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Old 14th July 2008, 03:36 PM   #1411
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NICE!!

good stuff

with all the setups and routing etc we are doing here form this thread we ought to make our own "how to" so we don't lose all this great info
I've got the Yahoo n series group page. We could put docs here. I have been meaning to go through this thread and put some things together. But if anyone has any time feel free/
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/yamahan12/files/

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Old 16th July 2008, 04:06 AM   #1412
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Phew! Now that's a long thread!

Really like how this N12's looking...just a few questions.

Has anyone tracked a four piece band, and would care to share?...Or any other tracks with the N12 and Cubase?

I've got a question about the cue mixes on this, would i accomplish that within Cubase or aux. out to a headphone amp?

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Old 16th July 2008, 06:51 PM   #1413
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I've got a question about the cue mixes on this, would i accomplish that within Cubase or aux. out to a headphone amp?


The AUX send (Analog Inputs) and the DAW (send 1 from Cubase template) are summed and will go to the AUX out to the headphone out...

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Old 17th July 2008, 04:01 AM   #1414
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Thanks George,

Any change Yamaha will make a control suface for Cubase? (sorry if you've been asked) It would sure go nice with this.

...Or an all-in-one unit would be even better.
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Old 17th July 2008, 04:35 AM   #1415
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Any change Yamaha will make a control suface for Cubase? (sorry if you've been asked) It would sure go nice with this.

...Or an all-in-one unit would be even better.
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Old 17th July 2008, 05:18 AM   #1416
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Thanks rage, couldn't say it better myself
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Old 17th July 2008, 09:02 AM   #1417
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I own my n12 for two weeks now and I like it very much, but of course there are always some weaknesses: First of all I'm missing a mono button. What about offering a software tool to make the mute button switchable between mono and mute? I don't like the aux to be strictly pre fader. In broadcast post fader is quite usefull (what about a little windows tool to switch that too?). Why can't I use the n12 inputs as Windows audio input devices - that's extremely annoying. And last but not least I'm misssing digital inputs.
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Old 17th July 2008, 04:23 PM   #1418
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Thanks rage, couldn't say it better myself
Thinkin more on the line of 8 or more faders, maybe when that unit is expanded???

Cool...There's always the Mackie control units.
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Old 17th July 2008, 04:27 PM   #1419
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remember if you have the N12 you can get something like an MCU and midi connect it to the N12 for a control surface

i have a mixed logic M24 that is midi connected to the n12 and controls all aspects of cubase, so the N12 and a control surface are the best of both worlds

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Old 17th July 2008, 10:34 PM   #1420
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remember if you have the N12 you can get something like an MCU and midi connect it to the N12 for a control surface

i have a mixed logic M24 that is midi connected to the n12 and controls all aspects of cubase, so the N12 and a control surface are the best of both worlds

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Yeah Trock...That's the ticket!

Man I'd love to see a PT's killer like this from Yamaha...Scribble text above each channel would be sweet.


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Old 18th July 2008, 01:17 AM   #1421
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PC card firewire for N12?

I have a fairly good laptop (a HP 8510w) that I could in theory use with my N12.
But unfortunately the built in firewire chipset is not supported.

Can soneome recommend a compatible PC card adapter?
(Or correct me if it's not a good idea at all to run such a PC card adapter).

Thanks for your help.

(BTW, this "supported chipsets" discussion reminds me of Windows >15 years ago or so,
how come firewire has all of these problems?)
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Old 18th July 2008, 02:53 AM   #1422
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welp just convinced a friend who has run cubase for years to get the N12! of course sweetwater is sold out AGAIN! so we have one on the next shipment in 10 days coming in!

now i gotta remember how to set it all up again!
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Old 18th July 2008, 07:39 PM   #1423
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welp just convinced a friend who has run cubase for years to get the N12! of course sweetwater is sold out AGAIN! so we have one on the next shipment in 10 days coming in!

now i gotta remember how to set it all up again!
what's to set up?

your own templates I suppose...
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Old 18th July 2008, 08:16 PM   #1424
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well yeah, i had to go back to yamaha synths and remember to get the updated driver, 1394 driver, extensions, and the sweet morph program! load them all up first and then plug it in

and then set up some custom templates

speaking of which, he has a roland VS1880 that he wants to use for the effects on board, how the hck would that get set up with the N12 and cubase to route something out to it, thru the effect and back into cubase??
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Old 18th July 2008, 10:35 PM   #1425
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[quote=trock;2668602]welp just convinced a friend who has run cubase for years to get the N12! /QUOTE]


Way to Go !!! I love it when others spread the word.
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Old 20th July 2008, 07:30 AM   #1426
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Talking N-12 preamps

