Yamaha n Series

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by troggg

Let me first state I'm just not a Mac guy and want to stay on the PC side. Also, I'm looking to do light DAW work where I record the main parts (no live drums) then take them to my buddy's studio to mix. So I don't need all sorts of plugins.

George or anyone replying, forgive me if this has been mentioned, but knowing that Vista is problematic for audio, is 32-bit Vista more workable than 64-bit Vista with the N12 & Cubase 4.x?

Specifically I am toying with the idea of getting the Sony Vaio LT series which is that futuristic all-in-one that looks somewhat like an iMac. There are presently close-outs on the 32-bit versions. They also have Vista Media Center which may or may not be satanic for audio.

Last question in case you tell me that combo is potentially a go: it just has one hard drive, so how would I work the Firewire I/O so that I could connect to both the N12 and an external firewire audio drive?

Thanks!

SONY makes good machines. I don't know if that 1394 controller is a TI or not,

If so it's a go.. I HIGHLY recommend using the GLYPH FW drive it is rock solid and
n12 friendly. I connect the GLYPH tp my computer and the n12 to it..
Actually, I use it as a hub which is supposed to be a no no.

FW800--->800Mhz ---GLYPH GT050Q---->400Mhz--->n12

Always solid

[troggg]

a go for 32 bit, 64 bit or both? actually the new sonys coming out in a few weeks have 2 internal hds but I think they'll be 64 bit. . .

[betahifidelity]

Hi George, Yes i have tried various mic placements but i am not sure what chest miking is? I came to the conclusion a long while back that my voice must be highly eq'd to sound presentable. Within the next few months i am due to invest in a new condenser mic. I seem to find many good reports of the akg 414xls2 mic. Apparantly this mic has a frequency boost around the high mid which is usefull for vocals. As far as my current mic goes;Behringer b2pro, i believe the frequency response to be very dull and making my tonal problem worse. My vocals are certainly sounding better through the N12 than my previous interface, im surely heading in the right direction? On another issue; i only work with vst instruments apart from guitar and odviously vocals. I allways used to open, in C4, the midi 16 track template and add audio tracks accordingly. The N12 templates do not include a preset for midi, allthough i know i could make my own. Is it possible to route the n12 without using the n12 templates or is that not reccomended?

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by troggg

a go for 32 bit, 64 bit or both? actually the new sonys coming out in a few weeks have 2 internal hds but I think they'll be 64 bit. . .

64bit is a definate NO !! for n12

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by betahifidelity

Hi George, Yes i have tried various mic placements but i am not sure what chest miking is? I came to the conclusion a long while back that my voice must be highly eq'd to sound presentable. Within the next few months i am due to invest in a new condenser mic. I seem to find many good reports of the akg 414xls2 mic. Apparantly this mic has a frequency boost around the high mid which is usefull for vocals. As far as my current mic goes;Behringer b2pro, i believe the frequency response to be very dull and making my tonal problem worse. My vocals are certainly sounding better through the N12 than my previous interface, im surely heading in the right direction? On another issue; i only work with vst instruments apart from guitar and odviously vocals. I allways used to open, in C4, the midi 16 track template and add audio tracks accordingly. The N12 templates do not include a preset for midi, allthough i know i could make my own. Is it possible to route the n12 without using the n12 templates or is that not reccomended?

Templates are only there to teach you basic routing after a few sessions you should make your own..


Good luck on your mic quest AKG can be a bit brittle

I am using a Avant CV12 with 28 patterns, it's very versatile

[smoke]

Originally Posted by trock

basically what fader is taking over mixing thru the n12? are my levels and auto in cubase? or does the hardware fader on the n12 change those levels?

The way I see it, (with a DAW -> HW mix) is that the N12 is basically post-Cubase. I do what I do in Cubase level-wise as normal, I use the N12 just for a post EQ/compression option if I need it. If I don't need it, it passes straight to REC BUSS.

Another thing, is that if you happen to boost or cut N12 EQ, or use N12 compression drive, the N12 fader compensates for that new adjustment in level. You would not want to use the Cubase mixer for this adjustment, because you're in essence, driving the N12 compression.

Questions: If I perform an N12 reset, do I need to reinstall the FW update?

and

If I'm doing a normal ST MIX (ie: not using REC BUSS for recording) what is the best way to record that Cubase mix into a stereo file, other than Cubase EXPORT AUDIO?
Do I set N12 Stereo as an audio input and record that? And in this case, the stereo fader will determine the level of the recording. This presents a problem when you need to bounce down, but can't make a lot of noise in the apartment!

[Geosync]

Questions: If I perform an N12 reset, do I need to reinstall the FW update?


No one has nothing to do with the other


If I'm doing a normal ST MIX (ie: not using REC BUSS for recording) what is the best way to record that Cubase mix into a stereo file, other than Cubase EXPORT AUDIO?
Do I set N12 Stereo as an audio input and record that?

I didn't understand this at all . Break it down 1 thing at a time...

