Yamaha n Series

[kamiahmed]

Originally Posted by Wiseg

also to listen to what you are recording on the channel, use the send to aux then switch to aux on the source select mode to hear a latency free signal. and your control room headphone socket should already be getting the signal.

yes ...this is what i need... being able to hear my recording signal while the other tracks play along just like a normal sound interface.

so i need to press AUX in the C-R-SELECT section...and dial up the AUX knob on my mic channel ???
BUT..also...i dont hear the DAW(song) when i select anything apart DAW in the C-R SOURCE SELECT ...could you please elaborate this stage

using NUENDO 3 actually (but i have nuendo-4 too with which the cubase ready lights up...)
phantom's ON !

does the compressor and reverb NOT work without cubase ready light...just like the remote section ??? I thot i cud use the compressor and reverb with the mixer as standalone even (without a DAW/PC)

im lost in NAIVE shit ... aint i

[Lemontree]

Originally Posted by kamiahmed

yes ...this is what i need... being able to hear my recording signal while the other tracks play along just like a normal sound interface.

so i need to press AUX in the C-R-SELECT section...and dial up the AUX knob on my mic channel ???
BUT..also...i dont hear the DAW(song) when i select anything apart DAW in the C-R SOURCE SELECT ...could you please elaborate this stage

using NUENDO 3 actually (but i have nuendo-4 too with which the cubase ready lights up...)
phantom's ON !

does the compressor and reverb NOT work without cubase ready light...just like the remote section ??? I thot i cud use the compressor and reverb with the mixer as standalone even (without a DAW/PC)

im lost in NAIVE shit ... aint i

You want the DAW to ST button engaged and the trim at 1 oclock

The reverb and comp work without even having it hooked up to a computer. Make sure you are sending the reverb to ST or to AUX if you are monitoring that way.

Sounds like you haven't had the manual out the box yet. Trust me on this one, you will NEED to RTFM a few times to get your head around all the possible routing features. MLan can be a bit daunting.

You will need to have the extensions instaled (sounds like you have if the cubase ready light is on I think) for Cubendo to see your routing. Or you can set them up manualy under VST connections. I made a couple of templates that way and saved them.

[sirthought]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought n-series didn't work with Nuendo 3 in the same way it wasn't working with Cubase sx3, but does with CB4 & 5.

Based on what you've said, I'd go for Nuendo 4 and stick with the mLan drivers.

[kamiahmed]

Firstly guyz...thanks for jumping in..APPRECIATE



Yes sir...i will read the F manual

BTW...i downloaded some stuff from the N site...
would you guys kindly point out the essential installs

1 - IEEE1394_Firmware_Updater_V107_win_en
2 - n_Firmware_Updater_V103_win_en
3 - win_tools_for_n_v200
4 - ssdm200w
5 - win_mlan_v163_e

i believe i have a driver issue as well....after removing M-Audio drivers nuendo 4&5 sometimes show M-Audio in the IN & OUTS..instead of mLAN ins and outs !

and the driver from the CD is kind of handicapped. Didnt integrate with my XP completely...everything is installed but my xp control panel sound settings dont show any recording device...pull down is disabled

BTW...i do face drop outs that kick in for 4 seconds or so and back to sound...
yippeee now iam really part of the family LOL

Will try reinstalling the CD driver...clean baby install
but with the probs so far... please tell me which driver/update should i install.

what do EXTENSIONS do ???? are they responsible to show/enlist me all N channels in my nuendo and somewhat ????

right guys... got much to read now !

i would be great to see a snap of your mixer settings (tracksheet somwhat..or PHOTO) which would clarify the basics... settings like

-using the mixer alone with compressor and reverb kicked in...
-using the mixer with DAW while recording...
i could then see whats punched in and dialed up.

got any pictures

u guys r awesome help.

[kamiahmed]

hey guys.... found this from one of the included PDFs

further to my earlier upgrade/update query..is this the RIGHT sequence ?
if YES....i'l go ahead and do some clean install and upgrade FIRST !!

