Pete Yorn "Music for the morning after question"

Stoneroses6300 · 5th July 2007

For anyone who worked or knows a lot on this album, I'm looking for how they did some specific. The sequence on the chorus of the song "Murray"...I've never worked with sequencers before, but I'm wondering how they got it to fit exactly with the groove of the song at the chorus. Can you change the BPM to an exact number on these things? Let me know..Thanks

zibba · 5th July 2007

hey, a sequencer like logic pro has bpm to 3 decimal places and a tempo track that lets you automate the change in tempo across a range of bars. so it's possible to accurately match to the groove of the song, if you have a part that's strictly quantized. or you set the rough bpm of the song and let the human player's groove do the rest.

nadumr · 5th July 2007

first thing's first - play to the click
everything should match up after that

Jamz · 5th July 2007

I believe he played many of the instruments himself on this album. Therefore, it's very likely that he used some kind of click or even sequenced guide track when laying the drums. This would make any sequenced rhythmic patterns or arpeggiated lines totally possible...providing he palyed tight enough. I thnik he did.

Brad_Wood · 5th July 2007

Murray was tracked to a click. Drums were based on a kick & snare sample Pete played that was chopped up in Recycle & then blown into an Emu sampler for playback. Walt's keyboards were locked to the click (in Digital Performer). Some of the arpeggiated parts were hand done, some were using the onboard arpeggiator. I can't remember Walt's arsenal of synths back then, but I had a Waldorf that I was usually trying to get in there.

Best- Brad

Jamz · 5th July 2007

Thanks Brad. You would know!

Musicforthemorningafter remains my favorite PY CD

Stoneroses6300 · 5th July 2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by zibba

hey, a sequencer like logic pro has bpm to 3 decimal places and a tempo track that lets you automate the change in tempo across a range of bars. so it's possible to accurately match to the groove of the song, if you have a part that's strictly quantized. or you set the rough bpm of the song and let the human player's groove do the rest.

First off, thanks Brad. Music for the morning after is seriously one of my favorite albums of all time....

Zibba- I'm not totally aquainted with midi because I never use it in PT except to setup a midi track to play to some virtual instrument...
This may sound dumn, but how do you quantize a part? How does this work? The tracks I'm working on are all played to a click and everything is pretty much perfectly on, but what is the difference with quantization? Thanks for taking the time...

zibba · 10th July 2007

Stoneroses6300, MIDI quantization essentially snaps the start of the note on to the exact beat so that the timing is spot on, for example if the note is to start on beat 2 of the bar, then when quantized it will start exactly at that time. This is in contrast to a note that you might play, which when recorded in the sequencer might start slightly earlier or later depending on the feel you impart into the piece. This subtly in timing makes the part sound more natural.

I've never used ProTools, but there should should be some options that let you set the quantization of a MIDI region, typically to 1/16, 1/24, 1/32, etc.

Hope that helps.

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Stoneroses6300 Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 672 Thread Starter	Pete Yorn "Music for the morning after question" For anyone who worked or knows a lot on this album, I'm looking for how they did some specific. The sequence on the chorus of the song "Murray"...I've never worked with sequencers before, but I'm wondering how they got it to fit exactly with the groove of the song at the chorus. Can you change the BPM to an exact number on these things? Let me know..Thanks

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Jamz Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Bucks County/Philly, PA Posts: 2,339	I believe he played many of the instruments himself on this album. Therefore, it's very likely that he used some kind of click or even sequenced guide track when laying the drums. This would make any sequenced rhythmic patterns or arpeggiated lines totally possible...providing he palyed tight enough. I thnik he did. __________________ Jim Salamone http://cambridgesoundstudios.com http://www.facebook.com/pages/Newtow...9272438?ref=ts http://www.reverbnation.com/cambridgesoundstudios

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zibba Gear interested Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: melbourne, australia Posts: 18	hey, a sequencer like logic pro has bpm to 3 decimal places and a tempo track that lets you automate the change in tempo across a range of bars. so it's possible to accurately match to the groove of the song, if you have a part that's strictly quantized. or you set the rough bpm of the song and let the human player's groove do the rest.

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nadumr Gear maniac Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Surf Avenue, NY Posts: 275	first thing's first - play to the click everything should match up after that

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Brad_Wood Gear nut Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 105	Murray was tracked to a click. Drums were based on a kick & snare sample Pete played that was chopped up in Recycle & then blown into an Emu sampler for playback. Walt's keyboards were locked to the click (in Digital Performer). Some of the arpeggiated parts were hand done, some were using the onboard arpeggiator. I can't remember Walt's arsenal of synths back then, but I had a Waldorf that I was usually trying to get in there. Best- Brad

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Jamz Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Bucks County/Philly, PA Posts: 2,339	Thanks Brad. You would know! Musicforthemorningafter remains my favorite PY CD

10th July 2007	#8
zibba Gear interested Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: melbourne, australia Posts: 18	Stoneroses6300, MIDI quantization essentially snaps the start of the note on to the exact beat so that the timing is spot on, for example if the note is to start on beat 2 of the bar, then when quantized it will start exactly at that time. This is in contrast to a note that you might play, which when recorded in the sequencer might start slightly earlier or later depending on the feel you impart into the piece. This subtly in timing makes the part sound more natural. I've never used ProTools, but there should should be some options that let you set the quantization of a MIDI region, typically to 1/16, 1/24, 1/32, etc. Hope that helps.