Yamaha n Series - Page 55

betahifidelity · 11th September 2008, 07:12 PM

Hi Trock, Thank you my friend i have been scratching my head all day. I tried the manual several times but kept getting nowhere, im not blaming the manual its my inexperience probably. I wonder how things would work if i wanted to mixdown all ten channels and put them thru n12 to cubase. On this example i just used channel 1 for the file and channel 2 for record? Ive got a bigger learning curve than i thought i would have to be honest. In the long run i'm sure that would prove well worth it. My vst's sound ten times better and so do my vocals. I'm glad i went for this over the rme800, i certainly think its more bang for buck. As i said before though ive got a fairly steep learing curve, its lack of cubase mixer and n12 mixer knowledge. Anyway thanks M8

Geosync · 11th September 2008, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zenguan88

I also do have a problem :c.

I connect my monitor's to the input of (L/R) in the C-R Out Section. However although there is input coming in, i can see this via the led popping up and down the master level meter, there is no sound coming out from my monitor.

However when i switch my cables to ST OUT sound starts coming out from my monitor :C

why is that so :C!

Not sure of your setting on your control room settings...

1st Row selects Control Room Speaker Output selection A, B or C you can have 3 Sets of Speakers that you switch between of a 5.1 rig..

2nd Row selects the "Source" of what you want to listen to..
5.1 Bus from Cubase,
DAW main out (mLAN 15&16),
ST Bus (you can also send the DAW to ST bus and adjust it's volume.. 2nd knob above the red ST Fader)
AUX bus
2TR input (you can also send the 2TR to ST bus and adjust it's volume.. 3rd knob above the red ST Fader)

By selecting the correct speaker and the correct source you can monitoe any bus in or out of the n12...

If you are trying to monitor the ST bus, make sure you have it turned on (Button above the red ST Fader)

betahifidelity · 12th September 2008, 02:36 PM

Hi, im getting used to this great mixer and i have another newbie question. O.k, yesterday i learned how to take a channel off cubase and run it through the n12 and back into cubase to recors a stereo file. I love the additional eq options this brings not to mention the reverbs etc. My newbie question is; Whilst summing through cubase i can see the channel strip light up on that channel (ch1) but i have no control over the level with that fader. How do i get fader control of that channel? Whilst summing and general use the n12 is in aux mode, is this correct. Help very much appreciated

Geosync · 12th September 2008, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by betahifidelity

Hi, im getting used to this great mixer and i have another newbie question. O.k, yesterday i learned how to take a channel off cubase and run it through the n12 and back into cubase to recors a stereo file. I love the additional eq options this brings not to mention the reverbs etc. My newbie question is; Whilst summing through cubase i can see the channel strip light up on that channel (ch1) but i have no control over the level with that fader. How do i get fader control of that channel? Whilst summing and general use the n12 is in aux mode, is this correct. Help very much appreciated

There are 3 ways that a signal goes from the n12 to Cubase

1 Direct out (Pre Fader)
2: REC bus (Post fader... you can control the volume)
3: ST bus (Post fader... you can control the volume)

You want to bring in all the channels and SUM them to the ST or REC bus

I like to use both the ST bus Dry and assign the REV to the REC bus Wet

That's just me.

betahifidelity · 12th September 2008, 06:30 PM

Thank you Kindly George that has put me in the right direction. On another thought, is it possible to playback a midi vst track from cubase through the n12 and record that as a stereo file? Sorry for the extremely basic questions and congratulations on the N12 product!

Geosync · 12th September 2008, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by betahifidelity

Thank you Kindly George that has put me in the right direction. On another thought, is it possible to playback a midi vst track from cubase through the n12 and record that as a stereo file? Sorry for the extremely basic questions and congratulations on the N12 product!

Yes, the easiest way is to use send 2 assigned to a channel input
send one is the DAW input now...

