Yamaha n Series

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by Blister

Sounds like mLan issues of old are back to haunt us...

I talked with Tim, we believe it was user error

there are many hundreds of n users and thousands of Motif XS users using the driver
with NO , NONE , NADA, ZIP problems...

Sorry, I want to stop any rumor before it starts.....

[Blister]

Originally Posted by Geosync

I talked with Tim, we believe it was user error

there are many hundreds of n users and thousands of Motif XS users using the driver
with NO , NONE , NADA, ZIP problems...

Sorry, I want to stop any rumor before it starts.....

Hey, I'm happy to hear it.

I got one too.

Go team .

[Geosync]

1: Have you tried it stand-alone without connection to a computer?
2:Are you using a 4pin or 6pin FW host connector?
3: If you have one, try another FW cable...
3: Contact UK service, there may be a known solution for noise in the UK I think there were issues with the 01X and i88X grounding but I can't state that for fact.

[trock]

WHOA!

thanks so much GEORGE! that worked and everything is back to normal!! that was sweet

for any of you who might run into this, i am not sure how it happened but i was shutting the N12 down with the PC on etc and it got flaky, like i described above. some tracks not exporting in projects, no media player playing the files once exported

called george! YEA! and he walked me thru a couple of things to try and BAM! all perfect again

so here is what to do

1) hard reset the N12

- on power up hold in the MUTE, ST, and 2TR buttons for a second or so, release them and it will go thru a hard reset!

that probably did it, but George also said to try shutting the PC down before turning off the n12, will do that

and/or turn off the driver to the N12 prior to turning off the PC

SWEET! that hard reset thing is great info! its not in the manual, i don't think

thanks a TON GEORGE!!

[MichaelPatrick]

I'm a Cubase 4 user. The N12's features and layout make it the first digital board I've ever considered buying.

Question: What are the converters like?

I have Lynx Auroras, Cranesong, Alesis HD24XR, Benchmark DAC1.

How do Yamaha's N12 converters compare with others that are known and respected?

[trock]

Hi Michael

I had an RME FF 800 so not in the league you have or have used, but very good nontheless. I sold the RME after about a week with the N12, the N12 not only offers ALOT more capability than just and AD/DA box but the sound was equally as good, IF not better than the RME was

however i have also wondered, and i think this was answered back somewhere, that if i bought something like the new prism orpheus that i couldn't use it with the N12 due a lack of SPDIF or optical port.

[sirthought]

Originally Posted by MichaelPatrick

I'm a Cubase 4 user. The N12's features and layout make it the first digital board I've ever considered buying.

Question: What are the converters like?

I have Lynx Auroras, Cranesong, Alesis HD24XR, Benchmark DAC1.

How do Yamaha's N12 converters compare with others that are known and respected?

I have no way of knowing, but my guess is the target market for the n12 is slightly different than something like the Lynx, so current owners might not have the experience to offer an opinion. The market, however, may changing more toward the hybrids because the price and versatility of something like an n12, or the upcoming A&H ZED R16, make so much sense.

The bottom line I'm hearing from n12 owners is that they are hearing their mixes clearer than ever. The sound seems to be a hit.

[MichaelPatrick]

Originally Posted by sirthought

I have no way of knowing, but ...

The bottom line I'm hearing from n12 owners is that they are hearing their mixes clearer than ever. The sound seems to be a hit.

Yes, I'm hearing the same thing.

All the good chatter makes me wonder if it's one of those rare pieces that performs way above its price, like the Alesis HD24XR.

[Blister]

Originally Posted by MichaelPatrick

I'm a Cubase 4 user. The N12's features and layout make it the first digital board I've ever considered buying.

Question: What are the converters like?

I have Lynx Auroras, Cranesong, Alesis HD24XR, Benchmark DAC1.

How do Yamaha's N12 converters compare with others that are known and respected?

Hi Michael, I'm in a similar boat... I was using a Lynx Two-B prior to the n12. The n12 blew it out of the water in just about every way IMO.

