Yamaha n Series

[smoke]

Is this for everyone? (PowerMac G5) I don't really know what mlan is, and have never needed to know. Just 1 N12.

[Geosync]

Yes for all.

HERE is a good link on the 01Xray forum.

You don't need to change but like I said it clears up a lot of issues that many have had.
If you are happy no need to change

[RCH]

George, your last answer to my q about installing the AI driver was just dandy, but I'm an idiot when it comes to what should be simple stuff.

SO, installing the AI driver and Steinberg extensions off the CDROM I get. But, I also get that I need to install the latest updates. Now, do I install the stuff off the CDROM Tools for "n" first and then install the updates, or can I take the updates I've downloaded from Yamahasynth.com and install them directly?

I've got three folders on my desktop. AI v 1.1.3, IEEE1394 Firmware updater v1.05, and extensions for Steinberg DAW 1.3.0.

I've connected the N12 to the Mac via firewire and nothing else. NO power to the N12.
So, do I install off the CD first and then apply the updates? And, if so, how and where do I apply the updates?

Sorry to be so obtuse. I've already installed and updated Cubase Studio 4 to 4.1.3.

Thanks again for your continued presence on this forum. It was your personal touch that convinced me to buy the N12. Not that I ever thought I'd be troubling you with such mundane questions...

In the words of the late. great Phil Hartman: "I'm just a caveman! Your world frightens and confuses me!"

[lazi]

watched the videos on the mr816 on steinberg.net.... hmmm...

big question right now... what's probably the best way to go about using a hardware delay with 2 n12's? i really don't want to use any inputs as the returns and if there is a way i might even want to use 2 different delay units. one for each n12. im also thinking about this without the use of the computer. i could however consider the use my 01v96. in fact using the 01v's effects engine might even be a good idea.

havent had a chance to check this but i was also wondering if the 1/4" inputs and the rca inputs on the stereo channels can be use at the same time. if so is there any downside to using both at the same time?

So much gear, so little time!

[Geosync]

WOW that's a lot of information. Let me see if I can distill it to answer your questions...




I've got three folders on my desktop. AI v 1.1.3, IEEE1394 Firmware updater v1.05, and extensions for Steinberg DAW 1.3.0.

I suggest you download the mLAN driver 1.1.4. (Notice 1.1.4 vs 1.1.3? ) It contains the AI Driver AND the other Firewire drivers in one nice package.

I've connected the N12 to the Mac via firewire and nothing else. NO power to the N12.

Correct, once you install AI 1.1.3 or mLAN 1.1.4, update the firmware (If needed)

All Diver updates are self contained and do not require CD ROMs or previous versions installed.



So, do I install off the CD first and then apply the updates? And, if so, how and where do I apply the updates?

Actually, everything on the CD ROM is outdated and not required..

Sorry to be so obtuse. I've already installed and updated Cubase Studio 4 to 4.1.3.

Guess what, as of Aug 28th, all Cubase products, including Cubase AI has been upgraded to 4.5.1 and is available for free download at Steinberg.net.
There is also a TON of plug-in content to download . Pretty soon there will be a new version of Steinberg extensions too.

[Geosync]

big question right now... what's probably the best way to go about using a hardware delay with 2 n12's? i really don't want to use any inputs as the returns and if there is a way i might even want to use 2 different delay units. one for each n12. im also thinking about this without the use of the computer. i could however consider the use my 01v96. in fact using the 01v's effects engine might even be a good idea.

You'll have to break this down into more specific chunks... I don't understand the question Give us an example

wondering if the 1/4" inputs and the rca inputs on the stereo channels can be use at the same time. if so is there any downside to using both at the same time?

Yes they are mixed before the gain knob (page 20 owner's manual)

[johnnyz]

Loaded the new driver for my n12,and now its running even better than before,thanks geosync!I am on a macpro 2.8 octacore.thumbsup jz

[Geosync]

Thanks for the feedback we've been waiting to hear from the 8 core guys.
You pioneers have had all sorts of problems, We wanted Yamaha products NOT to be one of them

[zenguan88]

hi geroge i would like to know if i could connect external devices such as compressor to my yamaha n12. you see i had the yamaha n12, and would had just purchase a pair of Retro Gates STA, how can i route it out to have the compressor on my mix bus, and i would like to record the mod signal back again to my DAW, is there a way for me to do that? could yyou elaborate on this?

