Yamaha n Series - Page 2

logiclust · 13th July 2007, 05:14 PM

guess i could just shut off the inputs inside the DAW....

nice

TheSweetener · 14th July 2007, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by elpezpr

I heard something about a Yamaha/Nuendo fully integrated DAW....

Where? What exactly?

Geosync · 14th July 2007, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSweetener

Where? What exactly?

The n series will integrate with the upcoming Nuendo 4 in the same way as it does with
Cubase 4.

tuRnitUpsuM · 15th July 2007, 02:17 AM

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Right now, we'll be focusing on getting the single units out.

i hear ya...

cheers Geosync...

TheSweetener · 15th July 2007, 12:09 PM

I still dream of a professional controller (does not matter if it has 24 faders or 8 + extenders) with meterbridge and flexible control of Auxs and EQ.

Something like a DM1000 without the frontend + mixer itself.
Make the Auxs sends controllable with the faders (like on the Yamaha digital consoles) and make a little dedicated pan and EQ section where you don't have to step through menu pages to acces the parameters but can grab an EQ parameter directly (again like the DM1000). And don't forget to make the EQ graph or plugin window appear on the TFT screen when adjusted!

Like someone mentioned there's nothing inbetween the Mackie Control and the 15K Nuendo controller by WK Audio. time for a change!

jeronimo · 15th July 2007, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Geosync

...

2: Can you add more faders?

In the future, you will be able to connect up mutiple n series to have more mix-down channels or more tracking preamps , etc. Since the faders are not controllers, it would be better to use a USB control surface.
The audio signal path is SO QUIET that motorized faders would ruin the pristine specs of these units

...

geosync, sorry to ask this, but I'm curious about something.
On a digital console, does the fader REALLY touches the audio? Or it touches the numbers?

Geosync · 15th July 2007, 08:59 PM

digital data and motors CAN be heard when in close proximity to very low noise, very high gain analog circuits.. Ever had a poorly made USB or Firewire cable sing to you?

jeronimo · 16th July 2007, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Geosync

digital data and motors CAN be heard when in close proximity to very low noise, very high gain analog circuits.. Every had a poorly made USB or Firewire cable sing to you?

LOL Not yet!!!!
But thanks!!!

sigmatibet · 16th July 2007, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSweetener

I still dream of a professional controller (does not matter if it has 24 faders or 8 + extenders) with meterbridge and flexible control of Auxs and EQ.

Something like a DM1000 without the frontend + mixer itself.
Make the Auxs sends controllable with the faders (like on the Yamaha digital consoles) and make a little dedicated pan and EQ section where you don't have to step through menu pages to acces the parameters but can grab an EQ parameter directly (again like the DM1000). And don't forget to make the EQ graph or plugin window appear on the TFT screen when adjusted!

Like someone mentioned there's nothing inbetween the Mackie Control and the 15K Nuendo controller by WK Audio. time for a change!

I'm With you!

laser · 17th July 2007, 04:28 AM

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Originally Posted by sigmatibet

I'm With you!

Add me to that list!

Laser

soundrage · 31st July 2007, 06:16 PM

One very important thing this lacks for me is S/PDIF. I guess it's not intended to be a stand alone interface with your DAW software?

Geosync · 1st August 2007, 03:23 AM

can you explain more please?
I do not understand. There are many audio interfaces with S/PDIF for sure
but I can't think of any high end pieces that employ S/PDIF. There is a 2track input
that would yield better results than a 2 track digital input. As for the computer out,
you have 12 of them on the n8 and 16 of them on the n12 over firewire.

soundrage · 1st August 2007, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Geosync

can you explain more please?
I do not understand. There are many audio interfaces with S/PDIF for sure
but I can't think of any high end pieces that employ S/PDIF. There is a 2track input
that would yield better results than a 2 track digital input. As for the computer out,
you have 12 of them on the n8 and 16 of them on the n12 over firewire.

I'm talking about S/PDIF connections on amp modelers and some processing gear, like reverb units etc..