Hi Geosync. How do the N12 preamps compare vs Avalon M5 or Presonus Firestudio with Imax preamps. I need a new mixer but I also need great preamps for vocals, If I can get great quailty from one machine....might as well get the N12.
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Old 20th July 2008, 04:08 PM   #1427
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Hi Geosync. How do the N12 preamps compare vs Avalon M5 or Presonus Firestudio with Imax preamps. I need a new mixer but I also need great preamps for vocals, If I can get great quailty from one machine....might as well get the N12.
When it comes to preamps, it's a matter of opinion. Others should jump in here.
What I can say is
1: They are the best mic preamps yamaha has ever made
2: They hold their own with many pres costing many times more than they cost.
3: When you use 3 or 4 different pres in a mix, you can sometimes get undesirable results, the n12 will alway keep the tracking and the mix clean, open and in phase.

Hope some of the guys will chime in again. they have previously in this thread if you search.
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Old 20th July 2008, 04:10 PM   #1428
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see what michael wagner saiys about the pres and the n12 right here on this board

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/gears...amaha-n12.html

scroll down

i love the n12 and i have some high end pieces of gear

Pendulum audio quartet
API lunch box with 512c and 560 eq
UA LA610
Sebatron thorax etc

and i have used the pre's on the N12 and they are very good, better than the ones on the RME FF 800 i had
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Old 20th July 2008, 09:11 PM   #1429
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Thanks for the info Geosync, & others also. I think I will be buying a N12 shortly.
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Old 22nd July 2008, 12:54 PM   #1430
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Wikipedia

Im looking to buy a n12, it looks great for recording drums in my personal studio.

Regarding spreading the word on how great the n12 is: What about an article in Wikipedia, with the specs, common setups, and links to reviews and misc info/articles? Right now there's nothing on Wikipedia, and it gives the impression that this isnt a well received product.

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Old 22nd July 2008, 02:14 PM   #1431
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Im looking to buy a n12, it looks great for recording drums in my personal studio.

Regarding spreading the word on how great the n12 is: What about an article in Wikipedia, with the specs, common setups, and links to reviews and misc info/articles? Right now there's nothing on Wikipedia, and it gives the impression that this isnt a well received product.

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Old 22nd July 2008, 02:43 PM   #1432
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well the n12 finally arrived today.

First impressions... TIDY. :)

Set up was EASY. mLan usually makes me feel sick, but compared with versions of yor, which I used with an i88x, this was a breeze. Worked first time.

Extensions for Cubase Studio 4 work a treat, and set up - once everything was hooked up - from install to recording was less than 15 minutes. Bargain.

I'm really impressed with quality and apparent versatility of the Morphing Compressor & RevX algorithms . Nice nice nice.

the one limitation I did find - and was also a bit annoying - was not being able to monitor a signal (say a DI guitar) while playing MP3s. I have a lot of backing tracks I practice with, and it would be another huge bonus to be able to play along with them monitoring in headphones late at night or whatever... I could do it with the i88x... :P

This is such a great product... Great Job Yamaha. I've not even read the manual yet... This thing is so intuitive and easy to use right out of the box, but maybe there is a solution to the dual monitoring problem in there? But if anyone can solve this in the mean time, feel free!

I have one question George, if you have a moment...

When the CR- source is set to DAW, and I'm recording, the live monitored signal is vastly better than the playback of the recorded signal. I was recording DI, through the HI-Z input on channel 8, as I thought this would give me the best benchmark. I had REC enabled on the track, DAW on C-R SOURCE, and A L/R speaker select, which is outputting to bluesky mediadesk 2.1 system. Am I monitoring incorrectly? Obviously I want to be hearing, pre-record, what is actually going to be layed down... Yet this does not seem to be the case.

Read the manual you say? Yeah i'll get to it... :D

Also, with powered monitors, whats the best way to retain headroom? Crank the monitor level way up and use the control room level as an attenuator of sorts?

Anyway, after a couple of hours noodling, I can tell the n12 and I are going to be friends.

Good job once again Yamaha.

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Old 22nd July 2008, 05:02 PM   #1433
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Jim,

Glad to see you are enjoying your new n12. It will grow on you more over time


was not being able to monitor a signal (say a DI guitar) while playing MP3s.


Sure you can.. It's a question of setting up your monitoring...
The n12 is very flexible so you have a lot of choices to route the sound..

Your MP3 are the DAW Input to the n12
Your Hi-Z is Input 8 on the n12
There are 2 places that they can "Merge"

The AUX bus or the ST bus..

How you ask?

AUX BUS.....

The DAW to AUX level has a dedicated knob..
Use the AUX send on input 8
CR Monitor set to AUX

Easy huh...