Testing new drivers for another project so I may be out of touch for a bit

The guys here can help you though they rawk !!

jdvmi · 12th September 2008, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by betahifidelity

Thank you Kindly George that has put me in the right direction. On another thought, is it possible to playback a midi vst track from cubase through the n12 and record that as a stereo file? Sorry for the extremely basic questions and congratulations on the N12 product!

Yes, that is possible. If I understand you correctly. I believe what you are asking is if you can record the audio that is output from a vsti going through the n12 and into Cubase.

betahifidelity · 12th September 2008, 07:24 PM

Hi, Thanks for the replies, yes that i what i mean. How would i send the vst track then, just through the send part on the vst track? There must be many possibility's but i find that very usefull indeed, being able to send vst instruments through the hardware eq and compressor. I have never used a harware compressor before but the n12 compressor is brilliant.

smoke · 12th September 2008, 10:10 PM

The simplest way is just to turn Hardware MIX on 1st, before you load the project. Inside the project, go to VST connections.

-Under INPUT tab, select the channel you want to use (N12 Direct Out 1 and 2, for ex.) Under OUTPUT make sure N12 Monitor or N12 Aux is selected, depending on your setup.

-On the Cubase mixer, just set the output routing at the top of VST channel to N12 1 and 2.

-N12: Make sure the ON light is on. Make sure either ST or REC is lit. Make sure STEREO buss is lit ON.

-Back to the Cubase mixer. If you want to route a send to the N12, create send or FX buss. Send VST channel to the send. Disconnect the Output routing from N12 1 and 2. Instead set the send or FX buss output to N12 1 and 2.

-Or send several VST channels to that group. Now you have a buss going into 1 and 2.

-Go back to VST connections. add + input 11/12.

-Change the group output to 11/12. Make sure 11/12 ON light is on, and ST or REC is lit. Now you have a STEREO buss (with no compression ...ahem

There's a blank SQUARE where 4 more knobs could FIT argh LOL just kidding George)

...

The way I bounce my VSTs back... I patch the output from the back of the N12 into the RCA input of 9/10 (A.IN selected). So the output of 11/12 goes to Stereo. Stereo goes into 9/10. Use the Stereo Master fader into the GAIN of 9/10, and check the input of Cubase IN channel for overs. This sounds better than the standard REC buss IMO. Furthermore, I take that resulting audio mixdown. Send that BACK thru 11/12 Hardware mix. Add UAD compression and EQ sweetening, tad bit of N12 90 hz small boost, bit of high cut so it's not so "digital", limit it. Then Cubase Export. They are the loudest, clearest bounces I have ever made. In some cases room to go louder. I usually roll back on the 10 khz just a tad to let back on any harshness, and I'm sounding a lot better with this method. I actually haven't done a full hardware mix in awhile (with all cubase channels going to separate N12 channels) it's actually still too much effort for the way I work, and the 2 mixes I did that way came out slightly bright for the type of stuff I do.

BTW If you want to use Sweet Spot compression going back in with the above method, just patch L & R from Stereo out to mono channels accordingly. However the stereo image of the mix will fall flat. I have not figured out how to go back in using the N12 compression and keep the mix correct.

MikeHolloway · 13th September 2008, 12:06 AM

Hi All

I've just taken delivery of a shiny new n12 which I'm very pleased with so far but I have a bit of a problem which I'm sure will have been covered in this thread already but I'm not sure what key words to search for. I'm using Cubase 4.5.2 and have installed the latest AI driver & Cubase extensions so if I start a new project with an n12 template all the inputs/outputs route correctly but if I open an existing project I get channel names/numbers which don't seem to directly correlate with the mixer channels and frequently I can only access some of these in VST connections even though they all show up in the device manager. With a bit of fiddling about though they sometimes reassign to corresponding mixer channels (so 1=1, 2=2 etc).

Is there an easy way to fix this? If this has been covered earlier can someone that's been following the thread point me to roughly the right page?

