Yamaha n Series

[trock]

the competition launch's a nice product.

sonar and Roland finally merge with a combined offereing, if they would have done a 24 faders setup they would have killed cubase and yamaha

yamaha now needs an N24 with motorized faders but everything else just like it is, but 24 tracks and a master, same pre's for each comps, verb, etc and maybe toss in 4 stereo tracks

drop it into the market as the one button for one thing, not the digital mixers like the DM2000 with tons of layers just a simple thing, 24 tracks, 4 stereo, one master, motorized faders, everythign else the same

4500

walk away with everyone on cloud nine, oh and include cubase FULL, this product has sonar 8 PE, top of the line sonar software (which i have and its good)

george lets get a move on it :)

[soundrage]

Originally Posted by trock

by the way george when will 2 N12's be possible?


good stuff

I thought someone here was already running two n12's.

[trock]

sorry i meant 3

2 is doable now

[bullfrog]

Thanks Trock for the info on the controllers. Sounds like youve got a good thing going on there with the n12 and logic M24. I wasn't sure if the two would work together, thats great news. I will definately be ge including a n12 into my setup.
How does the n12 and logic M24 look in your studio. Have you got them set up next to each other. If you have any studio pictures of the n12 in your studio i'd love to see them. I use to use a soundcraft ghost in my studio and to be honest when bands came in to record got an excited look on their face much more so than when they see the MCU thats there now. I thought if i made a custom sloped box to house the N12 and MCU in together which could sit on my workstation it could look pretty flash. Looks doesnt help the sound but it does impress clients.
Does anyone have any pictures of the N12 set up in their studios they could post on here, i'd love to see them
Thanks heaps.

[matt_tricks]

Originally Posted by Geosync

1: The pre-amp are a great deal better.
2: We never discuss future products

Hi George,

Way back on the first page a guy asked if the pre-amps were as good as they were on the i88x and your answer was number 1 quoted here.

Without being funny.. are you sure? I owned the i88x and only got rid of it because MLan didn't fit into my re-designed studio and frustratingly the i88x didn't allow direct out from the pres. From memory the pres were out of the DM2000 and they used to spook me sometimes with how clean they were and how much overhead they had. Are you saying that the N series pre's are that much better? I'm skeptical mainly because of the price I guess!

I hope it's true.

Are the pre's the same as in the new Steinberg (Yamaha after all) mr816 series?

Thanks for your tireless efforts on this thread.

//matt

[soundrage]

I just noticed Sweetwater now has the n12 at $1199

Dammit George your tempting me/

That price is insane for what your getting/

[jdvmi]

Originally Posted by soundrage

I just noticed Sweetwater now has the n12 at $1199

Dammit George your tempting me/

That price is insane for what your getting/

Hey George,
Did the price drop? I know sweetwater has the price drop, but is this a price drop for all the retail outlets?

[lazi]

i'm not george but i can answer. yes the price has dropped for all dealers.


for some reason i can't get my 01v96's word clock to sync with the new driver on my powerbook. i'm not using the n12's or anything else. just my 01v96 and powerbook and the graphic patchbay connections don't stay. i can get the mlan driver and connect in logic but i'm getting some annoying pops. i'm thinking this has to do with the word clock and the word clock sync error keeps flashing on the screen.

kinda stuck.

[Geosync]

[b]

Originally Posted by trock

sorry i meant 3

2 is doable now

3 when Yamaha/Steinberg driver is released for n series... we hope by year's end

Originally Posted by matt_tricks

Hi George,

<<SNIP>>
Without being funny.. are you sure? <<SNIP>>Are you saying that the N series pre's are that much better? I'm skeptical mainly because of the price I guess!

I hope it's true.//matt

It's most definitely true.

Originally Posted by matt_tricks

Are the pre's the same as in the new Steinberg (Yamaha after all) mr816 series?
//matt

there are some slight differences, but for sake of discussion... yes.

Originally Posted by matt_tricks

Thanks for your tireless efforts on this thread.