And in this case, the stereo fader will determine the level of the recording. This presents a problem when you need to bounce down, but can't make a lot of noise in the apartment!

If you have a good (Recording level) set of phones, use them For short term mixing it's ok...

[jdvmi]

I recently bought the n12 and it's replacing my Fireface 800. I also have a Motif XS so the n12 and XS are connected via mLan to my main DAW. One thing I didn't do was take into account that the n12 doesn't have ADAT. You see I have multiple quad core DAWs and I need to send the slave computer audio to my main DAW via ADAT. What might work for me would be to hook ADAT between my slave computer and the forthcoming MR816. This way I could see it all through one driver in Cubase. Just wish the MR816 had more than one ADAT in/out, but that's for another discussion.

Once all the new drivers are released will the above scenario work? Basically allowing me to connect the XS, n12 and MR816 as one and have Cubase see this all as one. Sorry, I'm just confused as hell with all the different drivers for these pieces of hardware.

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by jdvmi

I recently bought the n12 and it's replacing my Fireface 800. I also have a Motif XS so the n12 and XS are connected via mLan to my main DAW. One thing I didn't do was take into account that the n12 doesn't have ADAT. You see I have multiple quad core DAWs and I need to send the slave computer audio to my main DAW via ADAT. What might work for me would be to hook ADAT between my slave computer and the forthcoming MR816. This way I could see it all through one driver in Cubase. Just wish the MR816 had more than one ADAT in/out, but that's for another discussion.

Once all the new drivers are released will the above scenario work? Basically allowing me to connect the XS, n12 and MR816 as one and have Cubase see this all as one. Sorry, I'm just confused as hell with all the different drivers for these pieces of hardware.

Yes late December should do the trick..

And all the drivers are confusing ;)

[smoke]

Originally Posted by Geosync

If I'm doing a normal ST MIX (ie: not using REC BUSS for recording) what is the best way to record that Cubase mix into a stereo file, other than Cubase EXPORT AUDIO?
Do I set N12 Stereo as an audio input and record that?

I didn't understand this at all . Break it down 1 thing at a time...

Well if I do a HW mix, I can choose REC BUSS, where the master fader is independent from recording level. I can leave the N12 master fader all the way down, and still produce a mixdown at adequate level.

If I do a ST MIX (in Cubase), the N12 will record directly from the Stereo channel. The level of your resulting mixdown depends on the level of the Stereo fader.

Unless I'm missing something basic....

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by smoke

Well if I do a HW mix, I can choose REC BUSS, where the master fader is independent from recording level. I can leave the N12 master fader all the way down, and still produce a mixdown at adequate level.

If I do a ST MIX (in Cubase), the N12 will record directly from the Stereo channel. The level of your resulting mixdown depends on the level of the Stereo fader.

Unless I'm missing something basic....

Correct BUT>>>

The Control Room Knob adjusts the spaeker volume and C-R Phones adjusts Controlroom headphone volume and if you use the AUX send, the AUX phone knob adjusts the AUX phone volume..

And the Stereo Fader remains untoched

[smoke]

^^ So you're saying turn my monitors off (or attenuate) and use the control room outs, CR headphone out, or aux to monitor while recording.

That's the only way I can imagine to mute or control the volume while mixing down via ST MIX.

Unless I'm still misunderstanding. I was hoping something like the PFL button on the stereo buss would allow me to control monitoring level and not recording level... am I making any sense?

[MikeHolloway]

Originally Posted by smoke

^^ So you're saying turn my monitors off (or attenuate) and use the control room outs, CR headphone out, or aux to monitor while recording.

That's the only way I can imagine to mute or control the volume while mixing down via ST MIX.

Unless I'm still misunderstanding. I was hoping something like the PFL button on the stereo buss would allow me to control monitoring level and not recording level... am I making any sense?

I'm still getting into using the n12 but I'm pretty sure that, provided they are connected to one of the monitor output pairs, you can control the volume level of the monitors using the Control Room volume knob whilst providing an unchanged (and presumably still 'hot') signal on the ST bus which you can then record in Cubase.

If this doesn't answer the question, I'm not sure I understand it

[smoke]

My ST outs are connected to my main monitors. I have a 2nd pair connected to Control Room out. Control Room Level controls the control room speakers only. It does not affect the level of the stereo buss.

[MikeHolloway]

Could you not connect your monitors to one of the other monitor outs instead of the ST out or have you got it configured that way so you can have it through multiple speaker sets simultaneously? To me that is a bit of a failing (albeit a minor one) in the n12 - that you can't select multiple monitor sets.

[smoke]

Originally Posted by MikeHolloway

Could you not connect your monitors to one of the other monitor outs instead of the ST out or have you got it configured that way so you can have it through multiple speaker sets simultaneously? To me that is a bit of a failing (albeit a minor one) in the n12 - that you can't select multiple monitor sets.

Yeah, I can always switch my main monitors temporarily over to the Control Room outs. Ideally though, I prefer as little fiddling in the back of the N12 as possible, especially since I often jump between different projects.