Thanks

Mike

grame99 · 13th September 2008, 09:26 AM

at the back of the manual there is a chart showing which inputs correspond to which N12 channel for people who use other sequencesrs or earlier versions of cubase. i think input one is channel six or something - its not what you expect.

smoke · 13th September 2008, 12:47 PM

With existing projects you have to manually set your outputs for each channel. You need to have Hardware Mix ON before you open the project again, or else the channel config will reset. If you open the project and select Hardware mix after opening your project Cubase/N12 will re-route your channels corresponding to the default template.
If this happens, don't save. Just close the project. Turn on HW mix, then open the project again. Everything will be set the way you configured it.

Hope that helps.

MikeHolloway · 13th September 2008, 01:32 PM

Thanks for the advice - I'll try that and see what happens.

On another note, how can you check which firmware version it's running and is it worth going to the latest firmware release? Having said that, I did try to run the firmware updater and the software didn't pick up the n12 - I'm running Mac OSX 10.5 on an Intel iMac if that makes any difference.

smoke · 13th September 2008, 01:49 PM

Go to the yamaha website (it's posted in here on one of the last few pages) and d/l the latest firmware.

There's also new mlan drivers available.

betahifidelity · 13th September 2008, 02:29 PM

Hi, Thanks very much with that detailed response, i will follow that proceedure. Im waiting delivery of a new desk so im working with the n12 on my hands and knees so im not spending too much time on it. Im also taking delivery of a new Akai mpk controller later next week. I wonder whether i should run it directly through usb or midi through the n12, thats another topic though?

MikeHolloway · 13th September 2008, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smoke

Go to the yamaha website (it's posted in here on one of the last few pages) and d/l the latest firmware.

There's also new mlan drivers available.

I've already been there and got the new mLan drivers (which work fine) and the firmware updater but when I run the updater it fails to 'see' the n12 even if I hit 'Refresh'

smoke · 13th September 2008, 04:02 PM

I run my MPD amd keyboard controller via USB. Works fine for me. I haven't used midi cables in years

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeHolloway

I've already been there and got the new mLan drivers (which work fine) and the firmware updater but when I run the updater it fails to 'see' the n12 even if I hit 'Refresh'

Not sure why that could be. Guess that's one for Geosync. Mine worked instantly, but I have a G5 PPC.

Geosync · 14th September 2008, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeHolloway

I've already been there and got the new mLan drivers (which work fine) and the firmware updater but when I run the updater it fails to 'see' the n12 even if I hit 'Refresh'

When you run the firmware updater, make sure you have device manager "OFF"

trock · 14th September 2008, 01:06 PM

Hye George

is there a new extensions update from sept 5 th i missed info on ??

i was on the N12 site and saw that date and couldn't remember if you mentioned it here and if not what it contains

thanks

betahifidelity · 14th September 2008, 02:08 PM

Hi, So if i wish to compress a stereo percussion track i would compress via the software as per usual and then eventually sum down to 9/10, 11/12? Is there a way to compress a stereo track with the n12 and break the track down, e.g; left channel 1, right chanel 2? I have tried to send left ch1, rightch2, and it works in the respect that i do get 2 seperate channels but they are both sent as mono so any panning is not heard? If it is not possible to compress a stereo track with pans on the n12?Would it be a good idea to consider a cheap stereo compressor and add it as an insert? Im just exploring possibilitys at this stage? Thanks in advance

smoke · 14th September 2008, 05:09 PM

I think I understand what you're saying. You may have to take care of your compression and panning ITB. Then use the N12 9/10 or 11/12 if you want post eq or reverb. I'm also considering HW buss compression because of this.

