Yamaha n Series

[electronglow]

Here's a link to some Firewire info someone might find useful:

Q. Is Firewire 800 backwards compatible?

[Randall]

My 33 foot Unibrain Firewire cable came in yesterday.. I am pleased to report that there seems to be no issues with a cable of this length... The Firewire Ports on my Abit IC7G motherboard were detected and seem to be fine.
Let me add that my projects in Samplitude sound completely different monitored through the N12.
once again.. hearing flaws I never noticed before.. Just like George said we would..

I am going to reformat my HD's here in the next day or 2 (fun stuff) before installing Cubase AI on my workstation.

[DaveTherrien]

I am using the N12 with the Cubase AI4 DAW that came with it.
I have a midi drum track in Cubase and I can hear it play back fine. I am trying to hear that drum track while I lay down the next track (guitar).
My headphones are connected to a headphone amp that's connected to the N12 AUX out ports on the back. I can hear the guitar because I have the AUX for that channel raised. But I can't seem to hear the drum track that's playing in Cubase on the AUX channel.

If I set DAW to ST, I can hear the drum track on the ST Bus (floor monitors in the recording area).
If I set DAW as the CD Source select, I can hear the drum track in my studio monitors.
I just cant seem to get the DAW output DRUMs to MIX on the AUX bus with the incoming GUITAR from an input channel. For the Cubase track that is playing the drums, I have is set to send to both the N12-Aux and the N12-L/R. I have the DAW to AUX pot set to nominal and the AUX level set to 9 oclock.

Help anyone ?

[soundrage]

Originally Posted by DaveTherrien

I am using the N12 with the Cubase AI4 DAW that came with it.
I have a midi drum track in Cubase and I can hear it play back fine. I am trying to hear that drum track while I lay down the next track (guitar).
My headphones are connected to a headphone amp that's connected to the N12 AUX out ports on the back. I can hear the guitar because I have the AUX for that channel raised. But I can't seem to hear the drum track that's playing in Cubase on the AUX channel.

If I set DAW to ST, I can hear the drum track on the ST Bus (floor monitors in the recording area).
If I set DAW as the CD Source select, I can hear the drum track in my studio monitors.
I just cant seem to get the DAW output DRUMs to MIX on the AUX bus with the incoming GUITAR from an input channel. For the Cubase track that is playing the drums, I have is set to send to both the N12-Aux and the N12-L/R. I have the DAW to AUX pot set to nominal and the AUX level set to 9 oclock.

Help anyone ?

Giving this a bump

Have you figured anything out on this yet Dave?

I have not attempted what your trying to do. But I might have some time tomorrow to try it out.

[Randall]

I'm having a MoFo of a time getting the drivers to install right.... seems no matter what I do or try I am getting a " The currently installed driver does not support Direct sound input, Recording audio is not possible" message.

[Geosync]

Randall,

Uninstall the drivers
restart the computer
install the driver with the n connected but NOT turned on
once it finishes the install it should restart your computer
If not, restart your computer again
once restarted, turn on the n12 and let it finish installing the driver
Make sure you are using THIS DRIVER

Just heard Stevie Wonder sing 2 songs with it, while playing a Motif XS and Ellis Hall playing drums for him.

The n12 sounded amazing as a small stage mixer. That's the first time I've heard it
in that application.

Also heard Brian Bromberg playing with Tony Williams and Jeff Lorber.
NAMM is always fun.

[Randall]

I'll give it another whirl or two George.. sorry I missed your calls... I just went out to get smokes (just my luck).. this little dilemma has got me chain smoking

[basscrow]

Hello and thank you for this info. The n12 seems like a great product, and this great q and a has almost sold me on the product.I have a couple of questions if you about the unit.Understanding that it will be possible to connect it with another n12 or n8, how about the Go46?It would be almost too good to be true ... I really only need two more tracks to record my band live.My next question is about how the mixer behaves in record mode. Say, for instance, I was recording a live gig, using the n12 as our main mixer for our PA. If there would be any sort of glitch or crash in the software environment/computer, would it affect the performance if the mixer? What if you were recording and the power was pulled on the computer stopping the tracking dead ... what would the board do? I am also wondering, if I purchased two units and sell one in the future, is the software transferable? In other words, can it be installed and used by the new owner?Thanks-bk

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by Randall

I'll give it another whirl or two George.. sorry I missed your calls... I just went out to get smokes (just my luck).. this little dilemma has got me chain smoking

Glad I gotch you and you are running nicely. Let us know what you think now that you are recording.

[soundrage]

Hey George,

How did NAMM go?

Did the n Series draw a lot of attention?

