Yamaha n Series

[Geosync]

Sent mustream a PM

Here is his problem .

Initially , the Graphic Patchbay thinks it's an AI driver automatically connecting
the 1 n8.
All of the inputs are available, but the extra outputs from the computer
are selectable. Once he opens the computer icon, he can select the number of outputs he wants.
For 2 n8s , that would be 24

Later..

[xx/xy]

Originally Posted by xx/xy

Here's another issue to throw into the mix. I got hold of my new N8 today, and have been hugely impressed except for one major issue: both of the headphone outputs (CR and aux) seem to output a quiet but audible high-frequency hum when they're set around the 50% volume mark. It fades out when I turn the level up towards 100% or down towards 0, but it's clearly there, even when all inputs are disabled.

I contacted Yamaha UK tech support about this, who confirmed that this is indeed a fault. The retailer (Dolphin Music, who I can't recommend highly enough) arranged to courier the unit back, and I received a new N8 within a week. No noise on either of the headphone outputs, so looks like it was indeed an issue just with the old unit.

Problem solved! Now onto creating some music...

[trock]

hmmmm

thats interesting, i hear that also, or a staticy type sound out both headphones AND when i turn the main volume knob up for my speakers, thru the speakers that goes up and down with the knob

with the big knob i had off the RME i didn't have that

wonder if thats a problem in the unit?? thats something i have no idea how to troubleshoot though

[mustream]

Thanks alot George. I tried what you told me and everything is working now. I am able to use both mixers as one and Record everything in one Stereo File.


Thanks a Mill...... You are the Best.........!!!!!!!!


Up to Heaven!!!!!!!!!!!!

[xx/xy]

Originally Posted by trock

thats interesting, i hear that also, or a staticy type sound out both headphones AND when i turn the main volume knob up for my speakers, thru the speakers that goes up and down with the knob

This was a very high-frequency whistle, rather than static, and only audible on the headphone outputs (AUX and CR) when their gain was set around 50% - it faded away again as the gain was increased towards 100%. Strange. It also happened when the gain was set to 0 on every one of the inputs, with no inputs connected including Firewire.

I had a good response from Yamaha's tech support, who asked me to make a sound recording of the problem and send them the wav file for analysis. If you think this is a fault, I recommend getting in touch with them (or George might be able to point you in the right direction...)

[trock]

Guys, no need to worry i figured it out, its the noise from my gear connected to the N12. when i turned OFF the button to the tracks that i have gear connected to

POD - 9/10
Triton - 11/12
LA610 - 3 insert
quartet - 2 insert
thorax - 1 insert

the sound goes away and its dead quiet, so what sucks and its not the n12 is that noise from those connections, not sure what to do about that or if its even being recorded when i use that gear but its def noticeable and i am hoping to get rid of it maybe with some new cables or something??

anyway, i wanted to let you know that its not the n12, unless its from the ports on the N12?? i might try plugging this gear into a friends Maudio device and see if its staticy thru it

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by trock

anyway, i wanted to let you know that its not the n12, unless its from the ports on the N12?? i might try plugging this gear into a friends Maudio device and see if its staticy thru it

The n12 has such high gain and ridiculously low noise, that you are now hearing things you have not heard before.
Remember, gain staging. Most synths and tone modules (pods too) use digital volume.
If they do the more you bring down the volume knob, the less bits you use.
Suggestion..... Turn your modules all the way up and adjust the n12's input trim or pad to set the input level with the channel fader at 0.
Don't forget that your EQ and Morph compressor Drive will also be effected by gain staging as well.

No stage in the signal chain should be low or high.

[trock]

good points george, and something i haven't thought about yet

i will fiddle around with the volums on this stuff along with the n12 do minimize this static like sound. just never thought about it but i need to find the sweet spot for all of this

[smoke]

Originally Posted by Geosync

The n12 has such high gain and ridiculously low noise, that you are now hearing things you have not heard before.

Worth repeating. True on many levels.

Curious, where do you guys keep your DAW to ST positioned? Unity? And do you always keep it there?

[Geosync]

The long awaited MAC driver that allows multiple n series or n series and mLAN is available for download HERE

The driver is VERY stable, low latency, less CPU overhead, plays nice with 8 Core machines and has many advantages over the current AI driver.

[lazi]

The long awaited MAC driver that allows multiple n series or n series and mLAN is available for download HERE

The driver is VERY stable, low latency, less CPU overhead, plays nice with 8 Core machines and has many advantages over the current AI driver.

that's what i'm talking bout!!! was just about to start bugging you about it... looks like a new mac is in my near future. out with the pc in with the mac...

[smoke]

Is this for everyone? (PowerMac G5) I don't really know what mlan is, and have never needed to know. Just 1 N12.

[Geosync]

Yes for all.

HERE is a good link on the 01Xray forum.