Geosync · 14th September 2008, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trock

Hye George

is there a new extensions update from sept 5 th i missed info on ??

i was on the N12 site and saw that date and couldn't remember if you mentioned it here and if not what it contains

thanks

Yes there is :-) You won't see any real changes except for multiple devices

betahifidelity · 14th September 2008, 05:36 PM

Hi, Thanks for reply, I was basicly wondering if there was some method of compressing a stereo channel so, Yes you understood me perfectly. In that case then the compression is for mono channels only? I am getting around the mixer a lot better and trying different things. As regards vocals do you adjust eq at recording stage or would you leave the eq alone untill mixdown? The way i'm thinking; If i were to adjust eq at recording stage and get it close to where i want it, it would be closer to the sound i want when i eq itb? Do you think most proffessional studios add eq at recording stage?

MikeHolloway · 14th September 2008, 05:39 PM

Well, after a couple of days of playing around (and some handy advice from this thread - cheers guys

) I've finally got my head around routing, using the n12 with existing projects & recording new ones and I have to say I haven't been this impressed with a piece of kit since I traded my G5 for a new iMac.

The n12 is - to use an overworked term - AWESOME!!

I normally use group channels in Cubase to help with mixing but I've found that with careful routing from the C4 mixer to the n12 I don't need them anymore and the results are sounding so much better than the ITB mixes I'd already done.

It operates in a completely different way than I'd expected and that took some mental adjustment. Simple things like reducing all the levels in the C4 mixer to a safe level below clipping and then letting the n12 handle the actual mix levels, routing guitars with the same panning settings to the same fader on the n12 (setting their relative levels in C4 and then their mix level on the n12)............

I've also noticed that in Guitar Rig, guitars sound more 'real' when the guitar signal has been recorded via the n12 than they did before and for bass guitar the compressor & EQ really give a polished and punchy sound.

OK, I'm going on a bit now but I am very very pleased (plus mine was an absolute bargain - B-stock @ £579).

Cheers again for the help.

M

Geosync · 14th September 2008, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by betahifidelity

<<SNIP>>As regards vocals do you adjust eq at recording stage or would you leave the eq alone untill mixdown? The way i'm thinking; If i were to adjust eq at recording stage and get it close to where i want it, it would be closer to the sound i want when i eq itb? Do you think most proffessional studios add eq at recording stage?

For vocals mic selection and placement come 1st

You don't have to go out a buy a boatload of expensive mics, just pic the best one for the vocalist on a song by song basis...
Experiment with the room stand in different places and at different angles
You'll be amazed at how different it will sound.
How does the vocal sound IN the mix when you track.

As with all instruments ( I consider voice an instrument too) the secret of tracking them is to capture them as realistic as possible and with good dynamics and low noise

EQ should be to REMOVE frequencies that offend or compete.
Decide what sounds best tell the story and Sculpt away the blemishes...

Short answer.. If you can grab a good sound in a good room

EQ after,,,

Everytime to touch a knob, you change the signal's phase...

trock · 14th September 2008, 05:52 PM

quick question on mixing back out thru the n12

say you have done your mix in cubase with automation on faders etc and most of them are not near 0db

i take it summing for the most part is sendin your mix as stems back out thru the 8 mono and 2 stereo track on the n12, so you apply group channels in cubase accordinglyl

and on the n12 you can use comp, eq, verb, etc but you would not want to touch the faders at their postion of 0

basically what fader is taking over mixing thru the n12? are my levels and auto in cubase? or does the hardware fader on the n12 change those levels?

betahifidelity · 14th September 2008, 06:04 PM

Hi George, I am using a cheap Behringer condenser mic and i think its spoiling the signal to be honest. I have a good singing range and can hold a note (i have melodyne etc anyway) but there is a slight nasal frequency around the mid range that i always have had to remove/cut from my vocals. I do find the n12 mid sweep very usefull in cutting that frequncy down and reducing the work later on during itb eqing etc. I was just wondering if that would be a colmon practise? But yes i have to be carefull not to over do it.Thanks again.

