Yamaha n Series

[soundrage]

Originally Posted by Wiseg

im running the same set up, and its very unstable, BSod's all the time, i have a ssd so the boot up is fast but its a workflow killa, also does any 1 experience battery 3 crash's ??

i want new drivers, win 7 has launched and the latest Yamaha dirvers work with alot of differnt hardware, why is there not been a mention of a release date nor any announcement?

wheres the official response?

This is interesting....as of 10-22-09 Yamaha released Win 7 drivers for the Motif Synth's.

[Wiseg]

"Angus Baigent wrote in the cubase.net forums under the mr816 section

win7 drivers, tools and extensions are on their way. stay tuned! eta 3-4 weeks"

both the mr816 and the n12 use the same yamaha steinberg FW driver's so hopefully we will see a win 7 official driver.

fingers crossed.

[trock]

hopefully snow leopard drivers also

[mkok]

Yeh come on Yamaha. I have been using the beta win7 and getting the bsod. I see it still has not been resolved with the release. The new win7 on mytable will get installed when the new driver appears

[woObert]

this is my current setup.

Apogee Rosetta AD (not the 200, but the older gray one)
MOTU Ultralite MK3 (clocked to the rosetta)
Dangerous 2-Bus LT

i really want better AD/DA and clock. i've heard that the rosetta i
have is not as good as the newer rosettas (the 200). so i wanna
know if the Steinberg MR816 is better than my rosettas AD and clock.
and is it better than my motu mk3's DA. if it is better, then how much better? also, how would the MR816's AD/DA compare to a MOTUHD 192
modded by Black Lion Audio (also using a BLA clock). i just got
cubase 5 btw, so that's part of the reason that i'm considering the
MR816. please help me..

[thesteam]

Originally Posted by Wiseg

"Angus Baigent wrote in the cubase.net forums under the mr816 section

win7 drivers, tools and extensions are on their way. stay tuned! eta 3-4 weeks"

both the mr816 and the n12 use the same yamaha steinberg FW driver's so hopefully we will see a win 7 official driver.

fingers crossed.

In the meantime, are people using the Win Vista 32 bit drivers under Win 7?
Should I bother to try installing them? Please, if you have experience with this, please share it.
Thank you.
Douglas

[Wiseg]

Originally Posted by thesteam

In the meantime, are people using the Win Vista 32 bit drivers under Win 7?
Should I bother to try installing them? Please, if you have experience with this, please share it.
Thank you.
Douglas

depending on what windows you are using, im using win 7 64bit, i installed the 64 bit drivers. then the 32bit extensions, to enable the play fast forware controls etc and to link with cubase >>cubase ready light.

but the drivers are unstable and i get BSOD all the time, and have other problems also,

[mkok]

Originally Posted by Wiseg

depending on what windows you are using, im using win 7 64bit, i installed the 64 bit drivers. then the 32bit extensions, to enable the play fast forware controls etc and to link with cubase >>cubase ready light.

but the drivers are unstable and i get BSOD all the time, and have other problems also,

Yup exactly what I have found. Hopefully new drivers soon

[thesteam]

This is the answer I got to the question... "When will Win 7 drivers be out for the n12?"...from Yamaha support.

"Hello Douglas,

They are working on getting a Windows 7 compatible driver available, when available it will be posted on the Yamahasynth.com site.

-Mike"

No mention of when... but at least they are "working" on it.

[rtownsend]

Personally, with an application as complicated as a DAW and an OS and all the applications that go with it, I'd wait 6 months to 1 year for let things settle out. My next move will be to 64 bit, but that won't be for some time. Some of the audio applications I want to run are not native 64-bit yet.

I just found out the other day: Windows 7 Home will only address 16GB of memory (artifical limitation, apparently). Windows 7 Professional doesn't have this restriction. So, I'm just going to keep learning for a few months, and watch for native 64-bit versions of applications to become available. Also, I don't like using version 1.0 of 32->64 bit-converted applications, either.

They don't call it the bleeding edge for nothing.

I was in software development for years - this stuff isn't easy. And the financial temptation to release software before it's ready is real.

I've been using XP, and haven't had any significant problems - except I'm always aware that the 3-4GB limit is there.

Note: I don't consider myself anywhere near an expert on DAWs or OSes. This is just my 2 cents. And that's probably what it's worth...

