Do you use "Bounce to disk" ??

[Haam]

Hi!

I`m just wondering, do you ever use the bounce to disk feature in your DAW or do you record to a master recorder or back to your DAW ?

[Dan]

I record back into the DAW. It helps with workflow, and there is no question about the Dithering, and recording algorithm.

[Jack Ruston]

I use both BTD and I print directly onto audio tracks from analogue.

I have never noticed ANY problems with BTD and my own tests have shown me that files recorded to audio tracks are exactly the same.

That's not to say that BTD was never wrong in the past. It may have been in some previous incarnation of pro tools.

J

[doorknocker]

Always BTD here.

[Jonboy79]

BTD here as well.

[RKrizman]

+1

-R

[Toad]

As much as I've tried to find something wrong with BTD,
It always passes my "tests" with flying colors!!

[Kiwiburger]

Cubase4 and "Export Audio". I've never understood why certain Protools users have felt the need to avoid bouncing to disk. There must have been some issue there at one time.

Recording to another machine would introduce the potential for jitter. There has been some speculation by noted audio professionals that maybe some people like to hear jitter.

There are potential traps though - especially with virtual instrument and effects. Some will render differently offline than they do online. Ssome demo versions are designed to not render offline at all. Others will render in "higher quality" - and sometimes that's an unexpected difference. There is always the potential for a bug to affect offline performance. I would suggest that you freeze or bounce to audio and audition each track before mixing, so these algorithmn issues aren't part of the equation.

[squeeks555]

my mixes alawyes passes through an analog console and gear, so first i record back in to protools, then i export the file so i dont have to sit and listen to the song again,

[Tony Shepperd]

I have not BTD in 5 years. For the past 5 years I Record To Disc.

I have found that there are many advantages to RTD:
The first is, I think it sounds better.
(Although I have been told that since 7.2 Digi has changed the BTD to make it more sonically accurate). I've noticed the automation sometime misfires in a BTD.

If you RTD and the client wants to change something on the bridge, you can just punch in on the bridge, do a crossfade and the consolidate the sound file, then export.

If you RTD you can have the all the files remain as playlists in the session.
That's really handy.

[gutsofgold]

what exactly is "Record to Disk"? I know BTD essentially just prints .wav file, how is RTD any different?

[bcgood]

I record back to my DAW or to my SVHS.

bcgood

[Tony Shepperd]

Originally Posted by gutsofgold

what exactly is "Record to Disk"? I know BTD essentially just prints .wav file, how is RTD any different?

Send me a session of yours and I will prep it for a RTD.
Are you LE or HD?

[Stiff]

BTD, and honestly I find the discussion about it being worse kind of ridiculous.

[duckyboard]

record back into DAW

[picksail]

BTD is fine here on PTHD7.3. Though in the past is had proven more substandard.

I agree with Tony about the automation being screwy sometimes. It doesn't happen very often, but with really dense sessions and tons of automation, I have noticed it.

Like I said, it doesn't happen often at all. 99% of the time it's perfectly fine.

The worst that could happen is that you have to do another bounce.

[mixerguy]

Originally Posted by Stiff

BTD, and honestly I find the discussion about it being worse kind of ridiculous.

Well then, I guess you haven't ever done careful comparisons.



In the past BTD has sounded different than recording back internally to a stereo track - using a buss.

[stevep]

Originally Posted by Tony Shepperd

I have not BTD in 5 years. For the past 5 years I Record To Disc.

.

Hi Tony,

So if your not using BTD, do you just buss to another stereo track ?


I do all my mixing on the console and then into PT stereo track, But sometimes i might want to do some EQ or limiting afterwords ,... i would normally just BTD but is routing the stereo track to a buss then to another stereo track RTD ?


peace,

[gurubuzz]

Originally Posted by stevep

Hi Tony,

So if your not using BTD, do you just buss to another stereo track ?