[1] Uninstall n Driver, AI Driver or mLAN Driver/mLAN Tools and Extensions for Steinberg DAW (32-bit version only)
[2] Install TOOLS for n Version2
[3] Connect the n8/n12 to the computer, then turn on the power to the device
[4] Update IEEE1394 firmware
[5] Update n8/n12 firmware
[6] Make the initial setup for the n series Driver and WDM Audio/MIDI Driver. (Windows XP only)
[7] Confirm whether or not installation is completed successfully
[8] Update Sweet Spot Data Manager

THANKZZ !

[kamiahmed]

Alright my respected friends

im posting as i progress


Ive done all updates ! All done nicely by the books..or shall i say PDFs.
Have figured out a few things.

The input channels are only listed when i use a Yam N-8 template in nuendo 4. A regular new project doesnt display that in nuendo input,output and master channel. Do i have to live with this...or there are some in depth settings can look at ??? Or do i have to expand on the template and make my own

The sound drop is gone. The new control panel rocks SIMPLY !

Got the compressor working (in monitoring AUX only)
got the reverb working (in monitoring AUX only)

I can only listen to whats plugged in (guitar/mic) when my C-R is AUX...
and to hear my PC signal i have to keep it DAW..but then i dont hear AUX (whats plugged in)

what do i gota do to play something on my PC and jam along...
lets say i play a drum loop media player... i wana jam along with my MIC and GUITAR (using the board compressor and reverb)

sounds like i need to combine the AUX stuff and DAW stuff...
please point out the missing link !

once i break this...i will move onto recording with onboard comp n reverb !

i read the manual BTW....it explains and define much...but i would have appreciated a sequenced setup for various applications...standalone..with DAW...and so on. The signal flows diags are nice but the same thing should have been elaborated scenario wise.

I guess this led to giving us Mr.George as a human guide. Great contributions from his side.

thanks guys !

[trock]

you need to know your mixer, in cubase you can set up your inputs and ouputs based on your sound card and name them however you want

on my N12 i have

input 1 - mono input - pendulum audio quartet - this is my quarter inserted into the channel 1 on the n12 and its named QUARTET

input 2 - LA 610 mono input and named LA610

input 3 - sebatron thorax - mono input - name THORAX

input 3/4 - stereo input - ELEVEN rack from digi - named ELEVEN

input 4/5 - stereo input - BOSS GT-10 - named GT-10

input 9/10 - Triton pro - stereo input - TRITON

input 11/12 - Fractal AXE - stereo input - FRACTAL

i have a set of event asp8's of CR A, an set of JBL LSR25p's of CR B

i feed my ST out to a headphone amp

etc

so just set up how may mono or stereo inputs you want, based on the mixer you have and name them accordingly

then in cubase you can do a new project and you will see them when you select your inputs for a track


you need to learn cubase input and output, VST connections and setting them up based on the n8 or n12 ins and outs

[kamiahmed]

Originally Posted by trock

you need to know your mixer, in cubase you can set up your inputs and ouputs based on your sound card and name them however you want

you need to learn cubase input and output, VST connections and setting them up based on the n8 or n12 ins and outs

thanks for the tip.....will try this out..


my question at this stage...if you please :
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a regular sound card usually works this way :
-you can hear your windows/daw/os sounds throughout
-you can hear the instrument when you plug it in...
-meaning you hear EVERYTHING simultaneously...

with N8... to hear windows/daw i have to press DAW as C-R source
and to hear my plugged in instrument... i have to do the AUX routing and press AUX as C-R source...but then there is no windows/daw sounds

in nuendo/cubase...i know how to do this...i know how to monitor my instrument while the rest of the session plays... i press the YELLOW monitor button.

but generally (without cubase/nuendo) how do i hear my windows/daw sounds and plugged in instruments simultaneously ????

lets say i wanna play an mp3 file and jam with my acoustic guitar using the the N8 reverb...

can someone layout quick steps???
pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees

[trock]

i can hear everything, but to hear the guitar if i am playing that i have to hit the monitor button on the track of the guitar for direct monitoring

that way everything is playing behind it and i can hear the guitar to

[kamiahmed]

Originally Posted by trock

i can hear everything, but to hear the guitar if i am playing that i have to hit the monitor button on the track of the guitar for direct monitoring

that way everything is playing behind it and i can hear the guitar to

u speak of INSIDE cubase/nuendo right ! The yellow/orange monitor icon on the channel.

but with my M-audio box.... i could hear everything ALONG with my plugged in instrument at all times... whether i was using nuendo/cubase or not.