//matt

Originally Posted by lazi

i'm not george but i can answer. yes the price has dropped for all dealers.


for some reason i can't get my 01v96's word clock to sync with the new driver on my powerbook. i'm not using the n12's or anything else. just my 01v96 and powerbook and the graphic patchbay connections don't stay. i can get the mlan driver and connect in logic but i'm getting some annoying pops. i'm thinking this has to do with the word clock and the word clock sync error keeps flashing on the screen.

kinda stuck.

1:} Try turning wireless off,
2:} Use auto connector, Connect MY16, then go to properties and do a factory set.

if No joy... PM me

[terence]

Hi all,

This is my first post here. I have just ordered the n12 based on all the positive reviews here - it more than fit my needs in a home studio set-up.

I'm a novice to hardware mixers and was creatively using a Saffire LE up until now. Our group wanted a nice mixing board for live and rehearsal work and more pre-amp inputs for recording. Ta Da! In stepped the n12. I was so close to getting a Mackie Onyx - but this seems the much better choice, especially with the separate channel i/os to firewire.

I have a simple question regarding the point where the firewire takes it's signal from - and I have honestly sieved though all the posts to find the answer: Does the firewire tap come before of after the fader/EQs and FX? Or is there a choice for pre and post fader tapping - which to me would seem the ideal arrangement. In other words, if I wanted to record a pure pre-amp signal into my DAW, can I bypass all the EQ, FX circuitry? Also, if that is possible, could I then simultaneously monitor the mix with the n12 EQ and Fx in?

None of this is deal-breaker stuff (I still can't find anything that approaches the n series in terms of price/capabilities) but clarification would be nice.

Many thanks in advance.

Terence

[achyeboah]

Originally Posted by betahifidelity

Did you ever get that problem with the hum sorted out and if so how? I have just bought a fantom and am experiencing the very same hum you are talking about. Its not very loud but its just a little annoying. Does anybody know a workaround for this?

Hey! I solved the hum by moving the audio lines further away from the power lines. I'm still setting up, so they were close together and running in parallel on the ground. However just separating them and running them at right angles fixed the hum. Now its so quiet the only way to test whether the keyboard/mixer/speakers are on is to press the keys!

Btw, whats this about a price drop????? I just bought my N12, and the firewire gremlins are back :(

Could anyone please tell me how this compares with the MOTU Audio 24?

Sammy

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by terence

Hi all,

<<SNIP>>

I have a simple question regarding the point where the firewire takes it's signal from - and I have honestly sieved though all the posts to find the answer: Does the firewire tap come before of after the fader/EQs and FX? Or is there a choice for pre and post fader tapping - which to me would seem the ideal arrangement. In other words, if I wanted to record a pure pre-amp signal into my DAW, can I bypass all the EQ, FX circuitry? Also, if that is possible, could I then simultaneously monitor the mix with the n12 EQ and Fx in?
<<SNIP

Terence

The block diagram is HERE

[terence]

Originally Posted by Geosync

The block diagram is HERE

Well - as best I can tell the direct outs go to DAW. But if my life depended on answering my own questions I'd be pretty scared. Looks complicated!

-Terence

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by terence

Well - as best I can tell the direct outs go to DAW. But if my life depended on answering my own questions I'd be pretty scared. Looks complicated!

-Terence

Firewire Direct outs is pre fader, post Compressor & EQ and (no comp on 9/10 11/12)

Firewire bus out (REC and ST ) are post fader COMP and EQ and REV X if you assign reverb to those busses

[terence]

Thanks, George!

[Geosync]

For all to use..

Attached is a Cubase 4.5 empty song that has 3 folders

Folders contain

1: Direct Input from n12 channels 8 mono, 2 stereo
2: Bus Inputs ST and REC
3: Group faders assigned to the n12 inputs

[trock]

Hey George when i try and open this in cubase it says invalid file type? i am on cubase 4.5.2

[Geosync]

did you unzip the file?

[trock]

of course george

saved it to my desktop, opened cubase

did a file/open, pointed to it and selected it

invalid file type error

and it looks fien, like a cubase project.cpr etc

just won't open

[ricfoxx]

I have never not been able to sell something but for the life of me I cant sell my N12. Now I know why... the price dropped considerably If anyone wants my N12 make me a offer!