[soundrage]

Originally Posted by zenguan88

hi geroge i would like to know if i could connect external devices such as compressor to my yamaha n12. you see i had the yamaha n12, and would had just purchase a pair of Retro Gates STA, how can i route it out to have the compressor on my mix bus, and i would like to record the mod signal back again to my DAW, is there a way for me to do that? could yyou elaborate on this?

This from a previous post in the thread....

hi guys - just worked out how to strap a compressor across your master mix using the N12. took a bit of figuring (this machine has amazing depths!) but in case anyone's interested - here's how i did it.

1. make sure nothing in your mix is going to the DAW channel in the N12 (this is output N12 L/R).
2. insert a new stereo track in cubase and set it's input as N12 stereo (N12-ST) and set its output to the DAW channel (N12-L/R).
3. Switch off the switch by the DAW volume pot which sends the signal to the stereo buss.
4. insert a compressor/limiter/eq or whatever on the stereo channel you created and then switch on the live monitor button.
5. on the N12 control room monitor section, switch to the DAW monitor switch - now you can hear the mix with the vst effects you inserted on the stero track you made. switch back to the stereo monitor input to hear it without.


Oh, this is for VST.

Have to think about this in how to use an outboard comp.

[lazi]

my first question is basically about a good way to to use a external delay with the n12(s). if i'm sending to a delay unit using the aux send then what would be the better way to return the signal to the n12. i decided that using a stereo channel would probably be the best way but i'd rather not so im guessing that the stereo input is the other option.

im also considering routing (digitally) each of my n12's to 01v96 (or motif xs) to take advantage of the effects inside. just trying to figure out what routing options would be best for me to use. this one i may have to sit down and just work through but i haven't had much time.

basically i want to be able to use the 2 n12 units together with external effects and still not tie up any of my 24 input channels. i use a lot of midi instruments and would like to set a rough mix with a delay that i can track and the finalize right back from cubase. it seems i have quite a few options and maybe trying a few things is best.

[zenguan88]

I would be deeply sadden to know that it couldnt work with outboard gears such as compressor reverb units etc. I literally tried going through the manual but hadnt find a way to do so yet.

isnt n12 suppose to be an analogue/digital console? i guess its more limited to the digital domain isnt it so? Not that i am saying the gear isnt good. I absolutely finds the preamps to be very clean. That caught me by surprise. But the flexibility with outboard gears seems lacking.

:c

someone please tell me that this works :c!

[soundrage]

Originally Posted by zenguan88

I would be deeply sadden to know that it couldnt work with outboard gears such as compressor reverb units etc. I literally tried going through the manual but hadnt find a way to do so yet.

isnt n12 suppose to be an analogue/digital console? i guess its more limited to the digital domain isnt it so? Not that i am saying the gear isnt good. I absolutely finds the preamps to be very clean. That caught me by surprise. But the flexibility with outboard gears seems lacking.

:c

someone please tell me that this works :c!

I’ve used a couple different preamps with the n12. The insert is directly before the A/D. Now that I think about it I ran my Joe Meek pre and Meek compressor in to the n12. I have not ran an external compressor by itself in to the n12. But isn’t that what inserts are used for? I don’t have an external hardware reverb unit but all you would need to do is use an insert.

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by zenguan88

hi geroge i would like to know if i could connect external devices such as compressor to my yamaha n12. you see i had the yamaha n12, and would had just purchase a pair of Retro Gates STA, how can i route it out to have the compressor on my mix bus, and i would like to record the mod signal back again to my DAW, is there a way for me to do that? could yyou elaborate on this?

Send the mix to channel 1/2 insert compressor on the channels
send to ST bus out
send ST to compressors
return compressors to 9/10 and enable REC button
Record the REC bus

[zenguan88]

Originally Posted by Geosync

Send the mix to channel 1/2 insert compressor on the channels
send to ST bus out
send ST to compressors
return compressors to 9/10 and enable REC button
Record the REC bus

Hi Geosync

thanks for your reply. please do correct me if i am wrong here
so i...
1) put my compressor on channel 1-2.
2) Click on "ST" on my n12 channel strip 1-2.
3) ST Output -> Compressor IN -> Compressor OUT -> Input 9/10
4) click on "record" on channel strip 9-10
5) Record the bus.

did i miss up any thing?

[jdvmi]

I just received my n12 the other day, and I must say I think I'm really going to love this piece of kit thumbsup

Question: I'm not really sure I understand why someone would buy the new MR816 CSX over something like the n12? I think I'm probably missing something, but the n12 seems to offer more bang for the buck. I think if I needed more channels I would just buy another n12 over the MR816 CSX, what am I missing?