Geosync · 14th September 2008, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by betahifidelity

Hi George, I am using a cheap Behringer condenser mic and i think its spoiling the signal to be honest. I have a good singing range and can hold a note (i have melodyne etc anyway) but there is a slight nasal frequency around the mid range that i always have had to remove/cut from my vocals. I do find the n12 mid sweep very usefull in cutting that frequncy down and reducing the work later on during itb eqing etc. I was just wondering if that would be a colmon practise? But yes i have to be carefull not to over do it.Thanks again.

Have you tried facing a different angle or Chest micing?

Geosync · 14th September 2008, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trock

basically what fader is taking over mixing thru the n12? are my levels and auto in cubase? or does the hardware fader on the n12 change those levels?

There is no this or that....

Try both..

I edit the stem wave files so that NO automaton is needed.. and I can sum it on anything..

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11th September 2008, 07:12 PM	#1621
betahifidelity Gear interested Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 17	Yamaha N12 newbie probs Hi Trock, Thank you my friend i have been scratching my head all day. I tried the manual several times but kept getting nowhere, im not blaming the manual its my inexperience probably. I wonder how things would work if i wanted to mixdown all ten channels and put them thru n12 to cubase. On this example i just used channel 1 for the file and channel 2 for record? Ive got a bigger learning curve than i thought i would have to be honest. In the long run i'm sure that would prove well worth it. My vst's sound ten times better and so do my vocals. I'm glad i went for this over the rme800, i certainly think its more bang for buck. As i said before though ive got a fairly steep learing curve, its lack of cubase mixer and n12 mixer knowledge. Anyway thanks M8

12th September 2008, 02:36 PM	#1623
betahifidelity Gear interested Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 17	Yamaha N12 newbie Hi, im getting used to this great mixer and i have another newbie question. O.k, yesterday i learned how to take a channel off cubase and run it through the n12 and back into cubase to recors a stereo file. I love the additional eq options this brings not to mention the reverbs etc. My newbie question is; Whilst summing through cubase i can see the channel strip light up on that channel (ch1) but i have no control over the level with that fader. How do i get fader control of that channel? Whilst summing and general use the n12 is in aux mode, is this correct. Help very much appreciated

12th September 2008, 06:30 PM	#1625
betahifidelity Gear interested Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 17	Yamaha N12 newbie Thank you Kindly George that has put me in the right direction. On another thought, is it possible to playback a midi vst track from cubase through the n12 and record that as a stereo file? Sorry for the extremely basic questions and congratulations on the N12 product!

12th September 2008, 07:24 PM	#1628
betahifidelity Gear interested Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 17	Yamaha N12 newbie Hi, Thanks for the replies, yes that i what i mean. How would i send the vst track then, just through the send part on the vst track? There must be many possibility's but i find that very usefull indeed, being able to send vst instruments through the hardware eq and compressor. I have never used a harware compressor before but the n12 compressor is brilliant.