I've been using S/PDIF for a few years. One thing I like about it is I'm staying digital all the way into my DAW

You mentioned "high end" gear here, I didn't think we were talking about Apogee, Lynx etc. In the price range of the N12 I could get a RME Fireface 800 which has S/PDIF and decent converters although I expect the N12/8 to most certainly have better preamps.

So unless I were to keep my Delta 1010 I would have to use the analog outs on my modeler to the 2 track input on the N12. That's not really a big deal because I also use tube amps for recording. Modeler's are just another tool to use.

I will say the N12 looks VERY interesting and I've been reviewing the manual. I'm a Sonar user but the N12 will work with it.

One thing I am wondering about is where the N12 would stack up against my Delta 1010 in converter sound quality. Does the N12 use AKM converters similar to the i88X which are the same as the 1010? I'm looking at tracking acoustic drums in the future and the N12 would fit nicely for that.

Geosync · 1st August 2007, 04:37 AM

the n series has much better specs than the i88x. Less noise, more air, more gainwhich is still very good. We are very excited about the n series.
Don't be fooled by the lower price tag, it definitely has the high price specs and sound.

Lusitano · 1st August 2007, 04:19 PM

I'm also very interested in the n12.
I want to use it to record mainly voice and acoustic guitars.
I've taken a brief look at the manual, but I still would like to know this for sure:

Is it possible to use the built-in effects, like compression/EQ/Reverb, only for queing the performers but record all tracks "dry", dus by-passing all effects?

Thanks for all your answers.

lukejs · 2nd August 2007, 01:26 AM

Thanks for the info, George ! Can you buy two of these N12´s and daisy chain them together for 24 ins? If not..when will this functionality be available ? Thanks..... Luke

Geosync · 2nd August 2007, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by lukejs

Thanks for the info, George ! Can you buy two of these N12´s and daisy chain them together for 24 ins? If not..when will this functionality be available ? Thanks..... Luke

not in the near future. I'll check with Japan and get back to you with an expected date.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lusitano

I'm also very interested in the n12.
I want to use it to record mainly voice and acoustic guitars.
I've taken a brief look at the manual, but I still would like to know this for sure:

Is it possible to use the built-in effects, like compression/EQ/Reverb, only for queing the performers but record all tracks "dry", dus by-passing all effects?

Thanks for all your answers.

You bet as far as Rev X reverb or VST "wet" monitoring.
As with any mixer or Mic Pre with compression and EQ those are "in-line" and would "Print" to your DAW, However... (this is what's cool with the Advanced Integration with Cubase AI or Cubase)

You can use VST compression and EQ or amp simulation, whatever VST effect you want and monitor it "Live" to the Aux output (headphone Mix) without printing it.
Then once you have recorded it you can use either VST or the n's Compressor EQ or Reverb. You can also print the VSTs if you want There are even more ways to route and record as well.
This "Avanced Integration" thing between Steinberg and Yamaha is pretty cool.

jjdpro · 2nd August 2007, 05:00 AM

What the hell is Yamaha doing? They have a product like Nuendo going for $1000.00 and they come out with Bed room toys!!!!

Get it together yamaha and make semi pro or pro level controller..!!!

Geosync · 2nd August 2007, 02:10 PM

There is definitely a place for both Automation (controllers) and Integration (n series)
The n is not a bedroom toy it's a small footprint tool that supports a new workflow
that is growing rapidly. Sadly, more and more engineers are being forced to work in smaller rooms or at home. The n series is the product of many conversations with a lot of engineers. It's another tool in the toolbox. You request has been heard.

dlmorley · 2nd August 2007, 03:03 PM

Bedroom toy?

soundrage · 2nd August 2007, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geosync

There is definitely a place for both Automation (controllers) and Integration (n series)
The n is not a bedroom toy it's a small footprint tool that supports a new workflow
that is growing rapidly. Sadly, more and more engineers are being forced to work in smaller rooms or at home. The n series is the product of many conversations with a lot of engineers. It's another tool in the toolbox. You request has been heard.