[betahifidelity]

Hi, After reading great reviews i have just bought a Yamaha N12 Firewire mixer/interface. Im finding the manual not quite as transparent as it should be and im having difficulty performing tasks, can anybody help? With any new piece of gear i set myself little tasks to find myself around the item and i am just at a very basic stage with the N12, i only got it yeaterday. Im having trouble mixing down from cubase into the n12 and back into cubase. I am just testing with one mono vocal on one track because if i can send/return one track successfully i could send them all? Heres my track settings; Input n12 dir 1, output n12 1. On the n12, hardware mix, daw mode, l/r, channel 1 and stereo on. The equalizers are working on that channel but i have got no fader control of that channel while mixing, not automated odviously (level). Due to me not being able to mix i cannot mix down, can anybody help this newb? Step by step would be appreciated as im new to outboard mixers

[zenguan88]

I also do have a problem :c.

I connect my monitor's to the input of (L/R) in the C-R Out Section. However although there is input coming in, i can see this via the led popping up and down the master level meter, there is no sound coming out from my monitor.

However when i switch my cables to ST OUT sound starts coming out from my monitor :C

why is that so :C!

[trock]

hey beta, when you push in the REC button on the N12 on channel 1 that should trigger it to send to the REC buss, then in cubase open another stereo audio track and click REC for the incoming and record

[betahifidelity]

Hi Trock, Thank you my friend i have been scratching my head all day. I tried the manual several times but kept getting nowhere, im not blaming the manual its my inexperience probably. I wonder how things would work if i wanted to mixdown all ten channels and put them thru n12 to cubase. On this example i just used channel 1 for the file and channel 2 for record? Ive got a bigger learning curve than i thought i would have to be honest. In the long run i'm sure that would prove well worth it. My vst's sound ten times better and so do my vocals. I'm glad i went for this over the rme800, i certainly think its more bang for buck. As i said before though ive got a fairly steep learing curve, its lack of cubase mixer and n12 mixer knowledge. Anyway thanks M8

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by zenguan88

I also do have a problem :c.

I connect my monitor's to the input of (L/R) in the C-R Out Section. However although there is input coming in, i can see this via the led popping up and down the master level meter, there is no sound coming out from my monitor.

However when i switch my cables to ST OUT sound starts coming out from my monitor :C

why is that so :C!

Not sure of your setting on your control room settings...

1st Row selects Control Room Speaker Output selection A, B or C you can have 3 Sets of Speakers that you switch between of a 5.1 rig..

2nd Row selects the "Source" of what you want to listen to..
5.1 Bus from Cubase,
DAW main out (mLAN 15&16),
ST Bus (you can also send the DAW to ST bus and adjust it's volume.. 2nd knob above the red ST Fader)
AUX bus
2TR input (you can also send the 2TR to ST bus and adjust it's volume.. 3rd knob above the red ST Fader)

By selecting the correct speaker and the correct source you can monitoe any bus in or out of the n12...

If you are trying to monitor the ST bus, make sure you have it turned on (Button above the red ST Fader)

[betahifidelity]

Hi, im getting used to this great mixer and i have another newbie question. O.k, yesterday i learned how to take a channel off cubase and run it through the n12 and back into cubase to recors a stereo file. I love the additional eq options this brings not to mention the reverbs etc. My newbie question is; Whilst summing through cubase i can see the channel strip light up on that channel (ch1) but i have no control over the level with that fader. How do i get fader control of that channel? Whilst summing and general use the n12 is in aux mode, is this correct. Help very much appreciated

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by betahifidelity

Hi, im getting used to this great mixer and i have another newbie question. O.k, yesterday i learned how to take a channel off cubase and run it through the n12 and back into cubase to recors a stereo file. I love the additional eq options this brings not to mention the reverbs etc. My newbie question is; Whilst summing through cubase i can see the channel strip light up on that channel (ch1) but i have no control over the level with that fader. How do i get fader control of that channel? Whilst summing and general use the n12 is in aux mode, is this correct. Help very much appreciated

There are 3 ways that a signal goes from the n12 to Cubase

1 Direct out (Pre Fader)
2: REC bus (Post fader... you can control the volume)
3: ST bus (Post fader... you can control the volume)

You want to bring in all the channels and SUM them to the ST or REC bus

I like to use both the ST bus Dry and assign the REV to the REC bus Wet

That's just me.