I am guessing N8 does not do that..there is some routing trick i will need to figure out.

UNLESS someone has got beans to spill

just to explain my classic scenario...when i used M-audio....i had my guitar directly plugged to the sound card...i could hear the clean guitar signal...then i would open nuendo....add a guitar track and insert a guitar distortion vst plugin...and to hear the wet (distortion) effect i would press the monitor button. But otherwise...my clean guitar signal would be audible at all times once plugged into the m-audio no matter i was using nuendo or not.

[kamiahmed]

Originally Posted by Wiseg

also i would suggest not using the n8 to run your computer sounds but route your internal soundcard to the 2tr inputs, which then can be routed within the mixer to the stereo buss, which then you can route the guitar's channel on the stereo buss also

will read the manual...AGAIN

by internal sound card you mean the built-in audio ports of my motherboard ??

you want me to use the PCs audio interface for playing window sounds... patch its output (phones) to the TR inputs of the N8 (using a stereo to RCA cable)

then TR > ST > DAW somehow...more routing...till everything is audible..right ?

i will try this and some further stunts n attempts.

Can you tell me whats your C-R source set to where you hear everything connected after routing ?? As in whats your source set to usually / most of the time ??

thanks for all the bits !

[kamiahmed]

Objective : Hear my input channels (instrument) and DAW sounds together !!
Helpers on THIS subject : WISEG, LEMONTREE

Not necessary to have cubase/nuendo open.
This is about hearing your mic/instrument with DAW sound. On other mobile recording interfaces this happens by default…but with the Ns you gota do some routing.

The following 4 steps allow me to hear my guitar along with the DAW (nuendo/windows/any) sounds.

• On mixer Channel 1 – press the ON button, the green ST button and raise the fader to 0db.
• On mixer STEREO channel – press the ON button and raise the fader to 0db.
• Above the STEREO channel press the DAW TO ST button and raise its level.
• Choose the C-R SOURCE as ST.

Routing explanation :
Step 1 sends your instrument signal to a chain called ST buss.
Step 2 is like a master volume of the ST buss at this point.
Step 3 adds the DAW sounds to the ST buss.
Step 4 outputs the ST buss to your monitors.

Iam a beginner learning my way around.
Will be posting such basic TIPS just show my appreciation to all contributors.

[Lemontree]

It's all in the manual in great detail. That's why I stressed that you read it a few times over to get your head around it.

I have no idea why this guy is telling you to keep your onboard sound and wire it to the 2 track input from your motherboard.

If you have any other soundcard in your computer either pull it or disable it. Windows sounds etc should be set up in control pannel and pointed at the YSFW driver (or Mlan if you haven't updated).

[Lemontree]

Originally Posted by kamiahmed

with N8... to hear windows/daw i have to press DAW as C-R source
and to hear my plugged in instrument... i have to do the AUX routing and press AUX as C-R source...but then there is no windows/daw sounds

in nuendo/cubase...i know how to do this...i know how to monitor my instrument while the rest of the session plays... i press the YELLOW monitor button.

but generally (without cubase/nuendo) how do i hear my windows/daw sounds and plugged in instruments simultaneously ????

lets say i wanna play an mp3 file and jam with my acoustic guitar using the the N8 reverb...

can someone layout quick steps???
pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees

I do it like this
Set your CR monitoring to ST

Master fader at 0

Daw to ST button pressed with trim at 1 o'clock ...this lets you hear the playback from your mp3 player from within windows

Plug your guitar into a channel on the N. Make sure at the top of the channel the light is GREEN and not yellow, this represents Audio IN. Bring the fader up to 0. Make sure the ST button next to the fader on that channel is illuminated green.....this lets you send the signat to the ST buss (which you are monitoring from the CR section)

On the reverb channel make sure you have the send to ST button pressed and illuminated green, this will send the reverb to the ST channel also. Make the adjustment of how much you want by using the REV on the channel you have the guitar plugged into.