[awaker]

Hello,
I currently own a n12 (soon i expand it with a n8) and i am working cubase 4 essentials in Xp 32 bit.If i upgrade to Cubase 5 studio with the same setup(latest n12 drivers) do 'll have problems with it?
Thanks in advance

[grame99]

anyone know if i can plug my new 13" macbook pro into my n12?

[kamiahmed]

Greetings
tomorrow i become the latest owner of an N8.

been through much of the thread but didn’t have the hardware to DO IT thus I got lost midway with the updates .

Since much has changed and updated...i wont be following the BOX install protocol. All i ask is for a quick install list (driver+firmware+updater+any warnings) that I need to download and install in the correct sequence.

My specs :
Quad Core Q6600, 4GB ram, XP Pro SP2 32-Bit
Gigabyte motherboard, builtin TI firewire + got an additional TI FW pci too.
DAWS : Nuendo 3 and 4
(planning to use full N8 functionality with Nuendo 4, or sometimes limitedly with Nuendo 3....DAWs and plugins are already installed...wont be installing Cubase)

Will be using N8 alone with my DAW. No other hardware.
Kindly advise

Rgrds
KAM.

[Lemontree]

The biggest worry for me over the N12 is on the steinberg site: under their listed compatable hardware there is never a single mention of the N12 even though it carries the cubase logo.

Plenty on the steinberg hardware page about the CC121, CI2, MR816 CSX and MR816 X, but not a single mention of the N12 and there never has been.

I think the problems with the N12 driver stability issues have long since been roecognised by steinberg and dare I say it, side stepped, leaving us all with a very expensive paper weight.

I bought mine just before the A&H R16 came out and am kicking myself now that I jumped in while I did.

While my N12 was solid on 32bit xp with AI4 and Cubase studio 4, as soon as I made the leap to Cubase 5 it started getting flakey. More and more I see myself getting total dropout for 1-2 seconds while tracking with the ASIO meter never above 20%, no spikes, no nothing, just total loss of sound and cubase ready light, then it comes back like it was never gone.

Great convertors and great mic pre's and great reverb and a cool morphing comp can't make up for stability....stability is what I rely on, as I guess most of us do. That's what we paid for and that's what a LOT of us are not getting. It's a shame, and my guess is that George forseen steinberg/yamaha turning their back on the N12 and got out with his reputation intact. Who could blame him? Not me.

If you are thinking of purchasing an N8 or N12 for the first time have a look at the ratio of issues to working systems in this thread and think again unless you are happy to be running cubase 4 on xp 32bit. That is the only stable setup I know of after 18 months of owning an N12 and following this thread and every other thread I can find on the internet about it.

[kamiahmed]

Dear LEMONTREE
appreciate such a reactive share

i understand and 100% agree...specially when you pay for something that turns out to be pandora's box

due to my limited requirement as well as budget...and all those RME...ONYX..bla bla comparisons i have decided on N8

There are some who have been on the fly with the box since day 1..while some got greatly disappointed...i hope the N8 shows me mercy

I wish all the best to the YAMAHA team and believe that the drivers will enhance in time and problems fade away...there are many more brands that suck in the same area....yeah !

Anyways....back to my help list.
BUMP x 99

[grame99]

my n12 runs faultlessly on winxp 32 bit and cubase 5.

just not sure if it will run on snow leopard...

[marz1beats]

Originally Posted by Lemontree

The biggest worry for me over the N12 is on the steinberg site: under their listed compatable hardware there is never a single mention of the N12 even though it carries the cubase logo.

Plenty on the steinberg hardware page about the CC121, CI2, MR816 CSX and MR816 X, but not a single mention of the N12 and there never has been.

I think the problems with the N12 driver stability issues have long since been roecognised by steinberg and dare I say it, side stepped, leaving us all with a very expensive paper weight.

I bought mine just before the A&H R16 came out and am kicking myself now that I jumped in while I did.

While my N12 was solid on 32bit xp with AI4 and Cubase studio 4, as soon as I made the leap to Cubase 5 it started getting flakey. More and more I see myself getting total dropout for 1-2 seconds while tracking with the ASIO meter never above 20%, no spikes, no nothing, just total loss of sound and cubase ready light, then it comes back like it was never gone.

Great convertors and great mic pre's and great reverb and a cool morphing comp can't make up for stability....stability is what I rely on, as I guess most of us do. That's what we paid for and that's what a LOT of us are not getting. It's a shame, and my guess is that George forseen steinberg/yamaha turning their back on the N12 and got out with his reputation intact. Who could blame him? Not me.

