Yamaha n Series

[pacef8]

This was done by myself on a apple g4 but in garageband first then re-equid through the N8.

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here is the example

High Noon The Payoff 3.mp3

[Geosync]

Thanks for sharing thumbsup

[d3man]

I'm contracted for 2 sample/loop libraries for april and some house tunes - as something will be ready, I'll link it to this forum.

[FW Harper]

Any verdict on when the Leopard driver will be released? I just ordered an n12, but I'm still running Panther. Tiger doesn't seem to be available anymore.

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by FW Harper

Any verdict on when the Leopard driver will be released? I just ordered an n12, but I'm still running Panther. Tiger doesn't seem to be available anymore.

Congratulations,
It should be a matter of days. We are testing the release candidate now. It seems ready to post.

[markmann]

Sorry for joining the discussion so late with a basic question but I didn't see this covered yet...

I'm just a simple guitar player looking to make my first leap into digital recording. The reason I'm interested in a N series is because I'm in need of a mixer mostly for rehersal and occasional live use as well as an input for demo recordiing. The demo's will be recorded either one track at a time or many at a time. Since I don't know anything about software my plan is to use the included Cubase program and learn that. Sounds like I'll be mixiing on the Computer and I'll add whatever plug-in's I need later. Once the mix is done I record onto the CD recorder?

Am I on the right track?

If so, I'll also need a new computer since mine is ancient. So basically I'll be starting from scratch so I want to make sure I do it right. Is there an advantage to going desktop over laptop? Laptop would be really nice but what are the tradeoffs? I can get a pretty powerful Dell Insperon for a grand but will it marry up well with the N and Cubase?

Please advise and thanks in advance.

[soundrage]

Originally Posted by markmann

Sorry for joining the discussion so late with a basic question but I didn't see this covered yet...

I'm just a simple guitar player looking to make my first leap into digital recording. The reason I'm interested in a N series is because I'm in need of a mixer mostly for rehersal and occasional live use as well as an input for demo recordiing. The demo's will be recorded either one track at a time or many at a time. Since I don't know anything about software my plan is to use the included Cubase program and learn that. Sounds like I'll be mixiing on the Computer and I'll add whatever plug-in's I need later. Once the mix is done I record onto the CD recorder?

Am I on the right track?

If so, I'll also need a new computer since mine is ancient. So basically I'll be starting from scratch so I want to make sure I do it right. Is there an advantage to going desktop over laptop? Laptop would be really nice but what are the tradeoffs? I can get a pretty powerful Dell Insperon for a grand but will it marry up well with the N and Cubase?

Please advise and thanks in advance.

What computer do you have now? It may be fine to get you started.

The N12 has been making changes to how I do things. Before the N12 I always mixed in the box but the N12's reverb, EQ, compressor etc are so nice I'm looking at using it more for mix-down. There's a lot of built in busing and routing where you can send tracks out from Cubase and mix them using the N12 or N8 too. There's a lot of flexibility here and you don't see it all at first.

When the mix is done you can burn it to CD, rip an MP3 or whatever. I use the Izotope mastering plugs in Sound Forge 9 but that's just what works for me. I don't think you can burn a CD from Cubase but then I haven't even looked at that because I use CD Architect for that.

Hope to see you climb aboard! You will be amazed with the N series.

One last thing, if you get a new computer make sure your Firewire card is compatible.

[markmann]

Originally Posted by soundrage

What computer do you have now? It may be fine to get you started.

The N12 has been making changes to how I do things. Before the N12 I always mixed in the box but the N12's reverb, EQ, compressor etc are so nice I'm looking at using it more for mix-down. There's a lot of built in busing and routing where you can send tracks out from Cubase and mix them using the N12 or N8 too. There's a lot of flexibility here and you don't see it all at first.

When the mix is done you can burn it to CD, rip an MP3 or whatever. I use the Izotope mastering plugs in Sound Forge 9 but that's just what works for me. I don't think you can burn a CD from Cubase but then I haven't even looked at that because I use CD Architect for that.

Hope to see you climb aboard! You will be amazed with the N series.

One last thing, if you get a new computer make sure your Firewire card is compatible.

I doubt my old 450mhz 256ram would cut it, besides I'm way overdue for a new one. My current system is great for internet and email, etc, so I'll keep it around for that.

Is it possible to find out what the firewire is in a production computer before you buy it? If the built-in one doesn't work can it be changed or can a seperate plug-in type card be purchased that will work?