I feel like there is an easy solution I'm not getting. I imagine I could route the entire Cubase mixer to N12 11/12 and HW mix from there, but that's still not quite what I want to do... actually that would be a lot of itb routing work.

[jdvmi]

Originally Posted by MikeHolloway

To me that is a bit of a failing (albeit a minor one) in the n12 - that you can't select multiple monitor sets.

+1!!!!!!! I have to use the 5.1 feature of Cubase in order to output to all my monitors at once.

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by jdvmi

+1!!!!!!! I have to use the 5.1 feature of Cubase in order to output to all my monitors at once.

Seems like there is some confusion as to the monitoring section does.
Rightfully so..
The features of the n12 are normally only found on really expensive large format consoles.

You have C-R A B and C or 5.1 (BTW this is NOT simply an all switch. There are rear speaker reductions and LFE management ... etc this is the real 5.1)

SO instead of connecting you main monitors to ST Out, Set them to CR out-A
set your second set of monitors to CR-C

Your Sub to CR-B Right and so forth

When you want to hear the ST Out select CR Source to ST...
When you want to hear whats going to your Aux Out select AUX
When you want to hear whats cominfg from the Main L&R of Cubase, select DAW

when you want to hear any of this from a second monitor select C-R Speaker "C" or B

If you set all of your channel strip AUX send to unity (the arrow at 1 o'clock)
then you can listen to the AUX bus which is pre fader if you want to hear post ST fader, listen to ST

If you want to hear DAW pre mixer listen to DAW input

As long as you have send 1 of each track going to n12-AUX or mLAN 15/16

Then just adjust the DAW to AUX level...



This is a very flexible monitoring system and generally
WAAAY more than most need or are even aware of

[smoke]

Yes, the above method works perfectly. I knew there was something embarrassingly simple that never occurred to me. Just use the (C) CR outs too... duh Nothing to see here folks, most of you will figure this out on day 1.

[jdvmi]

Originally Posted by Geosync

when you want to hear any of this from a second monitor select C-R Speaker "C" or B

But what if I want to hear My CR-A with sub and/or CR-C with sub? Why can't you turn on all speaker outs at once if so desired?

[paulitto]

Originally Posted by Geosync

This is a very flexible monitoring system and generally
WAAAY more than most need or are even aware of

Yes, the monitoring on the n12 is great,
but hey, where is the MONO Button?
I really miss that one.

Regards,
Paul

[ricfoxx]

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/gears...ml#post3496390

Cheap plug but I love this board and somebody should get it from me and save some $$$.

BTW: I am still going to use Cubase George, I just bought a Trident Series 8T and looking for a 24 i/o to use with Cubase WOOOHOOO

Any suggestions?

Ric

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by paulitto

Yes, the monitoring on the n12 is great,
but hey, where is the MONO Button?
I really miss that one.

Regards,
Paul

Spot on

It's on my wish list too ;)

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by jdvmi

But what if I want to hear My CR-A with sub and/or CR-C with sub? Why can't you turn on all speaker outs at once if so desired?

It will trash your stereo image create standing waves galore and kill your mixes but use the 5.1 mode and you do indeed have that...

Remember this get your listen area honest before doing anything else...

If not, everything you mix is a lie.

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by ricfoxx

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/gears...ml#post3496390

Cheap plug but I love this board and somebody should get it from me and save some $$$.

BTW: I am still going to use Cubase George, I just bought a Trident Series 8T and looking for a 24 i/o to use with Cubase WOOOHOOO

Any suggestions?

Ric

3 Steinberg MR816s there is nothing better for use with Cubase
Once you understand the different modes it's pretty awesome

Teddy Riley just put 3 in his studio.

[jdvmi]

Originally Posted by Geosync

Remember this get your listen area honest before doing anything else...

If not, everything you mix is a lie.

I’ve spent more money on this than anything else in my studio. I have a very accurate room. Here is why being able to always keep the sub on would be nice. I have my keyboards set up off to the left of my main mixing desk and I have a set of monitors on each side of my keyboards, so when I’m playing my keys I like to monitor through this set of monitors with the sub. When I’m mixing I use my main monitors on the left and right of my mixing desk and sometimes I want to activate the sub. Similar to how the presonus central station works.

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by jdvmi

I’ve spent more money on this than anything else in my studio. I have a very accurate room. Here is why being able to always keep the sub on would be nice. I have my keyboards set up off to the left of my main mixing desk and I have a set of monitors on each side of my keyboards, so when I’m playing my keys I like to monitor through this set of monitors with the sub. When I’m mixing I use my main monitors on the left and right of my mixing desk and sometimes I want to activate the sub. Similar to how the presonus central station works.

I understand. It's the keyboardist's "L" from hell.
Just out of curiosity, how do your mixes sound now?

How were you mixing and monitoring before the n12?
There are Many ways to approach this.
Can you give us your speaker set up?

f you want to discuss it in depth, send me a PM with your phone number (if in US)
and I'll call you as soon as I get back from lunch apx 1/2 hour


We'll get you hooked up ;)