If you are thinking of purchasing an N8 or N12 for the first time have a look at the ratio of issues to working systems in this thread and think again unless you are happy to be running cubase 4 on xp 32bit. That is the only stable setup I know of after 18 months of owning an N12 and following this thread and every other thread I can find on the internet about it.

Well said lemontree...all I can say is if there is anyone reading this contemplating a n12 all i can do is echo what the last post said.... DO NOT BUY a yamaha n12.

I actually dont think it is fair that in order to run the n12 in a stable manner I would have to install a 32 bit operating system developed over 8 years ago...

I wouldnt be so upset if Yamaha/steinberg hadnt kept selling me on how seamlessly "integrated" the n12 is with cubase. In all my years I have been involved with audio gear and even computers I have NEVER seen a piece of hardware and software so stubbornly refuse to cooperate (or even work in any manner). BSODs? Really? For $2000? Really?

If I did this to one of my customers I would fully expect them to take me to court....

[rtownsend]

At the top of page 99 I documented my install procedure in detail. We have similar hardware specs. You can pick out the pieces that are pertinent in your situation. It may be a little outdated, so be careful about that.

Originally Posted by kamiahmed

Greetings
tomorrow i become the latest owner of an N8.

been through much of the thread but didn’t have the hardware to DO IT thus I got lost midway with the updates .

Since much has changed and updated...i wont be following the BOX install protocol. All i ask is for a quick install list (driver+firmware+updater+any warnings) that I need to download and install in the correct sequence.

My specs :
Quad Core Q6600, 4GB ram, XP Pro SP2 32-Bit
Gigabyte motherboard, builtin TI firewire + got an additional TI FW pci too.
DAWS : Nuendo 3 and 4
(planning to use full N8 functionality with Nuendo 4, or sometimes limitedly with Nuendo 3....DAWs and plugins are already installed...wont be installing Cubase)

Will be using N8 alone with my DAW. No other hardware.
Kindly advise

Rgrds
KAM.

[kamiahmed]

Originally Posted by rtownsend

At the top of page 99 I documented my install procedure in detail. We have similar hardware specs. You can pick out the pieces that are pertinent in your situation. It may be a little outdated, so be careful about that.

OUTDATED...ima scared of... means hiccups and shaky errors
thats y i need a short quickie updated list....a clean LIST !

Anyone expert on this...kindly HELP

[MikeHolloway]

Haven't been on here for a while but that's largely because my N12 works faultlessly and reliably under OSX Leopard. I did have a power suply failure but Yamaha UK replaced it FOC.

There, a positive reply. Of course there are more problems posted than there are positives; it's in the nature of an online forum that you use it when things aren't working.

One of the issues seems to be folks getting all excited about the latest OS and upgrading too soon (obviously, if you're starting from scratch, you often don't get to choose though). It has always been the case that things take a long time to settle down after new OS is released (just look at how many patches the OS will dowload and install in the first few months) so 'sensible' users tend to wait till the dust settles before moving forwards.

Remember kids; if it aint broke, don't fix it.

I use my studio semi-professionally and the N12/Mac/Cubase 5 combo is the core of my setup. If it wasn't stable and didn't give great results I'd be looking to change it.

I probably will upgrade to Snow Leopard but only when I can use it reliably. Until then I'm quite happy being able to spend hours in the studio with hardly a glitch.

Good luck to those of you waiting on the new drivers, I've had similar problems in the past and know how frustrating it can be.

M

[kamiahmed]

Originally Posted by MikeHolloway

Remember kids; if it aint broke, don't fix it.

that sort of implies i should go by the box install...and update if required !
actually thats right...i might be one of the luckies to get it working out of the box...and i shouldnt really skip the box install i think and jump to updates straightaway .

next stop....will be looking at rtownsend's installation steps he mentioned

guess its every techy for himself
hop i dont come back with problems...

thanks guys

[trock]

my mac pro/n12/c5 works flawlessly to.

my n12 worked on my PC and now my mac without any issues except the occasional disconnect of driver which was my fault since i didn't shut down properly for a while

that being said IMHO the hold up is steiny. who knows when SL 64 bit will be supported, if ever. yamaha has the capability to whip up drivers anytime they want.

so for now i will just use my combo and wait at least 6 months till after C5 is SL 64 and the n12 also before upgrading.

hell i have logic 9 and its still 32 bit ON A MAC

and don't get me started about how inferior PT LE is compared to C5

i have had them all, except DP and while i still don't really like how cubase looks, i knwo it, and it works, and the n12 is a GREAT piece of kit

[rtownsend]

Originally Posted by MikeHolloway

Remember kids; if it aint broke, don't fix it.

