Yamaha n Series - Page 44

soundrage · 20th June 2008, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirthought

The magazines would have a hard time selling advertising if they endorsed (or implied superiority of) one product over another. That's sort of the flaw with all of them. You never really read a BAD review.

That's often the same with music mags writing CD reviews. CMJ monthly. Paste. They all depend on the labels for advertising. They won't slam anyone.

Regarding the Mac review in SOS... what audio folks look for and how they use a PC is far different than your average user. I didn't read that piece, but I often get frustrated with normal PC mags because you can't have your questions answered easily about things like will the FW card work.

But I also would love to hear some side-by-side opinions. Have you tried writing that dude about getting a n12 reviewed?

That's a good point about the PC magazine and the Firewire comment. I've just seen some of the reviews in SOS getting shorter compared to some years ago. Maybe mag sales are down.

I'll mention it to Anderton. You can really get a lot more from those reviews than the magazines.

johnnyz · 21st June 2008, 11:59 AM

Having a hard time figuring out how to use ezdrummer with cubase,first i create a instrument track with ezdrummer which works fine ,but when i try to drop a midi file from ezdrummer onto the instrument track it create 2 more tracks?And this happens everytime i drop another midi file.Any help is greatly appreciated.jz

AlexHi · 21st June 2008, 01:33 PM

Hi,

I bought an N12 this week but windows doesn't pick it up when I switch it on.

I've tried the Agere, Via and NEC pci firewire cards mentioned and it doesn't get picked up when plugged into ANY of those.

I have also tried my on board asus p45 (agere) firewire and it doesn't get recognised on that either.

The TI pci cards aren't available in UK.

Does anyone know any other firewire cards or 1394 motherboard which DO work for sure?

I am running PCs with both xp and vista, 32 and 64 bits.

Digital village said they'll send me a new N12 but I have a feeling it's not faulty and I just need a firewire card which it's compatible with.

I've tried 3 different PCs with different cards in each and none of them pick up the N12 when it's switched on.

Any advice? :) spoke to george and I don't think he can offer any further guidance.

thanks,
-Alex.

edit: I've also tried 2 firewire cables, the one in the box and my own one, so it's not the cable.

soundrage · 21st June 2008, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexHi

Hi,

I bought an N12 this week but windows doesn't pick it up when I switch it on.

I've tried the Agere, Via and NEC pci firewire cards mentioned and it doesn't get picked up when plugged into ANY of those.

I have also tried my on board asus p45 (agere) firewire and it doesn't get recognised on that either.

The TI pci cards aren't available in UK.

Does anyone know any other firewire cards or 1394 motherboard which DO work for sure?

I am running PCs with both xp and vista, 32 and 64 bits.

Digital village said they'll send me a new N12 but I have a feeling it's not faulty and I just need a firewire card which it's compatible with.

I've tried 3 different PCs with different cards in each and none of them pick up the N12 when it's switched on.

Any advice? :) spoke to george and I don't think he can offer any further guidance.

thanks,
-Alex.

edit: I've also tried 2 Firewire cables, the one in the box and my own one, so it's not the cable.

I take it you computer is seeing the firewire cards in device manager? Do you have access to any other Firewire devices?

Somehow you need to get your hands on a TI chipset card. Does Digital village have a n series up and running?

AlexHi · 21st June 2008, 04:13 PM

Yep all the cards are in device manager and working correctly..

I don't have access to other devices, but I did use a Tascam FW-1884 on both the via and agere cards with no problems, I also used a TC powercore firewire with the via card, both I no longer have. I got the asus motherboard with onboard Agere only 2 days ago and I very much doubt the Agere isn't working correctly.

I'm not sure if digital village have one up and running, I'll call them once the replacement arrives, if it doesn't work either.

If it still doesn't work then I will keep it and hunt down one of these TI cards, as I MUST have this.. I love Yamaha and have been using cubase for 5 years!

....Very odd i'm having these issues, I must say i'm surprised at Yamaha as all my other products by them are of the highest quality. Unless I really was unlucky this time and got a faulty unit!