ST BUS.....

DAW to ST has a dedicated level knob.... Turn it on
Assign Input 8 to ST Bus make sure it is ON too...
CR Monitor set to ST

Easy too huh?...





When the CR- source is set to DAW, and I'm recording, the live monitored signal is vastly better than the playback of the recorded signal. I was recording DI, through the HI-Z input on channel 8, as I thought this would give me the best benchmark. I had REC enabled on the track, DAW on C-R SOURCE, and A L/R speaker select, which is outputting to bluesky mediadesk 2.1 system. Am I monitoring incorrectly? Obviously I want to be hearing, pre-record, what is actually going to be layed down... Yet this does not seem to be the case.


I suggest the ST bus method above, that way you are actually mixing what you hear from the DAW and Input 8 on the SAME bus...

When you are ready to record the Guitar part, turn on the REC button and set Cubase input to REC bus if you want Reverb recorded don't forget to assign the REC Bus, If you only want to monitor the Reverb, assign it to the ST bus..

Clear as mud right?



Also, with powered monitors, whats the best way to retain headroom? Crank the monitor level way up and use the control room level as an attenuator of sorts?


That's right, you got it.
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Old 23rd July 2008, 12:13 AM   #1434
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Old 23rd July 2008, 11:37 AM   #1435
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Hi there,
this is a long thread and I did read several pages so far. I'm interested by the n12 for 2 things: recording drums and use it at mix down to do some summing. I use mainly DP 5 so can I use the faders to do automation as well?

Thank you in advance

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Old 23rd July 2008, 02:06 PM   #1436
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can I use the faders to do automation as well?


The n12 does not have motorized faders like the O1V96VCM.

The n12 uses an analog approach to digital mixing.
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Old 23rd July 2008, 03:01 PM   #1437
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Angry Cubase Sx3 songs not loading in AI4

Good Day everyone. I am the proud new owner of a Yamaha N8 Mixer. I have to say that I'm very impressed with the sound quality. However, I have a big problem or 2 big problems to be exact.

1. Sound buddies of mine who rents a studio uses CUbase SX3 3.0.2.
However I told them that I Bought the N8 mixer which came with AI4,
So they wanted to see and hear the Differences between the N8 and
Cubase AI4. But when we tried to load a song from SX3, we get this
message "Project "song name" is Cubase SX Version 3.0.2,
Versopm 4.1.2 of Cubase AI cannot load it. So i was wondering how
do one solve this problem??

2. They also extensively use Reason 4. We have not been able to find a
Re-Wire setting in AI4. Is there anyway to activate Re-wire in AI4 or
does it not exist in AI4?

Anyhelp would be greatly appreciated.......

George , dont know if you remember, But we spoke over the phone a couple months back from Trinidad, and your input and encouragement was a great factor in me getting this Mixer. (which i am really Impressed by). So if you can chime in on this,, It would be greatly helpful and appreciated....

Thanks...
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Old 23rd July 2008, 03:12 PM   #1438
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Good Day everyone. I am the proud new owner of a Yamaha N8 Mixer. I have to say that I'm very impressed with the sound quality. However, I have a big problem or 2 big problems to be exact.

1. Sound buddies of mine who rents a studio uses CUbase SX3 3.0.2.
However I told them that I Bought the N8 mixer which came with AI4,
So they wanted to see and hear the Differences between the N8 and
Cubase AI4. But when we tried to load a song from SX3, we get this
message "Project "song name" is Cubase SX Version 3.0.2,
Versopm 4.1.2 of Cubase AI cannot load it. So i was wondering how
do one solve this problem??

2. They also extensively use Reason 4. We have not been able to find a
Re-Wire setting in AI4. Is there anyway to activate Re-wire in AI4 or
does it not exist in AI4?

Anyhelp would be greatly appreciated.......

George , dont know if you remember, But we spoke over the phone a couple months back from Trinidad, and your input and encouragement was a great factor in me getting this Mixer. (which i am really Impressed by). So if you can chime in on this,, It would be greatly helpful and appreciated....

Thanks...
i had this problem - you have to upgrade to cubase 4 or cubase studio 4 to open SX projects. a drag - but there you go...
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Old 23rd July 2008, 03:29 PM   #1439
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can I use the faders to do automation as well?


The n12 does not have motorized faders like the O1V96VCM.

The n12 uses an analog approach to digital mixing.
Thanks George, What I meant was :is it possible to control the faders in DP for example from the n12? In DP you can assign controllers on the faders.

Sylvain

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Old 23rd July 2008, 03:36 PM   #1440
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wow if the n12 had a mini ygdai slot and a built in fader port to take over writing fader automation then you would have one amazing product.

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