[betahifidelity]

Thank you Kindly George that has put me in the right direction. On another thought, is it possible to playback a midi vst track from cubase through the n12 and record that as a stereo file? Sorry for the extremely basic questions and congratulations on the N12 product!

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by betahifidelity

Thank you Kindly George that has put me in the right direction. On another thought, is it possible to playback a midi vst track from cubase through the n12 and record that as a stereo file? Sorry for the extremely basic questions and congratulations on the N12 product!

Yes, the easiest way is to use send 2 assigned to a channel input
send one is the DAW input now...

Testing new drivers for another project so I may be out of touch for a bit

The guys here can help you though they rawk !!

[jdvmi]

Originally Posted by betahifidelity

Thank you Kindly George that has put me in the right direction. On another thought, is it possible to playback a midi vst track from cubase through the n12 and record that as a stereo file? Sorry for the extremely basic questions and congratulations on the N12 product!

Yes, that is possible. If I understand you correctly. I believe what you are asking is if you can record the audio that is output from a vsti going through the n12 and into Cubase.

[betahifidelity]

Hi, Thanks for the replies, yes that i what i mean. How would i send the vst track then, just through the send part on the vst track? There must be many possibility's but i find that very usefull indeed, being able to send vst instruments through the hardware eq and compressor. I have never used a harware compressor before but the n12 compressor is brilliant.

[smoke]

The simplest way is just to turn Hardware MIX on 1st, before you load the project. Inside the project, go to VST connections.

-Under INPUT tab, select the channel you want to use (N12 Direct Out 1 and 2, for ex.) Under OUTPUT make sure N12 Monitor or N12 Aux is selected, depending on your setup.

-On the Cubase mixer, just set the output routing at the top of VST channel to N12 1 and 2.

-N12: Make sure the ON light is on. Make sure either ST or REC is lit. Make sure STEREO buss is lit ON.

-Back to the Cubase mixer. If you want to route a send to the N12, create send or FX buss. Send VST channel to the send. Disconnect the Output routing from N12 1 and 2. Instead set the send or FX buss output to N12 1 and 2.

-Or send several VST channels to that group. Now you have a buss going into 1 and 2.

-Go back to VST connections. add + input 11/12.

-Change the group output to 11/12. Make sure 11/12 ON light is on, and ST or REC is lit. Now you have a STEREO buss (with no compression ...ahem There's a blank SQUARE where 4 more knobs could FIT argh LOL just kidding George)

...

The way I bounce my VSTs back... I patch the output from the back of the N12 into the RCA input of 9/10 (A.IN selected). So the output of 11/12 goes to Stereo. Stereo goes into 9/10. Use the Stereo Master fader into the GAIN of 9/10, and check the input of Cubase IN channel for overs. This sounds better than the standard REC buss IMO. Furthermore, I take that resulting audio mixdown. Send that BACK thru 11/12 Hardware mix. Add UAD compression and EQ sweetening, tad bit of N12 90 hz small boost, bit of high cut so it's not so "digital", limit it. Then Cubase Export. They are the loudest, clearest bounces I have ever made. In some cases room to go louder. I usually roll back on the 10 khz just a tad to let back on any harshness, and I'm sounding a lot better with this method. I actually haven't done a full hardware mix in awhile (with all cubase channels going to separate N12 channels) it's actually still too much effort for the way I work, and the 2 mixes I did that way came out slightly bright for the type of stuff I do.

BTW If you want to use Sweet Spot compression going back in with the above method, just patch L & R from Stereo out to mono channels accordingly. However the stereo image of the mix will fall flat. I have not figured out how to go back in using the N12 compression and keep the mix correct.

[MikeHolloway]

Hi All

I've just taken delivery of a shiny new n12 which I'm very pleased with so far but I have a bit of a problem which I'm sure will have been covered in this thread already but I'm not sure what key words to search for. I'm using Cubase 4.5.2 and have installed the latest AI driver & Cubase extensions so if I start a new project with an n12 template all the inputs/outputs route correctly but if I open an existing project I get channel names/numbers which don't seem to directly correlate with the mixer channels and frequently I can only access some of these in VST connections even though they all show up in the device manager. With a bit of fiddling about though they sometimes reassign to corresponding mixer channels (so 1=1, 2=2 etc).

Is there an easy way to fix this? If this has been covered earlier can someone that's been following the thread point me to roughly the right page?

Thanks

Mike

[grame99]

at the back of the manual there is a chart showing which inputs correspond to which N12 channel for people who use other sequencesrs or earlier versions of cubase. i think input one is channel six or something - its not what you expect.