Geosync · 21st June 2008, 05:03 PM

Could be something simple like

resetting the FW chip in the n12
Updatting your 1394 driver
turning off wireless networking
turning off 1394 networking
downloading the 1394 XP patch.
(If you upgraded to SP2, your FW bandwidth was set to S100 instead of S400)
there is a patch for this from Microsoft.
I have not heard of this being a problem with SP3

It could be as simple as this:
you connected youe n12 to an incompatible 1394 card first (NEC for sure Agere likely) , the 1394 chip on the n12 was placed in a state that would not connect'

Try using the VIA chipset card.

1: with the n12 disconnected and powered off
2:(In the Control Room section) Hold down the MUTE, ST and 2TR buttons while turning on power
3: Keep holding them until the meter LED come on.
4: wait while you see activity on various LEDs.

once the n12 is reset,

5: uninstall the latest AI driver that you downloaded from yamahasynth.com ;-)
6: Turn off power to n12
7: plug it and no other FW or USB into your computer (except for mouse and QWERTY keyboard)
8: Install AI driver
9: Power on n12
10: once the install is complete, download Firmware Updater from same page as the latest AI driver

Cross fingers.... ;-)

AlexHi · 21st June 2008, 07:51 PM

Well, thanks for the lenghty reply; followed all the steps, alas still no joy, I kiiind of expected that.

Definately think I need a new firewire card.. the VIA one is very old now; good few years.

It's just choosing which one, on google shopping there are literally hundreds to choose from - surprised Yamaha didn't test more??

Geosync · 21st June 2008, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexHi

It's just choosing which one, on google shopping there are literally hundreds to choose from - surprised Yamaha didn't test more??

It's not that easy. Each card behaves differently with different computers.

The Adaptec FireConnect 4300 works fine for PCs.

BTW have you updated your Bios drivers for any of those cards?
It may be all you need

homestudioguy · 22nd June 2008, 03:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geosync

BTW... this month's allocation of n12 are sold out 11 months in a row

George, that is awesome!

Congrats to you, Yamaha and Steinberg.
Bob G.

RCH · 25th June 2008, 04:46 AM

I have a question regarding the 50% off upgrade from Cubase AI to Cubase Studio or 4. Do I have to register my copy of AI on the computer I will be using it on in order to take advantage of the discount?

I'm planning on getting the new iMac, which I will be devoting to Cubase but I'll be cutting it close to the June 30th deadline for the upgrade deal. If I don't have the new Mac hooked up before that, am I able to register/upgrade on my current Mac in order to get the deal? Can I transfer the info onto the new Mac?

I was able to lock down an N12 at a local dealer! Kudos on the great sales! This forum definitely helped me decide.

Geosync · 25th June 2008, 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCH

I have a question regarding the 50% off upgrade from Cubase AI to Cubase Studio or 4. Do I have to register my copy of AI on the computer I will be using it on in order to take advantage of the discount?

I'm planning on getting the new iMac, which I will be devoting to Cubase but I'll be cutting it close to the June 30th deadline for the upgrade deal. If I don't have the new Mac hooked up before that, am I able to register/upgrade on my current Mac in order to get the deal? Can I transfer the info onto the new Mac?

I was able to lock down an N12 at a local dealer! Kudos on the great sales! This forum definitely helped me decide.

Because Studio 4 and 4 use a dongle, they are not dependent on a computer..

Here is what the website says...

Please send verification of ownership of qualifying product to id@steinbergupgrades.com or Fax to 831 477-1206 after placing your order. Verification can be an image of your competing product's installation disc, manual cover, or sales receipt:

soundrage · 25th June 2008, 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCH

I have a question regarding the 50% off upgrade from Cubase AI to Cubase Studio or 4. Do I have to register my copy of AI on the computer I will be using it on in order to take advantage of the discount?

I'm planning on getting the new iMac, which I will be devoting to Cubase but I'll be cutting it close to the June 30th deadline for the upgrade deal. If I don't have the new Mac hooked up before that, am I able to register/upgrade on my current Mac in order to get the deal? Can I transfer the info onto the new Mac?

I was able to lock down an N12 at a local dealer! Kudos on the great sales! This forum definitely helped me decide.