[terence]

Originally Posted by ricfoxx

I have never not been able to sell something but for the life of me I cant sell my N12. Now I know why... the price dropped considerably If anyone wants my N12 make me a offer!

Can I ask why are you selling your n12? I thought from earlier posts you were mostly happy with it.

-Terence

[ricfoxx]

Originally Posted by terence

Can I ask why are you selling your n12? I thought from earlier posts you were mostly happy with it.

-Terence

Terence,

The N12 is a great piece of gear and I absolutely hate getting rid of it. I really think it is a steal at what they are selling for now... honestly.

I bought a Pro Tools HD system because I am taking outside clients and need the industry standard! I am integrating the Trident Series 8T with 16 in and out of Pro Tools and I hope to get as good of sound ! Very costly and I hope it pays off.

Take care,
Ric

[terence]

Hi Ric,

That's seriously nice high end gear! I wish you every bit of luck with the enterprise - and great photos of your studio by the way.

I have the deposit down and waiting for delivery of the n12, which is a big step ip for us at least. Thanks for your input and reassurance. We are pretty excited and I'm in the process of building acoustic panels and bass traps in what we call our studio in time for the new 'baby' arrival.

Unfortunately those lower prices have not trickled up to Canada yet - which is as usual. And many U.S.companies won't ship to up here in any case. Oh well...

Take care & thanks,
Terence

[d-dmusic]

Originally Posted by terence

...Unfortunately those lower prices have not trickled up to Canada yet - which is as usual. And many U.S.companies won't ship to up here in any case. Oh well...

Take care & thanks,
Terence

Huh ?

Sweetwater does. So does JRR Shop. And so does B&H Photo Video. At least they did.

Just make sure they send FedEx or DHL and not UPS. UPS brokerage fees will kill you. Inquire about broker fees before you buy. After shipping charges, GST/PST + broker fees, it may not be worth it. Plus, the warranty issue.

[mdorren]

Hello,
Sorry to interupt, but I am a very happy n12 / cubase 4 user who just received a motif xs rack along with an mlan16e2. I have downloaded and installed all of the newest drivers but can't get any sound from the motif.

I have everything working fine as far as mlan/n12/cubase go and I apologize ahead of time if this has been laid out before. As a matter of fact, I suppose that it has since there must be at least a few users with the same hardware/software as I.

Specifically, I am looking for some sort of step by step tutorial as to the sequence of events that must be taken to make all of this work. Can anyone help me here?

Thanks ahead of time,
Marty

[jdvmi]

Originally Posted by mdorren

Hello,
Sorry to interupt, but I am a very happy n12 / cubase 4 user who just received a motif xs rack along with an mlan16e2. I have downloaded and installed all of the newest drivers but can't get any sound from the motif.

I have everything working fine as far as mlan/n12/cubase go and I apologize ahead of time if this has been laid out before. As a matter of fact, I suppose that it has since there must be at least a few users with the same hardware/software as I.

Specifically, I am looking for some sort of step by step tutorial as to the sequence of events that must be taken to make all of this work. Can anyone help me here?

Thanks ahead of time,
Marty

Try this A little help with Yamaha N12 & Motif XS and mLAN - MotiForum. Discuss Motif issues with people all over the world. - Forums powered by UBB.threads™

[trock]

thanks george this one loaded fine

however i am lost as to how to use it for sending tracks out of cubase to mix on the n12 and back in via these group channels and all the different volumes i am getting etc

[ricfoxx]

Originally Posted by terence

Hi Ric,

That's seriously nice high end gear! I wish you every bit of luck with the enterprise - and great photos of your studio by the way.

I have the deposit down and waiting for delivery of the n12, which is a big step ip for us at least. Thanks for your input and reassurance. We are pretty excited and I'm in the process of building acoustic panels and bass traps in what we call our studio in time for the new 'baby' arrival.

Unfortunately those lower prices have not trickled up to Canada yet - which is as usual. And many U.S.companies won't ship to up here in any case. Oh well...

Take care & thanks,
Terence

Terence, Thanks for the kind words. You will not be disappointed with the N12

P.S. The classifieds has my N12 with a link to ebay with a buy it now of $800

Take good care,
Ric