liverpool I have a question regarding dub mixing. Can i run several decks cds etc through the unit then use the on board eq through to a live record on my mac via firewire keeping all the 8 channels . Then re record and alt the tracks in Logic or cubase. How big a step is it from Garageband (lol). Would i need a phono stage between the 1210 turntable and mixer, i presume this would take 2 mono channels straight away. Cheers Pace http://www.springline-jamaica.com/

1st November 2007, 01:56 AM	#165
Geosync Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: California Posts: 712	Can i run several decks cds etc through the unit then use the on board eq through to a live record on my mac via firewire keeping all the 8 channels . Yes. There are 2 stereo input channles on the n8 or the n12 for 2 decks/cds as well as 4 mono(n8) or 8 mono (n12) Then re record and alt the tracks in Logic or cubase. Yes either/or How big a step is it from Garageband Step in learning.. not too bad it's just learning you way around. The whole manual is also available while the program runs.. Step in audio quality.. Awesome finest sound quality Yamaha has offered and that is a very bold statement. Would i need a phono stage between the 1210 turntable and mixer, i presume this would take 2 mono channels straight away. I assume you mean some sort of impedence matcher for the turntable.. Probably, maybe not, you should give that a go at a store before you purchase any extra gear. __________________ George Hamilton Yamaha Corporation of America

1st November 2007, 10:13 PM	#166
lord toranaga Gear nut Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 110	Let me first state, I believe that yamaha makes the most durable electronic instruments and gear. I have a rack full of tx16w samplers, that work as well as the day they rolled out of production. My buddy has an old SK analog synth and it still works a treat. I have bought and sold many a3000 samplers on e-bay and they always arrive in good shape, no matter how they are packaged. Yamaha devices are not always the most easy to use, but they do the job, and do it well. I have decided to buy as much yamaha gear as possible. They keep replacement parts in stock for many years to come I am very interested in the n series mixers. I am very interested in using more than one. I am using OSX.4.1 on a c2d imac. My question is, until the drivers support multiple units, can i use two n series mixers as aggregated devices? And, would i have to sacrifice any channels so that I could monitor both mixers? __________________ for lots of great records check http://stores.ebay.com/Boom-Box-Beat...3aFQ3aSTQQtZkm

1st November 2007, 11:42 PM	#167
Geosync Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: California Posts: 712	until the drivers support multiple units, can i use two n series mixers as aggregated devices? On OS 10.4.... No.. If you are using Cubase AI, it will run on windows XP on your iMac using the Bootcamp utility and Windows XP SP2/Vista and the latest mLAN tools for XP/Vista And, would i have to sacrifice any channels so that I could monitor both mixers? If you use windows for tracking... no. It's all or nothing I have used 2 n12s on my Macbook Pro running XP2 and it's awesome. I'm afraid we have several months to wait (not sure exactly when) and when we do it will be on Leopard. __________________ George Hamilton Yamaha Corporation of America

2nd November 2007, 12:20 AM	#168
lord toranaga Gear nut Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 110	I hate buying based on vaporware, but this is a great product. I guess there is no reason i could not use windws(except that i dont own it, and that means an extra $300 dollars to spend on software) does cubase AI run on osx at all? are there core audio drivers for this unit? also do they come with rack ears or is that extra? __________________ for lots of great records check http://stores.ebay.com/Boom-Box-Beat...3aFQ3aSTQQtZkm

2nd November 2007, 01:27 AM	#169
Geosync Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: California Posts: 712	i dont own it, and that means an extra $300 dollars to spend on software) lots of places sell XP Pro for less than $140.00 does cubase AI run on osx at all? You bet ! All of Steinberg's products are cross platform except Wavelab are there core audio drivers for this unit? AI Drivers for Windows AND OSX do they come with rack ears? No.. The n12 is over 20" wide. Desktop only __________________ George Hamilton Yamaha Corporation of America

5th November 2007, 08:04 PM	#170
recordings Gear interested Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 6	Dust Cover I took delivery of my n12 a few days ago. After replacing my unbranded firewire card with something a bit more up-market, everything worked perfectly. It is a beautiful piece of kit, stunning quality and delightful to work with. I'm amazed Yamaha can offer so much for the price. No doubt the technology will filter into a new range of mixers. Inevitably ideas and suggestions come to mind, but I will PM them as I am delighted with it the way it is. I do note, however that there are upward-facing ventilation slots. I keep them covered when not in use, but was wondering if there is a dust cover available?