Call that number that George provided. When I upgraded all they asked for was the AI serial number and it was all done over the phone. Very easy.

johnnyz · 25th June 2008, 01:26 PM

Sometimes i lose connection between cubase and the n12,in other words the light on the console goes out?Which lends me to believe it might be a issue with cubase?Any one else have this happen? jz

homestudioguy · 25th June 2008, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyz

Sometimes i lose connection between cubase and the n12,in other words the light on the console goes out?Which lends me to believe it might be a issue with cubase?Any one else have this happen? jz

When I have this issue, I power down and reboot the mixer (speakers off of course

)

Geosync · 25th June 2008, 02:06 PM

usually when you lose connection it is due to a 1394 clock issue.
The to remove the usual suspects:

1: Turn off wireless network connection
2: disable 1394 network connection

Those are the main ones there are more.

markmann · 25th June 2008, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geosync

Hi There,

Cubase AI will require much more from your computer than the n8.
The main reason for that is the Halion One player needs CPU.
As long as the 1394 chip is compatible , you should be fine.

Here are the Requirments

The N-series requirements for PC OS list both NX and Vista. Is there any advantage of one over the other? I ask because most new PC's (laptop in my case) ship with Vista.

Mark

soundrage · 25th June 2008, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markmann

The N-series requirements for PC OS list both NX and Vista. Is there any advantage of one over the other? I ask because most new PC's (laptop in my case) ship with Vista.

Mark

Good question,

Are any of you running Vista?

My daughter has an HP with Vista, maybe I'll steal it for a day.

mcmacguy · 25th June 2008, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyz

Sometimes i lose connection between cubase and the n12,in other words the light on the console goes out?Which lends me to believe it might be a issue with cubase?Any one else have this happen? jz

With my Mac & N12 I don't usually need to reboot. I quit Cubase, reset the Mlan connection by turning it off/on, and run Cubase again..

Geosync · 25th June 2008, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcmacguy

With my Mac & N12 I don't usually need to reboot. I quit Cubase, reset the Mlan connection by turning it off/on, and run Cubase again..

For the Mac, I would suggest turning Connection Manager off and then on again.
It should reconnect without quitting Cubase..

You should never power the n12 off without first turning off the Connection Manager. It can make the buss and the 1394 device less stable.

Geosync · 25th June 2008, 07:18 PM

FYI,

I just received my July issue of Recording Magazine and there on page 18 is a nice review of the n12 .

smoke · 25th June 2008, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyz

Sometimes i lose connection between cubase and the n12,in other words the light on the console goes out?Which lends me to believe it might be a issue with cubase?Any one else have this happen? jz

When this happens to me, I immediately remember to disconnect the other FW drives. Doesn't happen regularly, though. Doesn't happen at all without the drives.

Oh, it might disconnect, if you have a severe dropout ie: not high enough buffer setting.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geosync

You should never power the n12 off without first turning off the Connection Manager. It can make the buss and the 1394 device less stable.

uh oh

johnnyz · 26th June 2008, 12:04 PM

Are you talking about the buffer setting on the mixer or in cubase?

smoke · 26th June 2008, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnyz

Are you talking about the buffer setting on the mixer or in cubase?

Buffer settings in device options in Cubase.

Once or twice, I had accidentally left it at 256, and got into some heavy sections of a track, and the light went right off.

Could have been pure coincidence both times, but I doubt it. I like that it turns off rather than struggle though horrible clicking and popping which can't be a good thing for the N12.

smoke · 27th June 2008, 04:16 PM

What, is everyone too busy with their N12s

?

Any new tips, any interesting routing schemes, is anyone else using VSTi through the N12 without bouncing the tracks? I am considering adding a piece of analog gear (tube), to use directly on VSTi going through an N12 channel

I don't know where to start though? Anyone have a few minutes for some advice?

gurian1 · 27th June 2008, 06:11 PM

Is anyone using Focusrite Liquid Mix with the n? Have a client that is asking.....

Thanks

Rob

mkok · 27th June 2008, 09:29 PM

Well thats new to me. I have now disabled firewire lan. By the way I had no idea that I could not turn the n12 off if it failed to respond.

I have a long standing problem (no not that

) I have a dual boot pc and every time (well nearly) that I chose a different boot drive the n12 sticks with the compressor red lights on and the driver won't start. The only way round it (re-starting the driver doesn't work) is to power off the n12 or unplug the firewire and plug back in. Then start the driver.