Corollary 1: If you're going to play with a risky upgrade, do it on a new partition. Learn to use a product like BootItNG first (using a new blank hard disk), then either copy an existing partition to a new partition, or install a new version of the OS in a new partition. That way, you still have your old partition, in excellent working order, if you need to fall back.

Disclaimer: I have no business interest or any links of any kind to the company that makes BootItNG. I've just learned how to use it and like it. Just one warning: make damn sure you know how to use it properly before using it with important data.

[BrianR]

I have spent most of today trying to get my N12 working with Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit, (retail, purchased a few days ago, full version) having "in place" upgraded from Vista Ultimate 64 bit.

Kept getting "cannot initialize" (or something similar) trying to open the Yamaha Steinberg FW Driver control panel, which I thought had installed successfully but had not (the same Vista 64 drivers I installed with Vista) also could not see the device in My Computer Device manager.

Googling and reading posts in various forums led me on a trail to Steinberg.Net where I downloaded TOOLS FOR MR 64 bit version 1.5, and with the n12 powered off, I ran 'setup' in the "Driver_" folder.
This seemed to take a long time (more than a few minutes) to complete, but when it had done so I found 'Yamaha Steinberg FW Bus' in 'sound, video and game controllers' in device manager, and the Steinberg FW Driver control panel now opened up and showed as normal.

Then I powered the n12 on, and observed 'Yamaha Steinberg WDM Audio' and 'Yamaha Steinberg WDM midi' appear a few moments later under 'sound, video and game controllers' in Device Manager.

I checked sound files played back OK then started Cubase 5 (64bit) and noted that the 'Cubase' light on the n12 did not come on, and the transport controls did not work so I then went into my original (Vista) 'wintools_for_n_v200x64' folder and from the 'Extensions_' folder I ran 'setup'.

Then starting Cubase 5 again, the 'Cubase' light came on, and the transport controls work OK.

I appreciate this may not be a stable interim solution but I am more hopefull now of my n12 running in Windows 7 64 bit, as it seems to be working using the MR816 driver.

I will report back again after I get finished with reinstalling some VI's
but in the meantime,...

Brian

[kamiahmed]

Originally Posted by rtownsend

Corollary 1: If you're going to play with a risky upgrade, do it on a new partition. Learn to use a product like BootItNG first (using a new blank hard disk), then either copy an existing partition to a new partition, or install a new version of the OS in a new partition. That way, you still have your old partition, in excellent working order, if you need to fall back.

Disclaimer: I have no business interest or any links of any kind to the company that makes BootItNG. I've just learned how to use it and like it. Just one warning: make damn sure you know how to use it properly before using it with important data.

Will do that....and i think we should always have atleast 2 operational boots incase of emergencies....a good practice...

hey ...i know this is not the thread to discuss it...but does 64-bit really go faster....or is it just to make full use of available RAM and other resources..

i can tell you that adding RAM didnt really bring down my nuendo CPU load meter... but overclocking ma processor DID !!!!!! Iam wondering if 64 bit OS will make my processor handle more samples....thus be faster !!!! Or is it that my OS as well as nuendo/cubase should be 64-bit in order to be faster...and 32-bit software doesn't get any speed advantage out of a 64 bit OS.

lemme know yeah !
cheerz

[Lemontree]

Originally Posted by kamiahmed

Will do that....and i think we should always have atleast 2 operational boots incase of emergencies....a good practice...

hey ...i know this is not the thread to discuss it...but does 64-bit really go faster....or is it just to make full use of available RAM and other resources..

i can tell you that adding RAM didnt really bring down my nuendo CPU load meter... but overclocking ma processor DID !!!!!! Iam wondering if 64 bit OS will make my processor handle more samples....thus be faster !!!! Or is it that my OS as well as nuendo/cubase should be 64-bit in order to be faster...and 32-bit software doesn't get any speed advantage out of a 64 bit OS.

lemme know yeah !
cheerz

A 64 bit OS will let you access more than 4GB of RAM, however the N12 becomes unstable with more than 4GB of RAM instaled. Acording to Geosync this is the same with ALL firewire audio devices. Whether that is true or not I can't say because I haven't tested other firewire units but that was straight from the horses mouth so to speak.