You don't need to change but like I said it clears up a lot of issues that many have had.
If you are happy no need to change :)

[RCH]

George, your last answer to my q about installing the AI driver was just dandy, but I'm an idiot when it comes to what should be simple stuff.

SO, installing the AI driver and Steinberg extensions off the CDROM I get. But, I also get that I need to install the latest updates. Now, do I install the stuff off the CDROM Tools for "n" first and then install the updates, or can I take the updates I've downloaded from Yamahasynth.com and install them directly?

I've got three folders on my desktop. AI v 1.1.3, IEEE1394 Firmware updater v1.05, and extensions for Steinberg DAW 1.3.0.

I've connected the N12 to the Mac via firewire and nothing else. NO power to the N12.
So, do I install off the CD first and then apply the updates? And, if so, how and where do I apply the updates?

Sorry to be so obtuse. I've already installed and updated Cubase Studio 4 to 4.1.3.

Thanks again for your continued presence on this forum. It was your personal touch that convinced me to buy the N12. Not that I ever thought I'd be troubling you with such mundane questions...

In the words of the late. great Phil Hartman: "I'm just a caveman! Your world frightens and confuses me!"

[lazi]

watched the videos on the mr816 on steinberg.net.... hmmm...

big question right now... what's probably the best way to go about using a hardware delay with 2 n12's? i really don't want to use any inputs as the returns and if there is a way i might even want to use 2 different delay units. one for each n12. im also thinking about this without the use of the computer. i could however consider the use my 01v96. in fact using the 01v's effects engine might even be a good idea.

havent had a chance to check this but i was also wondering if the 1/4" inputs and the rca inputs on the stereo channels can be use at the same time. if so is there any downside to using both at the same time?

So much gear, so little time!

[Geosync]

WOW that's a lot of information. Let me see if I can distill it to answer your questions...




I've got three folders on my desktop. AI v 1.1.3, IEEE1394 Firmware updater v1.05, and extensions for Steinberg DAW 1.3.0.

I suggest you download the mLAN driver 1.1.4. (Notice 1.1.4 vs 1.1.3? ) It contains the AI Driver AND the other Firewire drivers in one nice package.

I've connected the N12 to the Mac via firewire and nothing else. NO power to the N12.

Correct, once you install AI 1.1.3 or mLAN 1.1.4, update the firmware (If needed)

All Diver updates are self contained and do not require CD ROMs or previous versions installed.



So, do I install off the CD first and then apply the updates? And, if so, how and where do I apply the updates?

Actually, everything on the CD ROM is outdated and not required..

Sorry to be so obtuse. I've already installed and updated Cubase Studio 4 to 4.1.3.

Guess what, as of Aug 28th, all Cubase products, including Cubase AI has been upgraded to 4.5.1 and is available for free download at Steinberg.net.
There is also a TON of plug-in content to download . Pretty soon there will be a new version of Steinberg extensions too.

[Geosync]

big question right now... what's probably the best way to go about using a hardware delay with 2 n12's? i really don't want to use any inputs as the returns and if there is a way i might even want to use 2 different delay units. one for each n12. im also thinking about this without the use of the computer. i could however consider the use my 01v96. in fact using the 01v's effects engine might even be a good idea.

You'll have to break this down into more specific chunks... I don't understand the question Give us an example

wondering if the 1/4" inputs and the rca inputs on the stereo channels can be use at the same time. if so is there any downside to using both at the same time?

Yes they are mixed before the gain knob (page 20 owner's manual)

[johnnyz]

Loaded the new driver for my n12,and now its running even better than before,thanks geosync!I am on a macpro 2.8 octacore. jz

[Geosync]

Thanks for the feedback we've been waiting to hear from the 8 core guys.
You pioneers have had all sorts of problems, We wanted Yamaha products NOT to be one of them ;)

[zenguan88]

hi geroge i would like to know if i could connect external devices such as compressor to my yamaha n12. you see i had the yamaha n12, and would had just purchase a pair of Retro Gates STA, how can i route it out to have the compressor on my mix bus, and i would like to record the mod signal back again to my DAW, is there a way for me to do that? could yyou elaborate on this? ;)

[soundrage]

Originally Posted by zenguan88

hi geroge i would like to know if i could connect external devices such as compressor to my yamaha n12. you see i had the yamaha n12, and would had just purchase a pair of Retro Gates STA, how can i route it out to have the compressor on my mix bus, and i would like to record the mod signal back again to my DAW, is there a way for me to do that? could yyou elaborate on this? ;)

This from a previous post in the thread....

hi guys - just worked out how to strap a compressor across your master mix using the N12. took a bit of figuring (this machine has amazing depths!) but in case anyone's interested - here's how i did it.

1. make sure nothing in your mix is going to the DAW channel in the N12 (this is output N12 L/R).
2. insert a new stereo track in cubase and set it's input as N12 stereo (N12-ST) and set its output to the DAW channel (N12-L/R).
3. Switch off the switch by the DAW volume pot which sends the signal to the stereo buss.
4. insert a compressor/limiter/eq or whatever on the stereo channel you created and then switch on the live monitor button.
5. on the N12 control room monitor section, switch to the DAW monitor switch - now you can hear the mix with the vst effects you inserted on the stero track you made. switch back to the stereo monitor input to hear it without.