I think this is my pc specific. What is the best method for me. I don't want to damage anything.

Cheers

Purpletao · 28th June 2008, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gurian1

Is anyone using Focusrite Liquid Mix with the n? Have a client that is asking.....

Rob

I was using a Focusrite Liquid Mix until I started using Cubase4 and the n12 on a mac mini with only a single FW400 bus. That didn't work. I asked in this forum (in dec/january) and George (aka Geosync) said I should try getting a machine with two separate FW buses and hooking the n12 and LM onto those, to avoid conflict. The Focusrite team said something similar, but didn't have any experience with the N12.

So in a week or two I am upgrading to a Mac Pro and will get an extra FW pci card to hook my beloved Liquid Mix onto. It has been idle since I got the n12, and although the n12 has been fantastic to work with I still miss the comps and eqs sometimes. Will keep you informed!

gearmonster · 29th June 2008, 05:14 AM

I have never ever seen a piece of Yamaha gear other than old NS-10's in large studio's or for that matter small to mid size recording facilities.

Why is that?

soundrage · 29th June 2008, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gearmonster

I have never ever seen a piece of Yamaha gear other than old NS-10's in large studio's or for that matter small to mid size recording facilities.

Why is that?

Do some research. I came up with these very quickly.

Tony Visconti Employs Yamaha’s DM2000/Pro Tools Setup for Bowie 5.1 Remixes

Avatar Studios Installs Yamaha DM2000

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21st June 2008, 11:59 AM	#1292
johnnyz Gear interested Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: huntington N.Y. Posts: 27	Cubase ai4/n12/ezdrummer Having a hard time figuring out how to use ezdrummer with cubase,first i create a instrument track with ezdrummer which works fine ,but when i try to drop a midi file from ezdrummer onto the instrument track it create 2 more tracks?And this happens everytime i drop another midi file.Any help is greatly appreciated.jz

21st June 2008, 05:03 PM	#1296
Geosync Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: California Posts: 712	Could be something simple like resetting the FW chip in the n12 Updatting your 1394 driver turning off wireless networking turning off 1394 networking downloading the 1394 XP patch. (If you upgraded to SP2, your FW bandwidth was set to S100 instead of S400) there is a patch for this from Microsoft. I have not heard of this being a problem with SP3 It could be as simple as this: you connected youe n12 to an incompatible 1394 card first (NEC for sure Agere likely) , the 1394 chip on the n12 was placed in a state that would not connect' Try using the VIA chipset card. 1: with the n12 disconnected and powered off 2:(In the Control Room section) Hold down the MUTE, ST and 2TR buttons while turning on power 3: Keep holding them until the meter LED come on. 4: wait while you see activity on various LEDs. once the n12 is reset, 5: uninstall the latest AI driver that you downloaded from yamahasynth.com ;-) 6: Turn off power to n12 7: plug it and no other FW or USB into your computer (except for mouse and QWERTY keyboard) 8: Install AI driver 9: Power on n12 10: once the install is complete, download Firmware Updater from same page as the latest AI driver Cross fingers.... ;-) __________________ George Hamilton Yamaha Corporation of America

25th June 2008, 04:46 AM	#1300
RCH Gear interested Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 11	Cubase upgrade deal I have a question regarding the 50% off upgrade from Cubase AI to Cubase Studio or 4. Do I have to register my copy of AI on the computer I will be using it on in order to take advantage of the discount? I'm planning on getting the new iMac, which I will be devoting to Cubase but I'll be cutting it close to the June 30th deadline for the upgrade deal. If I don't have the new Mac hooked up before that, am I able to register/upgrade on my current Mac in order to get the deal? Can I transfer the info onto the new Mac? I was able to lock down an N12 at a local dealer! Kudos on the great sales! This forum definitely helped me decide.