Compressor.... now you have the guitar coming in and passing signal turn the gain of the compressor fully clockwise on the channel your guitar is on. See it light up red? that's the compressor working. If it's not red turn up the gain on the channel...twist your knob till it feels right

Forget onboard sound and routing that to 2 track in, that's the worst advice I've ever heard.

Just set your windows sound to come through the Mlan stereo out

[Lemontree]

Originally Posted by Wiseg

for what he wanted to achieve it was needed, as using the n12 as the main computer soundcard, all windows sound would be coming out of the daw cr source,
considering he wanted to jam with media player/ or anything else connected to the 2tr inputs, , i gave him a solution to his problem.

Remember im not utilizing the driver for the n12 as its unstable for me, and the methos i gave the user could be used without a computer being on so he can use the wire to plug in a cd player/ipod etc.


but i forgot to say that this method is only for jamming as he intends,

when the new drivers are released at the end of this month, he cant use the yamaha steinberg drivers and simply press the daw to stereo , adjust volume and send the guitar to the stereo bus also,

It's just bad advice, that's why there is a DAW to ST button with a trim control . You keep the N12/8 in ST listening mode and hear what's coming from the daw by using the DAW to ST button. How much more simple could it be?

[kamiahmed]

Originally Posted by Lemontree

I do it like this
Set your CR monitoring to ST

Master fader at 0

Daw to ST button pressed with trim at 1 o'clock ...this lets you hear the playback from your mp3 player from within windows

Plug your guitar into a channel on the N. Make sure at the top of the channel the light is GREEN and not yellow, this represents Audio IN. Bring the fader up to 0. Make sure the ST button next to the fader on that channel is illuminated green.....this lets you send the signat to the ST buss (which you are monitoring from the CR section)

On the reverb channel make sure you have the send to ST button pressed and illuminated green, this will send the reverb to the ST channel also. Make the adjustment of how much you want by using the REV on the channel you have the guitar plugged into.

Compressor.... now you have the guitar coming in and passing signal turn the gain of the compressor fully clockwise on the channel your guitar is on. See it light up red? that's the compressor working. If it's not red turn up the gain on the channel...twist your knob till it feels right

Forget onboard sound and routing that to 2 track in, that's the worst advice I've ever heard.

Just set your windows sound to come through the Mlan stereo out

damm lemontree .... this is exactly what i was lookin for at first...y didnt u tell me before

well anyways...the good thing is that we have added (maybe re-added )to the knowledge base. Plus....we all got our style of working...hence the various advices.

cheerz guys
uve got me rocking !!!

[Lemontree]

Originally Posted by Wiseg

i know its real simple, but for me using win7, utilizing the yamaha steinberg drivers ultimatly results in BSOD with or without cubase.

anything that makes calls to the drivers the results would eventually be the same as always (crash).

as i recall your back on xp so you dont have this problem , i cant be asked to reinstall xp and all my apps its too time consuming.

for me my method is crash proof until the new drivers.

but yes your method does work without using onboard sound, my method can be used offline with the computer off and another device plugged in the 2tr ports.

so either way they both achieve the same results just my method is a work around so windows 7 64bit does not crash otherwise i would use my mixer as you have described.

i do use it like that when im in cubase, even though the drivers are unstable , i have to try and get some work done.

All good and well but giving advice to someone based on how your setup works to avoid a driver issue when the guy doesn't HAVE a driver issue is leading him down the wrong road, therefore BAD ADVICE in my book.

DISCLAIMER: "Wiseg" is in no way an abbreviation of WISE GUY

[Lemontree]

Originally Posted by kamiahmed

damm lemontree .... this is exactly what i was lookin for at first...y didnt u tell me before

Because it's all in the manual and it's easier to follow the manuals direct instruction than it is to follow half a dozen interpitations of that instruction set from people with varying degrees of knowledge on the subject on a message board.