15th November 2007, 07:25 PM	#172
d3man Gear Head Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Zagreb Croatia Posts: 38	I purchased n12, will be in 2-3 weeks here. I know nearly everything about n12, but I have just 1 question: What about AMD Athlon compatibility? My current (AMD based) system working fine and makes me sick when I think about setting a new PC to work with TC Powercore PCI card* Will Yamaha consider AMD Athlon compatibility or I have to swich to Intel? * That card (PoCo PCI) is sounding beautiful, but compatibility with motherboards are extreme pain.... __________________ http://www.myspace.com/d3houseworks http://http://www.zero-g.co.uk/index.cfm?articleid=996

16th November 2007, 01:31 AM	#174
d3man Gear Head Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Zagreb Croatia Posts: 38	Thank you. Today I spent 98764 hours to set-up another (Intel 2Core) computer to work and at the end, Powercore not working neither on that PC nor recent one (Athlon) ...I think I'll rely on Cubase reverbs and Yamaha compressors... Powercore goes E-Bay, bye bye! _________________________ One more question: The AUX thing on n12 is not clear to me: How we return AUX to DAW? If we send AUX from Cubase to physical AUX (to something outbord, eg. reverb), where do we return it? ________________________ In other words: does "AuX" on the channel strip is acting like hardware support for DAW aux send/aux Return? __________________ http://www.myspace.com/d3houseworks http://http://www.zero-g.co.uk/index.cfm?articleid=996

16th November 2007, 03:31 AM	#175
Geosync Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: California Posts: 712	..I think I'll rely on Cubase reverbs and Yamaha compressors. Don't forget the Rev-X reverb in the n12, it's the best we make How we return AUX to DAW? The Aux on the n12 is the Talent monitor. It combines the Aux sends from the analog input of the n12 and one the Aux sends of the DAW for monitoring wet or dry.. If you sent this to the DAW, you would have a feedback loop. The templates for download already have these setup and labeled for the 3 mix modes. If we send AUX from Cubase to physical AUX (to something outbord, eg. reverb), where do we return it? As stated above, AUX send from Cubase goes to AUX out for talent monitoring or you can use DAW to Stereo enable and send the DAW to the stereo bus. In other words: does "AuX" on the channel strip is acting like hardware support for DAW aux send/aux Return? Let's try this. The Hardware Mix mode sets the proper routing..... Setup :1 Cubase---> Chan 1 DAW input----- >Aux send---> Aux out---> Outboard FX---> analog in chan 2--- Direct out-- Cubase Setup 2: Bus Out 1-8--> n12 DAW input 1-8--- Insert send and return 1-8-- Direct outs 1-8---> OR--- Rec Bus for summing on mixdown.. The routing of the n12 is VERY powerful and flexible. The documentation is very basic as to keep things very simple. We are finishing up a video that may help.. __________________ George Hamilton Yamaha Corporation of America

16th November 2007, 06:17 PM	#176
d3man Gear Head Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Zagreb Croatia Posts: 38	Thanks. Bottom line is: aux out, to outboard, and that wet signal comes in into n12/Cubase like separate audio channel (like in old days) and you apply reverb as you moving the fader during mix Of course...Yamaha REV.... Does it tken from some actual Yamaha reverb box or is it created for n12 from the scratch? __________________ http://www.myspace.com/d3houseworks http://http://www.zero-g.co.uk/index.cfm?articleid=996

16th November 2007, 06:58 PM	#178
soundrage Gear addict Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 369	Has anyone seen any reviews on these mixers yet? It would be nice to see Anderton over at HC do a pro review on one of these.