[soundrage]

Originally Posted by markmann

I doubt my old 450mhz 256ram would cut it, besides I'm way overdue for a new one. My current system is great for internet and email, etc, so I'll keep it around for that.

Is it possible to find out what the firewire is in a production computer before you buy it? If the built-in one doesn't work can it be changed or can a seperate plug-in type card be purchased that will work?

You might have to contact the computer manufacturer if it has firewire built in. I added a PCI Firewire card to my Dell and it works perfectly. It has a TI chipset. Here's the approved chipsets.....

1394 Chip Set Compatible with n12/n8
- AGERE FW323-05
- AGERE FW323-06
- TI TSB12LV23 + PHY
- TI TSB12LV26 + TSB41AB03
- TI TSB43AB22/A
- TI TSB43AB23
- VIA VT6306
*ATTENTION
The manufacturer may alter the above mentioned Chip Set without notice. Depending on the change, there's a possibility of it not working properly with n12/n8.

1394 Chip Set NOT Compatible with n12/n8
- NEC D72873GC
- NEC D72874GC
- NEC uPD72874

[FW Harper]

I Just received my n12. I opened the box and took the manual/software package out, and the first thing that caught my eye was a loose piece of paper with a message marked "important" in six different languages:

"Some problems may arise if you install Cubase AI to a Power PC-equipped Macintosh computer, such as a G4 or G5. Make sure to check the Yamaha website before starting installation."

I can't find any mention of possible problems on the website. What problems might I encounter and what can I do about them? The website lists a minimum requirement of a Power Mac G4 1 GHz. I'm using a Power Mac dual 2.5GHz G5.

Also, if you could post a link when the Leopard driver is ready that would be great.

Thanks George...

[obscure object]

to Soundrage and all other owners of N series:

Are you using the mixer for rehearsals/live sound?? How is it in standalone? How is the latency?? I understand the signal goes A/D and then D/A on the outs? It IS digital in operation, right? Would I be better off with an all analoge mixer for rehearsals? thx.

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by FW Harper

I Just received my n12. I opened the box and took the manual/software package out, and the first thing that caught my eye was a loose piece of paper with a message marked "important" in six different languages:

"Some problems may arise if you install Cubase AI to a Power PC-equipped Macintosh computer, such as a G4 or G5. Make sure to check the Yamaha website before starting installation."

I can't find any mention of possible problems on the website. What problems might I encounter and what can I do about them? The website lists a minimum requirement of a Power Mac G4 1 GHz. I'm using a Power Mac dual 2.5GHz G5.

Also, if you could post a link when the Leopard driver is ready that would be great.

Thanks George...

G5 no problemo..

The Leopard driver link will be HERE and should be by next Friday

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by obscure object

to Soundrage and all other owners of N series:

Are you using the mixer for rehearsals/live sound?? How is it in standalone? How is the latency?? I understand the signal goes A/D and then D/A on the outs? It IS digital in operation, right? Would I be better off with an all analoge mixer for rehearsals? thx.

There is NO latency in stand alone mode. You'll think it is an analog mixer
We use it that way everyday in the office to listen to keyboard mics etc.

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by markmann

I doubt my old 450mhz 256ram would cut it, besides I'm way overdue for a new one. My current system is great for internet and email, etc, so I'll keep it around for that.

Is it possible to find out what the firewire is in a production computer before you buy it? If the built-in one doesn't work can it be changed or can a seperate plug-in type card be purchased that will work?

You can get a PC express card if the built in FW doesn't work.
We have not had good success with the Dell laptops we have tried recently.

May I suggest a Macbook?
The price is right and those suckers fly. If you don't like Leopard, you can install XP/Vista on it. Just got to Other World Computing and get 4GB ram for less than $100.00

[Geosync]

Thanks Randall,

I edited the reply now's there's a link.

[obscure object]

Originally Posted by Geosync

There is NO latency in stand alone mode. You'll think it is an analog mixer
We use it that way everyday in the office to listen to keyboard mics etc.

cool thx George ... geez u're doing a great job marketing that thing ... I know that's ur job but u seem to actually like 'the thing' a lot thumbsup

[Geosync]

Originally Posted by obscure object

cool thx George ... geez u're doing a great job marketing that thing ... I know that's ur job but u seem to actually like 'the thing' a lot thumbsup

Thanks

I LOVE it. It been a long time since I've been so moved by a product. One that speaks to me. I actually want to make recordings of my own music again. I'm having a ball with it and sharing it with my friends.

[electronglow]

I've had my n12 for a week now, and I'm slowly getting to know the thing. It did help that I read the manual a few times beforehand, so I expect the learning curve to be less steep than usual.