I’ve looked at, and have played around with controllers and I’m not interested in them. I’ve learned to mix in the box and don’t really have any problems with it. How the N12 integrates is what’s got my interest. One bummer is that I’ve got like $680 invested into Sonar and like tracking and mixing with it.
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George, can the Cubase version that comes with the N12 do track folders? I don’t really have a need for more than 48 tracks on playback but when I’m recording I may exceed that with many takes on different tracks. If I get a N12 I don’t really want to but the full blown Cubase…just too much money considering how much I have in Sonar. But then I have tried out Reaper and that’s really got me crying in my coffee/

lukejs · 2nd August 2007, 06:09 PM

thanks for your input, George.... Another question ...Are the new mic pre´s in the N series a step up from the pre´s found in Yamaha´s other digital mixer´s such as 01v96, o2R, dm1000, DM2000 ? Is this new mic pre design kinda like what Mackie says with it´s Onyx line ? (supposed to be better than all the other pre´s in the product lines before them .....) ??

soundrage · 2nd August 2007, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lukejs

thanks for your input, George.... Another question ...Are the new mic pre´s in the N series a step up from the pre´s found in Yamaha´s other digital mixer´s such as 01v96, o2R, dm1000, DM2000 ? Is this new mic pre design kinda like what Mackie says with it´s Onyx line ? (supposed to be better than all the other pre´s in the product lines before them .....) ??

Good question!

Mackie sure had a lot of hype about them Onyx pre's.

soundrage · 2nd August 2007, 06:31 PM

George another question....

Do you know how the N12 is constructed? Does it use individual PC Boards for each channel?

Geosync · 2nd August 2007, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soundrage

George, can the Cubase version that comes with the N12 do track folders? I don’t really have a need for more than 48 tracks on playback but when I’m recording I may exceed that with many takes on different tracks. If I get a N12 I don’t really want to but the full blown Cubase…just too much money considering how much I have in Sonar. But then I have tried out Reaper and that’s really got me crying in my coffee/

Sure you can have folders as well as group faders so you can make different mixes of different takes. Video tracks for woking with video. Cubase AI is not a toy. It just doesn't have 5.1 capability.

Geosync · 2nd August 2007, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lukejs

thanks for your input, George.... Another question ...Are the new mic pre´s in the N series a step up from the pre´s found in Yamaha´s other digital mixer´s such as 01v96, o2R, dm1000, DM2000 ? Is this new mic pre design kinda like what Mackie says with it´s Onyx line ? (supposed to be better than all the other pre´s in the product lines before them .....) ??

Yes the preamps are very special. First, they are discreet component. Even the capacitor used in the amp is a special design to give it a unique character.

Quote:

Originally Posted by soundrage

George another question....

Do you know how the N12 is constructed? Does it use individual PC Boards for each channel?

It's doubtful that the amazing noise specs could be obtained using connectors for each channel strip or at it's low price point.

They are built like tanks and hefty for their size.

soundrage · 2nd August 2007, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geosync

Yes the preamps are very special. First, they are discreet component. Even the capacitor used in the amp is a special design to give it a unique character.

It's doubtful that the amazing noise specs could be obtained using connectors for each channel strip or at it's low price point.

They are built like tanks and hefty for their size.

Thanks for the info George

Hey could you maybe send me a demo unit to try out?

Geosync · 2nd August 2007, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by soundrage

Thanks for the info George

Hey could you maybe send me a demo unit to try out?