12th September 2008, 10:10 PM	#1629
smoke Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 543	The simplest way is just to turn Hardware MIX on 1st, before you load the project. Inside the project, go to VST connections. -Under INPUT tab, select the channel you want to use (N12 Direct Out 1 and 2, for ex.) Under OUTPUT make sure N12 Monitor or N12 Aux is selected, depending on your setup. -On the Cubase mixer, just set the output routing at the top of VST channel to N12 1 and 2. -N12: Make sure the ON light is on. Make sure either ST or REC is lit. Make sure STEREO buss is lit ON. -Back to the Cubase mixer. If you want to route a send to the N12, create send or FX buss. Send VST channel to the send. Disconnect the Output routing from N12 1 and 2. Instead set the send or FX buss output to N12 1 and 2. -Or send several VST channels to that group. Now you have a buss going into 1 and 2. -Go back to VST connections. add + input 11/12. -Change the group output to 11/12. Make sure 11/12 ON light is on, and ST or REC is lit. Now you have a STEREO buss (with no compression ...ahem There's a blank SQUARE where 4 more knobs could FIT argh LOL just kidding George) ... The way I bounce my VSTs back... I patch the output from the back of the N12 into the RCA input of 9/10 (A.IN selected). So the output of 11/12 goes to Stereo. Stereo goes into 9/10. Use the Stereo Master fader into the GAIN of 9/10, and check the input of Cubase IN channel for overs. This sounds better than the standard REC buss IMO. Furthermore, I take that resulting audio mixdown. Send that BACK thru 11/12 Hardware mix. Add UAD compression and EQ sweetening, tad bit of N12 90 hz small boost, bit of high cut so it's not so "digital", limit it. Then Cubase Export. They are the loudest, clearest bounces I have ever made. In some cases room to go louder. I usually roll back on the 10 khz just a tad to let back on any harshness, and I'm sounding a lot better with this method. I actually haven't done a full hardware mix in awhile (with all cubase channels going to separate N12 channels) it's actually still too much effort for the way I work, and the 2 mixes I did that way came out slightly bright for the type of stuff I do. BTW If you want to use Sweet Spot compression going back in with the above method, just patch L & R from Stereo out to mono channels accordingly. However the stereo image of the mix will fall flat. I have not figured out how to go back in using the N12 compression and keep the mix correct.

13th September 2008, 12:06 AM	#1630
MikeHolloway Gear interested Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 7	Hi All I've just taken delivery of a shiny new n12 which I'm very pleased with so far but I have a bit of a problem which I'm sure will have been covered in this thread already but I'm not sure what key words to search for. I'm using Cubase 4.5.2 and have installed the latest AI driver & Cubase extensions so if I start a new project with an n12 template all the inputs/outputs route correctly but if I open an existing project I get channel names/numbers which don't seem to directly correlate with the mixer channels and frequently I can only access some of these in VST connections even though they all show up in the device manager. With a bit of fiddling about though they sometimes reassign to corresponding mixer channels (so 1=1, 2=2 etc). Is there an easy way to fix this? If this has been covered earlier can someone that's been following the thread point me to roughly the right page? Thanks Mike

13th September 2008, 09:26 AM	#1631
grame99 Gear Head Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 46	at the back of the manual there is a chart showing which inputs correspond to which N12 channel for people who use other sequencesrs or earlier versions of cubase. i think input one is channel six or something - its not what you expect.

13th September 2008, 12:47 PM	#1632
smoke Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 543	With existing projects you have to manually set your outputs for each channel. You need to have Hardware Mix ON before you open the project again, or else the channel config will reset. If you open the project and select Hardware mix after opening your project Cubase/N12 will re-route your channels corresponding to the default template. If this happens, don't save. Just close the project. Turn on HW mix, then open the project again. Everything will be set the way you configured it. Hope that helps.

13th September 2008, 01:32 PM	#1633
MikeHolloway Gear interested Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 7	Thanks for the advice - I'll try that and see what happens. On another note, how can you check which firmware version it's running and is it worth going to the latest firmware release? Having said that, I did try to run the firmware updater and the software didn't pick up the n12 - I'm running Mac OSX 10.5 on an Intel iMac if that makes any difference.

13th September 2008, 01:49 PM	#1634
smoke Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 543	Go to the yamaha website (it's posted in here on one of the last few pages) and d/l the latest firmware. There's also new mlan drivers available.

13th September 2008, 02:29 PM	#1635
betahifidelity Gear interested Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 17	Yamaha N12 newbie Hi, Thanks very much with that detailed response, i will follow that proceedure. Im waiting delivery of a new desk so im working with the n12 on my hands and knees so im not spending too much time on it. Im also taking delivery of a new Akai mpk controller later next week. I wonder whether i should run it directly through usb or midi through the n12, thats another topic though?