I must say I'm quite overwhelmed by the feel of this unit. No sign of digital-ness whatsoever, as others have pointed out. But the fact that it's digital has allowed the designers to incorporate some very nice little things. For instance, when you press the routing buttons, there's no audible switch click. Instead there seems to be a short audio fade in/fade out. Class.

Analogue mixers often have slight tracking mismatch on stereo faders and knobs, especially at the ends of the pot's travel. No such thing on the n12, since audio does not actually travel through the front panel controls (with the exception of the input gain trims, I suppose). Another benefit of digital technology.

Overall, there's definitely a sense of what I call "passionate engineering" about the n12. I usually don't expect this from big manufacturers, and not at this price level. Well done!

-joachim

[soundrage]

Originally Posted by electronglow

Overall, there's definitely a sense of what I call "passionate engineering" about the n12. I usually don't expect this from big manufacturers, and not at this price level. Well done!

-joachim

Wow! Another user!thumbsup

The N series is very well designed and built. It's an impressive piece of gear for sure.

With as many users as we're getting it would be nice to have a specific forum for N series users. I'd like to be able to share info and help etc. I think the user base on this thing is only going to grow.

Hey George,

Sweetwater is out of N12's but I've noticed other online stores have them in stock. Is the demand picking up?

[markmann]

Originally Posted by soundrage

You might have to contact the computer manufacturer if it has firewire built in. I added a PCI Firewire card to my Dell and it works perfectly. It has a TI chipset. Here's the approved chipsets.....

Thanks Soundrage. Is your Dell a desktop or laptop?

[soundrage]

Originally Posted by markmann

Thanks Soundrage. Is your Dell a desktop or laptop?

My Dell is a desktop, getting a little older now with it being I think a 2.2 Ghz Pentium. Works good though as long as I don't get crazy with plugins especially convolution reverbs. But I like the N12 verb better than any plugin I have.

[markmann]

Originally Posted by Geosync

You can get a PC express card if the built in FW doesn't work.
We have not had good success with the Dell laptops we have tried recently.

May I suggest a Macbook?
The price is right and those suckers fly. If you don't like Leopard, you can install XP/Vista on it. Just got to Other World Computing and get 4GB ram for less than $100.00

What were the issues with the Dell's? Was it firewire related like what Soundrage mentioned? Is there an easy fix like using a different firewire card?

I am apprehensive about buying a Mac for two reasons:

1. I've always used PC's at home and work and have never even touched a Mac, so I guess I have a fear of the unknown. I would have to research to know if it should be a consideration for me.

2. Looks cool but that 13" screen is a turn-off.

I don't want to put you on the spot but can you suggest other mfg's/models that work well with the N series?

[soundrage]

Originally Posted by markmann

I don't want to put you on the spot but can you suggest other mfg's/models that work well with the N series?

I'm on PC but I really like them new iMACS with a 20" display. I've got a high end work issued Dell laptop but I'm not really suppose to install non corporate software, though I wouldn't get in any trouble if I didn't leave it on for long. It would be good to find out what firewire chips Dell uses. You might consider giving Dell a call and ask them. If they use TI then you should be OK.

Let me know if you find anything out. I could do an install on this Dell laptop but would I be able to install Cubase on it with it's licensing method...don't know. But then again maybe Dell puts in a different firewire in these Precision notebooks. But I'd be happy to try it out if it means another N12 user/

[markmann]

Originally Posted by soundrage

I'm on PC but I really like them new iMACS with a 20" display. I've got a high end work issued Dell laptop but I'm not really suppose to install non corporate software, though I wouldn't get in any trouble if I didn't leave it on for long. It would be good to find out what firewire chips Dell uses. You might consider giving Dell a call and ask them. If they use TI then you should be OK.

Let me know if you find anything out. I could do an install on this Dell laptop but would I be able to install Cubase on it with it's licensing method...don't know. But then again maybe Dell puts in a different firewire in these Precision notebooks. But I'd be happy to try it out if it means another N12 user/

That's kind of you to offer to test your precision. I will definitely give Dell a call, hopefully their customer support is sharp enough to have the answer.

This statement by George makes me a bit nervous:

"You can get a PC express card if the built in FW doesn't work.
We have not had good success with the Dell laptops we have tried recently."

Were the problems related only to the FW? Will an express card solve the problems?

[soundrage]

Originally Posted by markmann

That's kind of you to offer to test your precision. I will definitely give Dell a call, hopefully their customer support is sharp enough to have the answer.