I went down the route of instaling XP 64bit a while back so that I could access more than 4GB of RAM. My instal is well detailed somewhere further back in the post. I was the guy that instaled 32 bit cubase 4 on 64bit xp and worked out you had to instal the 64 bit N12 drivers and the 32 bit extentions to get the N12 to talk to cubase. It was a work around both George and I came up with but after only a few days of serious crashes and BSOD's I stripped it out and went back to XP 32 bit

[Lemontree]

Originally Posted by BrianR

I have spent most of today trying to get my N12 working with Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit, (retail, purchased a few days ago, full version) having "in place" upgraded from Vista Ultimate 64 bit.

Kept getting "cannot initialize" (or something similar) trying to open the Yamaha Steinberg FW Driver control panel, which I thought had installed successfully but had not (the same Vista 64 drivers I installed with Vista) also could not see the device in My Computer Device manager.

Googling and reading posts in various forums led me on a trail to Steinberg.Net where I downloaded TOOLS FOR MR 64 bit version 1.5, and with the n12 powered off, I ran 'setup' in the "Driver_" folder.
This seemed to take a long time (more than a few minutes) to complete, but when it had done so I found 'Yamaha Steinberg FW Bus' in 'sound, video and game controllers' in device manager, and the Steinberg FW Driver control panel now opened up and showed as normal.

Then I powered the n12 on, and observed 'Yamaha Steinberg WDM Audio' and 'Yamaha Steinberg WDM midi' appear a few moments later under 'sound, video and game controllers' in Device Manager.

I checked sound files played back OK then started Cubase 5 (64bit) and noted that the 'Cubase' light on the n12 did not come on, and the transport controls did not work so I then went into my original (Vista) 'wintools_for_n_v200x64' folder and from the 'Extensions_' folder I ran 'setup'.

Then starting Cubase 5 again, the 'Cubase' light came on, and the transport controls work OK.

I appreciate this may not be a stable interim solution but I am more hopefull now of my n12 running in Windows 7 64 bit, as it seems to be working using the MR816 driver.

I will report back again after I get finished with reinstalling some VI's
but in the meantime,...

Brian

Looking forward to hearing back from you Brian, especialy with 12GB of RAM instaled

[kamiahmed]

Originally Posted by Lemontree

I was the guy that instaled 32 bit cubase 4 on 64bit xp and worked out you had to instal the 64 bit N12 drivers and the 32 bit extentions to get the N12 to talk to cubase.

did a 32-bit cubase run FASTER on the 64-bit xp... by how much ?

any comments about me getting better performance with overclocking rather than RAM increase.?? Isnt sound processing a real-time thingy that is more effected by faster processing than the CACHE (ram) size.???

I just recently came up with the sampling trick.. i record at 64 samples and mix at 1024 which removes those crackles and stabilizes my CPU load even at high levels of usage.

Now getting back to the context ....
Still waiting for my N8 to arrive...might get it next week.

[Lemontree]

Originally Posted by kamiahmed

did a 32-bit cubase run FASTER on the 64-bit xp... by how much ?

any comments about me getting better performance with overclocking rather than RAM increase.?? Isnt sound processing a real-time thingy that is more effected by faster processing than the CACHE (ram) size.???

I just recently came up with the sampling trick.. i record at 64 samples and mix at 1024 which removes those crackles and stabilizes my CPU load even at high levels of usage.

Now getting back to the context ....
Still waiting for my N8 to arrive...might get it next week.

32 bit cubase on xp 64 had about 5% INCREASE on the ASIO meter in my case.

[kamiahmed]

Originally Posted by Lemontree

32 bit cubase on xp 64 had about 5% INCREASE on the ASIO meter in my case.

thanks for letting know...
when i safe-overclocked my q6600 from 2.4 to 3.15 i got like a 30% difference and sample setings made a great load difference in stabilizing a heavy mix

safe-overclock meaning without any voltage increase.!

over time i've learned many things...like its not the interface quality that effects your production...its your mix skill...no monitors are YUCKY...its your environment ...and you can get used to any monitor in weeks.

And things bout computer stuff...sample setting..overclocking (why spend on a new processor every time..which also leads to a new MB and chips at times)

guess my UNKNOWN ANGEL (n8) will soon add to all this

cheerz everybody !