14th September 2008, 01:06 PM	#1639
trock Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 663	Hye George is there a new extensions update from sept 5 th i missed info on ?? i was on the N12 site and saw that date and couldn't remember if you mentioned it here and if not what it contains thanks __________________ www.timmallick.com

14th September 2008, 02:08 PM	#1640
betahifidelity Gear interested Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 17	n12 newbie Hi, So if i wish to compress a stereo percussion track i would compress via the software as per usual and then eventually sum down to 9/10, 11/12? Is there a way to compress a stereo track with the n12 and break the track down, e.g; left channel 1, right chanel 2? I have tried to send left ch1, rightch2, and it works in the respect that i do get 2 seperate channels but they are both sent as mono so any panning is not heard? If it is not possible to compress a stereo track with pans on the n12?Would it be a good idea to consider a cheap stereo compressor and add it as an insert? Im just exploring possibilitys at this stage? Thanks in advance

14th September 2008, 05:09 PM	#1641
smoke Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 543	I think I understand what you're saying. You may have to take care of your compression and panning ITB. Then use the N12 9/10 or 11/12 if you want post eq or reverb. I'm also considering HW buss compression because of this.

14th September 2008, 05:36 PM	#1643
betahifidelity Gear interested Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 17	n12 newbie Hi, Thanks for reply, I was basicly wondering if there was some method of compressing a stereo channel so, Yes you understood me perfectly. In that case then the compression is for mono channels only? I am getting around the mixer a lot better and trying different things. As regards vocals do you adjust eq at recording stage or would you leave the eq alone untill mixdown? The way i'm thinking; If i were to adjust eq at recording stage and get it close to where i want it, it would be closer to the sound i want when i eq itb? Do you think most proffessional studios add eq at recording stage?

14th September 2008, 05:39 PM	#1644
MikeHolloway Gear interested Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 7	Absolutely Fantastic!! Well, after a couple of days of playing around (and some handy advice from this thread - cheers guys ) I've finally got my head around routing, using the n12 with existing projects & recording new ones and I have to say I haven't been this impressed with a piece of kit since I traded my G5 for a new iMac. The n12 is - to use an overworked term - AWESOME!! I normally use group channels in Cubase to help with mixing but I've found that with careful routing from the C4 mixer to the n12 I don't need them anymore and the results are sounding so much better than the ITB mixes I'd already done. It operates in a completely different way than I'd expected and that took some mental adjustment. Simple things like reducing all the levels in the C4 mixer to a safe level below clipping and then letting the n12 handle the actual mix levels, routing guitars with the same panning settings to the same fader on the n12 (setting their relative levels in C4 and then their mix level on the n12)............ I've also noticed that in Guitar Rig, guitars sound more 'real' when the guitar signal has been recorded via the n12 than they did before and for bass guitar the compressor & EQ really give a polished and punchy sound. OK, I'm going on a bit now but I am very very pleased (plus mine was an absolute bargain - B-stock @ £579). Cheers again for the help. M

14th September 2008, 05:52 PM	#1646
trock Lives for gear Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 663	quick question on mixing back out thru the n12 say you have done your mix in cubase with automation on faders etc and most of them are not near 0db i take it summing for the most part is sendin your mix as stems back out thru the 8 mono and 2 stereo track on the n12, so you apply group channels in cubase accordinglyl and on the n12 you can use comp, eq, verb, etc but you would not want to touch the faders at their postion of 0 basically what fader is taking over mixing thru the n12? are my levels and auto in cubase? or does the hardware fader on the n12 change those levels? __________________ www.timmallick.com

14th September 2008, 06:04 PM	#1647
betahifidelity Gear interested Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 17	n12 newbie Hi George, I am using a cheap Behringer condenser mic and i think its spoiling the signal to be honest. I have a good singing range and can hold a note (i have melodyne etc anyway) but there is a slight nasal frequency around the mid range that i always have had to remove/cut from my vocals. I do find the n12 mid sweep very usefull in cutting that frequncy down and reducing the work later on during itb eqing etc. I was just wondering if that would be a colmon practise? But yes i have to be carefull not to over do it.Thanks again.