This statement by George makes me a bit nervous:

"You can get a PC express card if the built in FW doesn't work.
We have not had good success with the Dell laptops we have tried recently."

Were the problems related only to the FW? Will an express card solve the problems?

George will be around and we'll see what he's got to say. I'm quite curious myself now since when I do upgrade my computer my company gets Dell discounts. But even with that I really do like them new iMacs as long as they are real quiet.

[pacef8]

Simple answer on the noise issue of a mac.

Dead quite and for all the people considering crossing over. Now has never been a better time.
New models are about to be launched so watch that apple site and then by the old one !!.

ta
pace
n8/g4/g5/logic/cubase/garage
www.springline-jamaica.com

[Geosync]

I hated to raise a red flag and then not be able to answer questions right away.
We are very busy getting ready for NAMM.

We received a laptop directly from Dell to use at NAMM.
It was a recommended laptop for music. Didn't work.
We talked with customer support they said no issues w/ FW audio,
and then we were sent to engineering. They had not tested the laptop
with FW audio or at least not mLAN. They confirmed that the FW controller
on the motherboard was not compatible. It was a TI chip BTW.
We gave up on Dell laptops. Apple was kind enough to provide them to us for the show.
No problems. The new driver for Leopard will be released next week. It uses apx HALF the CPU as the Tiger driver. It ROCKS !!

For the PC guys, In the past we used HP laptops, They are really good.
Not sure of the costs.


Hope this helps

[sirthought]

Originally Posted by markmann

What were the issues with the Dell's? Was it firewire related like what Soundrage mentioned? Is there an easy fix like using a different firewire card?

I am apprehensive about buying a Mac for two reasons:

1. I've always used PC's at home and work and have never even touched a Mac, so I guess I have a fear of the unknown. I would have to research to know if it should be a consideration for me.

I don't want to put you on the spot but can you suggest other mfg's/models that work well with the N series?

Hey Markmann,

I'm not even close to being an expert, but I can tell you I've been reading these types of boards for a couple years now and hear all kinds of problems people have with Dells when using them for recording. And honestly, most other big PC manufacturers get similar complaints. A lot of it has to do with certain components like FW, but even more so with how Windows is set up AND other software they've loaded that is running on the computer which can slow down your DAW software (esp. running with plugins). If you google a bit you can probably find the modifications to Windows that will help. It's not hard and does not effect your normal use of the PC. But the right manufacturer can do it for you.

I actually bought a PC from a company that targets recording studios as their clients. These companies are becoming more common now, but the one I bought from is ADK Pro Audio (Advanced Design of Kentucky). ADK Pro Audio Digital Audio workstations

I'm very happy with it and it cost me less than if I tried to get a loaded PC from Dell or HP. They can actually sell you the Yamaha n12 as well for standard price, set everything up in their workshop, test it all to be sure the software and hardware are working together. That way, when it arrives to your door you don't have to do a thing but plug it in. They sell their own designed laptops and desktops. And now they are selling Macs.

Personally, when I was shopping I wanted to buy a Mac but when comparing the better components involved to make a smoking PC, the ADK computer was way cheaper than buying a Mac. And they offered me lifetime support. Now, even with that considered, I think I'd go with a Mac before buying a Dell. Because you can run Windows on it, it just makes so much sense. Macs do have issues too, but they just work better for applications like audio recording. And really, you'll like the Mac environment too, once you spend a little time with it. I have an old e-Mac and love it.

Check out ADK. I highly recommend it.thumbsup

[sirthought]

Originally Posted by Geosync

There is no automation of the faders. I explain it in detail earlier in the thread. You can still use MIDI fader along side the n if you are most comfortable doing that. You can connect via USB or use the MIDI port that is on the back of the n.

Hi George,

Tried searching through the thread, but all I find is that the n-series doesn't have automation and motorized faders. No motors on the faders I guess I can deal with, but it would be nice to think we could write our pans and fades into Cubase as we mix. Is that not possible?

We aren't all Bob Clearmountain, mixing everything by memory in perfect motion. Most people need to do a few passes and unless those passes are written onto the file, were gonna have to go in and use the mouse. That kind of defeats having a digital mixer to work for you, no?

[paulitto]

The new driver for Leopard will be released next week. It uses apx HALF the CPU as the Tiger driver. It ROCKS !!

Hi George,

will the new driver run also on OSX 10.4.11 ?

btw: i got my problems sorted....kind of, but i am still not
happy with the N12-driver behavior...

Regards,
Paul