It's good to have you back at the office/

[Randall]

Originally Posted by Geosync

Glad I gotch you and you are running nicely. Let us know what you think now that you are recording.

Yes and Thanks George! I have to add I think George is about the best company rep I have ever spoke with.. When we talk we seem to get lost in conversation for an hour or so
George, I'm curious if you made it to the PMI booth and checked out the Bosendorfer 290? What did you think? The demo's are amazing.. I'm about to make a move on it I think.

All seems to be working well on the N12.. learning Cubase after being on Samplitude so long is going to be a bit of a challenge... I'm sure I'll go Cubase 4 pretty quick if I can grasp AI without a lot of trouble... this really is a nice sounding board.

I didn't find the Hi Fi demo's at steinbergusers.com

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by soundrage

Hey George,

How did NAMM go?

Did the n Series draw a lot of attention?

It's good to have you back at the office/

NAMM was great.
Many got to hear the n12 and were amazed at it's sound.

Thanks for asking.

[soundsabound]

Hi all. Reading through this thread (quite an exercise!) I noticed some unresolved questions about the N8/N12 using FW400 or FW800. From the manual (bottom of p21) "These 6-pin IEEE 1394 (S400) jacks are used to connect a computer to the mixer via a IEEE 1394 cable." So it appears that the N8/N12 will not gain any extra bandwidth by using a FW800 port. Does anyone out there know different?

[Randall]

Originally Posted by soundsabound

Hi all. Reading through this thread (quite an exercise!) I noticed some unresolved questions about the N8/N12 using FW400 or FW800. From the manual (bottom of p21) "These 6-pin IEEE 1394 (S400) jacks are used to connect a computer to the mixer via a IEEE 1394 cable." So it appears that the N8/N12 will not gain any extra bandwidth by using a FW800 port. Does anyone out there know different?

Hi Soundsabound.. Welcome to Gearslutz... I think this thread could use the definitive answer to this question as well.. There is quite a bit of mis-information on the net in regards to this issue

I also deleted my posts that were probably adding to the confusion

[soundsabound]

Hi Randall,

I can't see much of a problem with using FW400.

Even a full 16x16 setup at 24bits and 96khz only needs 75Mbits/sec. With a pair of N12's on a FW400 port you'd still have 250Mbit/s of headroom.

With a well behaved FW port I can't see any problem with recording to an external FW hard disk on the same bus (that would be my preferred way of working) but I'd love to hear from anyone who's tried it successfully with one or two N12's.

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by soundsabound

Hi all. Reading through this thread (quite an exercise!) I noticed some unresolved questions about the N8/N12 using FW400 or FW800. From the manual (bottom of p21) "These 6-pin IEEE 1394 (S400) jacks are used to connect a computer to the mixer via a IEEE 1394 cable." So it appears that the N8/N12 will not gain any extra bandwidth by using a FW800 port. Does anyone out there know different?

FW400 only. If you buy a mixed controller example: 800/400 or 400/USB it most likely will not work. Some have tried using 800 only w/ a 400 adapter an had success but the buss will drop to th lowest speed device.

We suggest a device such as adaptec 4300 (3 400 ports only)


Hope this helps.

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by soundsabound

Hi Randall,

I can't see much of a problem with using FW400.

Even a full 16x16 setup at 24bits and 96khz only needs 75Mbits/sec. With a pair of N12's on a FW400 port you'd still have 250Mbit/s of headroom.

With a well behaved FW port I can't see any problem with recording to an external FW hard disk on the same bus (that would be my preferred way of working) but I'd love to hear from anyone who's tried it successfully with one or two N12's.

At work I use an n12 w/ a Glyph GT050Q and a Macbook Pro . Works great.
Glyph makes drives specifically for audio and are mLAN certified. At home I use 1 GT050Q and 2 other older GT050. all works great.

Some FW Drives can cause problems w/ FW audio. I reccomend spend a little more money on a Glyph and getting a drive that has beed tested with these and many other systems

[GroovinDJ]

Hi all

I've only recently discovered the existence of the N12 and am now looking to buy one (and my buddy wants one too!).

However, all the retailers in the UK appear to be out of stock.

Is there a shortage of these mixers in the UK?

If no, can anyone point me to a good Yamaha dealer who has stock of these mixers?

Thanks :-)

[soundsabound]

Hi Groovin,

Have you tried Yamaha N12 Digital Mixer (says they're in stock for next day delivery)

[soundsabound]

Hi George,

Thanks for your input. When you connect the GT050Q do you use the FW connection or the USB ?

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by soundsabound

Hi George,

Thanks for your input. When you connect the GT050Q do you use the FW connection or the USB ?