Depends what you're using it for too... For broacast etc, the Lynx would be great. It's clean, quiet etc. But has not musical depth... It produces very flat images IMO. This is true for all lynx gear IMO.

The n12 on the hand has great depth and musicality. superb imaging... Its great for music.

Good luck.

[johnnyz]

Right now i am lovin my n12 and a using my o1v96 as a
control suface for cubase would anyone have any creative wiring ideas to utilize the 01v more than just a control surface?I have my 01v96 hooked up to a m-audio lightbridge and a alesis hd24,i am on a mac g5 and i am thinking of trying the aggreated device in osx so i can use the io on the 01v96 and the n12 at the same time.jz

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by johnnyz

Right now i am lovin my n12 and a using my o1v96 as a
control suface for cubase would anyone have any creative wiring ideas to utilize the 01v more than just a control surface?I have my 01v96 hooked up to a m-audio lightbridge and a alesis hd24,i am on a mac g5 and i am thinking of trying the aggreated device in osx so i can use the io on the 01v96 and the n12 at the same time.jz

You are on the right track with aggregation..

Also consider using omni outs :
1/2 --> n12 In 9/10
3/4 --> n12 In 11/12

[johnnyz]

I never used the omni outs on my 01v,what would i be sending to the n12?submixes? effects?jz

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by johnnyz

I never used the omni outs on my 01v,what would i be sending to the n12?submixes? effects?jz

What ever you want They are "Omni Purpose"

Imagine sending 8 drum tracks outs from Cubase into the 01V sub mixing them into 4 Omni...

The biggest limitation will be your imagination.

[johnnyz]

Can i route more than 4 inputs to the n12 from the 01v96 from the omni outs and if so how?

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by johnnyz

Can i route more than 4 inputs to the n12 from the 01v96 from the omni outs and if so how?

the 01V96 has 8 unique outputs Let's use Omni Outs for the example...

I would only use 6 analog inputs to the n12 because if you use n12 Inputs 1-8
you are wasting the better audio quality of the n12...

So 9/10 , 11/12 and 2Track Input would be it for me...

Just remember in the analog world.... you can plug any output to any input (within reason ;-)....)

[kire]

I need to connect as many microphones as possible to my N12.
What do I need to connect a high impedance source like a guitar to any of the line inputs (8-12) or 2TR in? (a line box normally connect to a microphone preamp right?)
And what do I need to use the same inputs (line 8-12, 2TR in) for microphones?
Whould a STUDIO PROJECTS VTB1 preamp do the job in both cases?
(If so, would it be a good choice?)
Thanks in advance
/Kire

[soundrage]

Steinberg has all new info up on the MR816's
Details :: Steinberg Media Technologies GmbH :: www.steinberg.net

I think George said later this year you could connect one of these to an n Series.

[trock]

interesting, how would this work with an N12?? what advantages would it give you if you had it with an N12 or even 2 N12's?

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by trock

interesting, how would this work with an N12?? what advantages would it give you if you had it with an N12 or even 2 N12's?

1: Optical input and output port for 8 ADAT® digital audio streams or S/PDIF optical
2: S/PDIF coaxial input and output
3: WordClock port
4: VST editors for the Sweetspot COmpressor, REV-X and Channel strips

Just off the top of my head

[trock]

yeah i looked into it more and like the GUI for the eq, comp and stuff, thats cool

so could you use one of these with 2 n12's on xp?? or is it just 2 devices total??

and if this has SPDIF or optical could i hang a different AD/DA lie an apogee off it into the PC

good stuff coming out here!

and if they did the gui for this for the eq, comp etc couldn' the N12 also get that gui int for the strip?? very ,eq, comp etc

[soundrage]

Originally Posted by trock

and if they did the gui for this for the eq, comp etc couldn' the N12 also get that gui int for the strip?? very ,eq, comp etc

I don't know if that's possible. Isn't the Rev-x and compressor on the MR816 DSP based?

[Geosync]

could you use one of these with 2 n12's on xp?? or is it just 2 devices total??