Only one? ;)

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13th July 2007, 05:14 PM	#31
logiclust Gear nut Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 147	guess i could just shut off the inputs inside the DAW.... nice __________________ a million grains of dust

15th July 2007, 08:59 PM	#37
Geosync Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: California Posts: 712	digital data and motors CAN be heard when in close proximity to very low noise, very high gain analog circuits.. Ever had a poorly made USB or Firewire cable sing to you? __________________ George Hamilton Yamaha Corporation of America

1st August 2007, 03:23 AM	#42
Geosync Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: California Posts: 712	can you explain more please? I do not understand. There are many audio interfaces with S/PDIF for sure but I can't think of any high end pieces that employ S/PDIF. There is a 2track input that would yield better results than a 2 track digital input. As for the computer out, you have 12 of them on the n8 and 16 of them on the n12 over firewire. __________________ George Hamilton Yamaha Corporation of America

1st August 2007, 04:37 AM	#44
Geosync Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: California Posts: 712	the n series has much better specs than the i88x. Less noise, more air, more gainwhich is still very good. We are very excited about the n series. Don't be fooled by the lower price tag, it definitely has the high price specs and sound. __________________ George Hamilton Yamaha Corporation of America

15th July 2007, 12:09 PM	#35
TheSweetener Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Germany / Frankfurt Posts: 969	I still dream of a professional controller (does not matter if it has 24 faders or 8 + extenders) with meterbridge and flexible control of Auxs and EQ. Something like a DM1000 without the frontend + mixer itself. Make the Auxs sends controllable with the faders (like on the Yamaha digital consoles) and make a little dedicated pan and EQ section where you don't have to step through menu pages to acces the parameters but can grab an EQ parameter directly (again like the DM1000). And don't forget to make the EQ graph or plugin window appear on the TFT screen when adjusted! Like someone mentioned there's nothing inbetween the Mackie Control and the 15K Nuendo controller by WK Audio. time for a change!

31st July 2007, 06:16 PM	#41
soundrage Gear addict Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 369	One very important thing this lacks for me is S/PDIF. I guess it's not intended to be a stand alone interface with your DAW software?

1st August 2007, 04:19 PM	#45
Lusitano Gear Head Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 46	Using effects only for queing? I'm also very interested in the n12. I want to use it to record mainly voice and acoustic guitars. I've taken a brief look at the manual, but I still would like to know this for sure: Is it possible to use the built-in effects, like compression/EQ/Reverb, only for queing the performers but record all tracks "dry", dus by-passing all effects? Thanks for all your answers.

2nd August 2007, 01:26 AM	#46
lukejs Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tuxtla Gutierrez, Chiapas Posts: 637	Daisy chaining functionality ? Thanks for the info, George ! Can you buy two of these N12´s and daisy chain them together for 24 ins? If not..when will this functionality be available ? Thanks..... Luke

2nd August 2007, 05:00 AM	#48
jjdpro Gear maniac Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 291	What the hell is Yamaha doing? They have a product like Nuendo going for $1000.00 and they come out with Bed room toys!!!! Get it together yamaha and make semi pro or pro level controller..!!! __________________ JJD Media Productions

2nd August 2007, 02:10 PM	#49
Geosync Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: California Posts: 712	There is definitely a place for both Automation (controllers) and Integration (n series) The n is not a bedroom toy it's a small footprint tool that supports a new workflow that is growing rapidly. Sadly, more and more engineers are being forced to work in smaller rooms or at home. The n series is the product of many conversations with a lot of engineers. It's another tool in the toolbox. You request has been heard. __________________ George Hamilton Yamaha Corporation of America

2nd August 2007, 03:03 PM	#50
dlmorley Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 3,094	Bedroom toy? __________________ New-ish CD "Ghosts" Ursa Major Studios

2nd August 2007, 06:09 PM	#52
lukejs Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tuxtla Gutierrez, Chiapas Posts: 637	N series mic pre´s thanks for your input, George.... Another question ...Are the new mic pre´s in the N series a step up from the pre´s found in Yamaha´s other digital mixer´s such as 01v96, o2R, dm1000, DM2000 ? Is this new mic pre design kinda like what Mackie says with it´s Onyx line ? (supposed to be better than all the other pre´s in the product lines before them .....) ??

2nd August 2007, 06:31 PM	#54
soundrage Gear addict Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 369	George another question.... Do you know how the N12 is constructed? Does it use individual PC Boards for each channel?