Oh, this is for VST.

Have to think about this in how to use an outboard comp.

[lazi]

my first question is basically about a good way to to use a external delay with the n12(s). if i'm sending to a delay unit using the aux send then what would be the better way to return the signal to the n12. i decided that using a stereo channel would probably be the best way but i'd rather not so im guessing that the stereo input is the other option.

im also considering routing (digitally) each of my n12's to 01v96 (or motif xs) to take advantage of the effects inside. just trying to figure out what routing options would be best for me to use. this one i may have to sit down and just work through but i haven't had much time.

basically i want to be able to use the 2 n12 units together with external effects and still not tie up any of my 24 input channels. i use a lot of midi instruments and would like to set a rough mix with a delay that i can track and the finalize right back from cubase. it seems i have quite a few options and maybe trying a few things is best.

[zenguan88]

I would be deeply sadden to know that it couldnt work with outboard gears such as compressor reverb units etc. I literally tried going through the manual but hadnt find a way to do so yet.

isnt n12 suppose to be an analogue/digital console? i guess its more limited to the digital domain isnt it so? Not that i am saying the gear isnt good. I absolutely finds the preamps to be very clean. That caught me by surprise. But the flexibility with outboard gears seems lacking.

:c

someone please tell me that this works :c!

[soundrage]

Originally Posted by zenguan88

I would be deeply sadden to know that it couldnt work with outboard gears such as compressor reverb units etc. I literally tried going through the manual but hadnt find a way to do so yet.

isnt n12 suppose to be an analogue/digital console? i guess its more limited to the digital domain isnt it so? Not that i am saying the gear isnt good. I absolutely finds the preamps to be very clean. That caught me by surprise. But the flexibility with outboard gears seems lacking.

:c

someone please tell me that this works :c!

I’ve used a couple different preamps with the n12. The insert is directly before the A/D. Now that I think about it I ran my Joe Meek pre and Meek compressor in to the n12. I have not ran an external compressor by itself in to the n12. But isn’t that what inserts are used for? I don’t have an external hardware reverb unit but all you would need to do is use an insert.

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by zenguan88

hi geroge i would like to know if i could connect external devices such as compressor to my yamaha n12. you see i had the yamaha n12, and would had just purchase a pair of Retro Gates STA, how can i route it out to have the compressor on my mix bus, and i would like to record the mod signal back again to my DAW, is there a way for me to do that? could yyou elaborate on this? ;)

Send the mix to channel 1/2 insert compressor on the channels
send to ST bus out
send ST to compressors
return compressors to 9/10 and enable REC button
Record the REC bus

[zenguan88]

Originally Posted by Geosync

Send the mix to channel 1/2 insert compressor on the channels
send to ST bus out
send ST to compressors
return compressors to 9/10 and enable REC button
Record the REC bus

Hi Geosync

thanks for your reply. please do correct me if i am wrong here :)
so i...
1) put my compressor on channel 1-2.
2) Click on "ST" on my n12 channel strip 1-2.
3) ST Output -> Compressor IN -> Compressor OUT -> Input 9/10
4) click on "record" on channel strip 9-10
5) Record the bus.

did i miss up any thing? :)

[jdvmi]

I just received my n12 the other day, and I must say I think I'm really going to love this piece of kit

Question: I'm not really sure I understand why someone would buy the new MR816 CSX over something like the n12? I think I'm probably missing something, but the n12 seems to offer more bang for the buck. I think if I needed more channels I would just buy another n12 over the MR816 CSX, what am I missing?

[betahifidelity]

Hi, After reading great reviews i have just bought a Yamaha N12 Firewire mixer/interface. Im finding the manual not quite as transparent as it should be and im having difficulty performing tasks, can anybody help? With any new piece of gear i set myself little tasks to find myself around the item and i am just at a very basic stage with the N12, i only got it yeaterday. Im having trouble mixing down from cubase into the n12 and back into cubase. I am just testing with one mono vocal on one track because if i can send/return one track successfully i could send them all? Heres my track settings; Input n12 dir 1, output n12 1. On the n12, hardware mix, daw mode, l/r, channel 1 and stereo on. The equalizers are working on that channel but i have got no fader control of that channel while mixing, not automated odviously (level). Due to me not being able to mix i cannot mix down, can anybody help this newb? Step by step would be appreciated as im new to outboard mixers

[zenguan88]

I also do have a problem :c.

I connect my monitor's to the input of (L/R) in the C-R Out Section. However although there is input coming in, i can see this via the led popping up and down the master level meter, there is no sound coming out from my monitor.

However when i switch my cables to ST OUT sound starts coming out from my monitor :C

why is that so :C!