@48K and 44.1K 3 are possible, @96K or 88.2K , only 2

could i hang a different AD/DA lie an apogee off it into the PC

Yep



couldn' the N12 also get that gui int for the strip??

The n12 and the MR816 play nice , but they are 2 different pieces and from 2 different companies ;) questions like yours have already been asked ........

Yamaha never discusses future things .....

[keith.roche]

Warm wishes to all of you. I'm new here.

Firstly, I'm here because I just cant log into motifator.com Dont know why, but I just cant access my id in motifator.
So I just had to join onto some forum to meet Geosync.

I have the n12, onto the MSP7 Studios. connected to a MacBook Pro,(2.5 Ghz Intel Core2Duo, 4 GB Ram, 250 GB Internal HDD, 500 GB External HDD )

Everything runs so smoothly on the Mac. I set up the n12 drivers etc. I get into Cubase AI4. Cubase ready lights up on the n12. I choose the n12 mutl track template.
Now here comes the first problem.

1. I connect my first condenser , Shure KSM 44. I get a very good signal from the Mic into the n12 using the built in preamp. I 'm saying this by referring to the MASTER LEVEL METER ( STEREO ) on the n12. But in Cubase, the signal is far too low.
Then to verify things, I connect my Second condenser , a Rode K2. Still the same results.
Then I decided to really push the gain knob. So when the gain is about 3/4th full I get somewhat decent level in Cubase, but then The LEVEL METER on the n12 goes from YELLOW to RED ( or say, it CLIPS) :)

I dont know if I have set it up wrong or if I'm missing something. But my problem is just that, I get very less recording levels in the Cubase.

2. My second problem is the monitoring itself. I find that there is a considerable amount of Hiss on the MSP 7 Studios when I use it with the n12. To verify if its something wrong with the MSP 7, I hooked it up directly to my Motif XS. But there its so neat and crisp.

Is it anything related to the Cables that I use ? Or is it something from the n12.
I use a TS cable, not a TRS. But Its quite short and I dont know whats causing the issue.

Recently I bought an SW 10. I connected my ST Left Right out from the n12 to the woofer and then from the woofer onto the MSP 7s. Is it the right way to do it ?
And I ask this because I really didnt have the manual to refer. It was the last piece avaiable at the showroom so I just picked it up and came back.

I reside in Doha - Qatar. But I buy all my Yamaha stuffs from UAE ( Dubai ). Yamaha Music Gulf FZE.


And regarding the n12. Even though I hav'nt recorded anything through them, I have imported some project that I was working on earlier in another system. And I must say that its just so fabulously integrated with Cubase. I'm not that much a Cubase Fan, but somehow this and my Motif XS has bought me into Cubase and I'm liking it more than anything else now. I believe that was the main intention of Yamaha in dropping the Step Sequencer from the XS. ( out of topic ) lol ! But the plan worked out well on me. Just my opinion.

Thanks and Regardz

[Geosync]

I sent you a PM we'll get you going offline..

[keith.roche]

Done !

[keith.roche]

Done ! My problem is solved guyz !

These forumz are just great ! If it wasnt for this, I'd have been stupid as I was 2 days back. :P



Thankz GeoSync

[soundrage]

Originally Posted by keith.roche

Done ! My problem is solved guyz !

These forumz are just great ! If it wasnt for this, I'd have been stupid as I was 2 days back. :P



Thankz GeoSync

What about the monitors, do they make noise?

Welcome to the awesome n series.

[tungchihyu]

Originally Posted by keith.roche

Done ! My problem is solved guyz !

These forumz are just great ! If it wasnt for this, I'd have been stupid as I was 2 days back. :P



Thankz GeoSync

How did you solve the problems? It might be helpful to share around for those having the same problems now or in the future.. :) mine works perfectly out of the box, superb quality & performance.

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by tungchihyu

How did you solve the problems? It might be helpful to share around for those having the same problems now or in the future.. :) mine works perfectly out of the box, superb quality & performance.

I just sent him a document that explains the routing of the n12 and Cubase.
No magic just repeating the same things that are in this thread.

Routing is a new concept for many who have only mixed In The Box..