Work system
MBook Pro--> 800FW -- Glyph 800
MBook Pro --400FW--n12

Home
iMac 24---> 800FW -->Glyph 800FW--(Glyph400-->Glyph400 older 400 only)
iMac 400FW--->n12

Both of the computers have dual FW ports, Even though the 800 ports drop to 400 speed I believe it's best to use both ports.

I just connected the n12 to the glyph and it works well.

Connected this way Mac-->FW800--->Glyph-->FW400-->n12
The disk will have 800 audio streams and the n12 will have 400 I/O streams which will be best for both devices.

Hope this isn't confusing

[soundsabound]

Originally Posted by Geosync

Connected this way Mac-->FW800--->Glyph-->FW400-->n12
The disk will have 800 audio streams and the n12 will have 400 I/O streams which will be best for both devices.

Hope this isn't confusing

Not at all, except that you have FW400 and FW800 devices sharing the same buss and my understanding is that the buss speed will drop to 400 because the buss controller (that lives in the mac) can only run at one speed, the slowest. Which all comes back to a FW400 buss being more than adequate if you have a well behaved controller

At least, that's my take on it and I see no nasty gotchas anywhere.

[GroovinDJ]

Originally Posted by soundsabound

Hi Groovin,

Have you tried Yamaha N12 Digital Mixer (says they're in stock for next day delivery)

Yes I 've been to that site. Unfortunately they're overpriced. I know they can be had for £749. If it was just a little more I would have bitten the bullet but I'm not prepared to pay almost £30 more!

[soundsabound]

Hi Groovin,

Originally Posted by GroovinDJ

Yes I 've been to that site. Unfortunately they're overpriced. I know they can be had for £749. If it was just a little more I would have bitten the bullet but I'm not prepared to pay almost £30 more!

Well you could pay £849 at Chappell of Bond Street, mind you, they gift wrap it in gold leaf

[Randall]

I've been playing Nigel through the N12 with Cubase AI today (Hi-Z direct).. A plug I really never liked (still don't)
This means I'm monitoring an effect off my UAD cards with NO NOTICEABLE LATENCY! Incredible!
this is a feat that I've never been able to accomplish accept with MaxioXD and Reaper.
Using the N12's compression, EQ and reverb make it over the top cool

I'm liking this N12 thing more and more

[soundsabound]

Originally Posted by Randall

I've been playing Nigel through the N12 with Cubase AI today (Hi-Z direct).. A plug I really never liked (still don't)
This means I'm monitoring an effect off my UAD cards with NO NOTICEABLE LATENCY! Incredible!
this is a feat that I've never been able to accomplish accept with MaxioXD and Reaper.
Using the N12's compression, EQ and reverb make it over the top cool

I'm liking this N12 thing more and more

Keep up the good work Randall, I'm going to have to buy mine without any 'hands on' time so your experience and ears are important to me!

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by Randall

I've been playing Nigel through the N12 with Cubase AI today (Hi-Z direct).. A plug I really never liked (still don't)
This means I'm monitoring an effect off my UAD cards with NO NOTICEABLE LATENCY! Incredible!
this is a feat that I've never been able to accomplish accept with MaxioXD and Reaper.
Using the N12's compression, EQ and reverb make it over the top cool

I'm liking this N12 thing more and more

Just curious, what is your buffer setting.

also, I'd be curious how big you can set the buffer before you notice any latency.
The n12 and Cubase together are pretty good at a lower than normal latency.

I'd like to know what you get for guitar and vocal vst effects. Those are the ones that can make or break a performance.

[sirthought]

Originally Posted by DaveTherrien

I am using the N12 with the Cubase AI4 DAW that came with it.
I have a midi drum track in Cubase and I can hear it play back fine. I am trying to hear that drum track while I lay down the next track (guitar).
My headphones are connected to a headphone amp that's connected to the N12 AUX out ports on the back. I can hear the guitar because I have the AUX for that channel raised. But I can't seem to hear the drum track that's playing in Cubase on the AUX channel.

If I set DAW to ST, I can hear the drum track on the ST Bus (floor monitors in the recording area).
If I set DAW as the CD Source select, I can hear the drum track in my studio monitors.
I just cant seem to get the DAW output DRUMs to MIX on the AUX bus with the incoming GUITAR from an input channel. For the Cubase track that is playing the drums, I have is set to send to both the N12-Aux and the N12-L/R. I have the DAW to AUX pot set to nominal and the AUX level set to 9 oclock.

Help anyone ?

Hi. Was this issue ever resolved?

I'm curious what the solution was, as this would be desirable. Thanks

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by sirthou