[kamiahmed]

Originally Posted by Lemontree

DISCLAIMER: "Wiseg" is in no way an abbreviation of WISE GUY

lol...but the lemon here is definitely sour..

rock ON

i will soon upload some captures yeah

[Lemontree]

Originally Posted by Wiseg

the rule for any audio firewire device is you should look for a TI texas instruments built into the motherboard, or you will have to buy a seperate pci card with a ti chip.

More bollocks and bad advice

There's a LIST of approved FW chipsets on the Yamaha website. Not ALL are TI chipsets.

That's the whole problem with the internet, one nube gets a hint of good advice from another and decides it is FACT to pass on to everyone else below his learning level. It's totaly up

[Wiseg]

use the n8/n12 how ever you want, i wont waste my time only to get backlash when what i posted is accurate.

lemon judging from the plays of your myspace, things aint going so well, so please dont be bitter at the world for your failures within the trade.

[kamiahmed]

guys...chill out and enjoy this sample

my most basic YAMAHA acoustic guitar (non-solid-top) with the AKG4000 pointing between the glory hole and 12th fret. Recorded outside the booth in the control room...no Q and no plugs.

do comment
be

[Wiseg]

Originally Posted by kamiahmed

guys...chill out and enjoy this sample

my most basic YAMAHA acoustic guitar (non-solid-top) with the AKG4000 pointing between the glory hole and 12th fret. Recorded outside the booth in the control room...no Q and no plugs.

do comment
be

sounds great

[Lemontree]

Originally Posted by Wiseg

lemon judging from the plays of your myspace, things aint going so well, so please dont be bitter at the world for your failures within the trade.

oh come on, it's had a few hits for a hobby. I do have a day job to keep me busy in between correcting your wrong advice . Although it IS nice to see you went back and deleted most of the posts with that bad advice...atleast in this thread

kamiahmedm, glad you got things working...see I'm not that sour, possibly bitter and a little twisted but not sour

[kamiahmed]

Originally Posted by Lemontree

glad you got things working...see I'm not that sour, possibly bitter and a little twisted but not sour

this calls for a lemonade party

[awaker]

Hello n12 and n8 owners!
I would like to bypass yamaha's preamps and use my external mic preamp (goldmike) which have xlr inputs and outputs.I done this with a Y cable(Trs to 2 xlr) but the input level of the Goldmike is to hot so i have to reduce the gain to much...
Also the Gain of the Yamaha n12 channel also works...i think this shouldn't be that way if the yamaha's preamp is bypassed...
Do i make something wrong??
Thank you in advance for your time!!!
Antony
Greece

[tyco]

Where does a guy register his n12?
Serial #, place of purchase, etc.
I can't find the link..........
Thanks

[mkok]

Before my last pc died the n12 ran perfectly with the via fw chipset ( in the yamaha list) so I can confirm its not just TI chipsets.

Anyway has anyone got the n12 working with win7 64 and cubase 5 without the BSOD when shutting down. Actually has anyone got it working with the 32bit version or is this the same?

I have win7 ready to install but waiting for the n12 driver. I did try with the RC win 7 but it was eratic and then the BSOD came back sigh!!

[soundrage]

Originally Posted by awaker

Hello n12 and n8 owners!
I would like to bypass yamaha's preamps and use my external mic preamp (goldmike) which have xlr inputs and outputs.I done this with a Y cable(Trs to 2 xlr) but the input level of the Goldmike is to hot so i have to reduce the gain to much...
Also the Gain of the Yamaha n12 channel also works...i think this shouldn't be that way if the yamaha's preamp is bypassed...
Do i make something wrong??
Thank you in advance for your time!!!
Antony
Greece

Are you using the inserts?

[awaker]

Originally Posted by soundrage

Are you using the inserts?

Yes,i use the inserts of the N12.Is it normal that the gain still works?I thought that the inserts bypassed the N12's preamps.Also at this connection,the goldmike hit the reds very quickly without a linear response...