25th June 2008, 01:26 PM	#1303
johnnyz Gear interested Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: huntington N.Y. Posts: 27	Cubase ai4 Sometimes i lose connection between cubase and the n12,in other words the light on the console goes out?Which lends me to believe it might be a issue with cubase?Any one else have this happen? jz

21st June 2008, 01:33 PM	#1293
AlexHi Gear interested Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3	Hi, I bought an N12 this week but windows doesn't pick it up when I switch it on. I've tried the Agere, Via and NEC pci firewire cards mentioned and it doesn't get picked up when plugged into ANY of those. I have also tried my on board asus p45 (agere) firewire and it doesn't get recognised on that either. The TI pci cards aren't available in UK. Does anyone know any other firewire cards or 1394 motherboard which DO work for sure? I am running PCs with both xp and vista, 32 and 64 bits. Digital village said they'll send me a new N12 but I have a feeling it's not faulty and I just need a firewire card which it's compatible with. I've tried 3 different PCs with different cards in each and none of them pick up the N12 when it's switched on. Any advice? :) spoke to george and I don't think he can offer any further guidance. thanks, -Alex. edit: I've also tried 2 firewire cables, the one in the box and my own one, so it's not the cable.

21st June 2008, 04:13 PM	#1295
AlexHi Gear interested Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3	Yep all the cards are in device manager and working correctly.. I don't have access to other devices, but I did use a Tascam FW-1884 on both the via and agere cards with no problems, I also used a TC powercore firewire with the via card, both I no longer have. I got the asus motherboard with onboard Agere only 2 days ago and I very much doubt the Agere isn't working correctly. I'm not sure if digital village have one up and running, I'll call them once the replacement arrives, if it doesn't work either. If it still doesn't work then I will keep it and hunt down one of these TI cards, as I MUST have this.. I love Yamaha and have been using cubase for 5 years! ....Very odd i'm having these issues, I must say i'm surprised at Yamaha as all my other products by them are of the highest quality. Unless I really was unlucky this time and got a faulty unit!

21st June 2008, 07:51 PM	#1297
AlexHi Gear interested Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3	Well, thanks for the lenghty reply; followed all the steps, alas still no joy, I kiiind of expected that. Definately think I need a new firewire card.. the VIA one is very old now; good few years. It's just choosing which one, on google shopping there are literally hundreds to choose from - surprised Yamaha didn't test more??

25th June 2008, 02:06 PM	#1305
Geosync Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: California Posts: 712	usually when you lose connection it is due to a 1394 clock issue. The to remove the usual suspects: 1: Turn off wireless network connection 2: disable 1394 network connection Those are the main ones there are more. __________________ George Hamilton Yamaha Corporation of America

25th June 2008, 07:18 PM	#1310
Geosync Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: California Posts: 712	July Recording Magazine has n12 Review FYI, I just received my July issue of Recording Magazine and there on page 18 is a nice review of the n12 . __________________ George Hamilton Yamaha Corporation of America

26th June 2008, 12:04 PM	#1312
johnnyz Gear interested Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: huntington N.Y. Posts: 27	Are you talking about the buffer setting on the mixer or in cubase?

27th June 2008, 04:16 PM	#1314
smoke Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 543	What, is everyone too busy with their N12s ? Any new tips, any interesting routing schemes, is anyone else using VSTi through the N12 without bouncing the tracks? I am considering adding a piece of analog gear (tube), to use directly on VSTi going through an N12 channel I don't know where to start though? Anyone have a few minutes for some advice?

27th June 2008, 06:11 PM	#1315
gurian1 Gear nut Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: California Posts: 75	Liquid Mix Is anyone using Focusrite Liquid Mix with the n? Have a client that is asking..... Thanks Rob __________________ Yea, it's a Jumbo MY Music: www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=814924&content=music

27th June 2008, 09:29 PM	#1316
mkok Gear interested Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bradford UK Posts: 11	Well thats new to me. I have now disabled firewire lan. By the way I had no idea that I could not turn the n12 off if it failed to respond. I have a long standing problem (no not that ) I have a dual boot pc and every time (well nearly) that I chose a different boot drive the n12 sticks with the compressor red lights on and the driver won't start. The only way round it (re-starting the driver doesn't work) is to power off the n12 or unplug the firewire and plug back in. Then start the driver. I think this is my pc specific. What is the best method for me. I don't want to damage anything. Cheers

29th June 2008, 05:14 AM	#1318
gearmonster Gear interested Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 9	Geosync, just an observation / question... I have never ever seen a piece of Yamaha gear other than old NS-10's in large studio's or for that matter small to mid size recording facilities. Why is that?