I do all my mixing on the console and then into PT stereo track, But sometimes i might want to do some EQ or limiting afterwords ,... i would normally just BTD but is routing the stereo track to a buss then to another stereo track RTD ?


peace,

YES,


Does Protools have Offline bounce yet....

I suppose they need 25 years, like cubase, to get it right..

Ever since I switch to Cubase I have always done Export>audio mixdown
offline it's great having a 3 minute song bounce in 1.5 minutes.

BUT

I am in th e process of getting another 8 channels of D/A and routing these directly to my old MUlti FX units and into an analog desk and back to the A/Ds...

I just miss multi FX units.....and desk EQ nit that it's any better it's just quicker to dail up a great sound plus....
..... I'm suffering from MOUSE SHOULDER.

[jeronimo]

BTD when all in the box
re-record back into the DAW when there is a compressor on the stereo buss...
do some "internal" re-recording when using external reverbs.

[gurubuzz]

With offline bounce It always does it 100% the same as what I hear.

Plus in Cubase you can bounce "offline" any channel, Subgroup or output...

It rools

RIP Protools zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[joelpatterson]

Originally Posted by squeeks555

... so i dont have to sit and listen to the song again.

Wait, what?

[SHIRK]

I BTD only when it's a rough mix or soemthing for a quick reference.

I usually print to a new track when it involves something that really counts.

With regard to the offline bounce ot disk. I'm pretty sure ProTools chooses not to do that because the of the i/o options it gives you. If you were to offline bounce to disk at twice the speed on a mix that was incorporating your outboard gear( say a few hardware compressors or eq's as inserts), wouldn't it be all botched up?

I suppose they could give you a checkbox option in the BTD menu for those that don't use any outboard while mixing. Still might be some kind of problem in the TDM architecture ???


Personally, I like having to listen to it back as it bounces or prints. One more step to ensure everything is going OK.

[synth.ignition]

Originally Posted by Stiff

BTD, and honestly I find the discussion about it being worse kind of ridiculous.

if the discussion is ridiculous why bother participating?

[John J.]

BTD PTLE 7.3

[mac black]

RTD and BTD ...

[Tony Shepperd]

Originally Posted by stevep

Hi Tony,

So if your not using BTD, do you just buss to another stereo track ?


I do all my mixing on the console and then into PT stereo track, But sometimes i might want to do some EQ or limiting afterwords ,... i would normally just BTD but is routing the stereo track to a buss then to another stereo track RTD ?

Let me be up front and say that the way I RTD is not sanctioned by Digi.
Some of the guys in Digi think it's actually wrong, but it works for me.

The first thing I do (when I start to mix) is to the right of the master fader, I create an audio track and I label it the name of the song.
At that point I assign the input of that audio track to a buss (usually 31 and 32).
With the output remaining as 1 and 2.

I then go to my Master fader and I route it's output to buss 31 and 32.
Then I select all of the audio tracks, aux, groups to buss 31 and 32.

In order to hear this, you then have to put the audio track on input so that you can hear your mix.

After Record the song down, I select the exact length I want and Record to Disc.
Then select the file, do command + option + K, and export selected sound file as whatever suits you (I use BWF).
Then I will make a new play list on the audio track and do the TV mix.
Then another playlist and the instrumental.... you get the idea.

Now a lot of people send the master fader to an Aux track, and then the Aux track goes to the audio track.
I don't like to do that because it's one more pass through the internal bussing and honestly I like the way it sounds without the Aux track.

Bussing the entire project should take about 1 minute to setup.

[narcoman]

BTD is a pain and in all actuality takes longer to do in any DAW. Yes, its initially quicker in all DAWS (but PT) but you are going to have to listen to that mix anyway - so you might as well do it in real time. As for not using BTD in PT , any mistakes you spot halfway through are going to mean an abort - rather than just dropping in. and when your mixing a 22 part TV series with nearly 30 mins of music per episode i know which id rather do.....

[peeder]

Originally Posted by Tony Shepperd

I then go to my Master fader and I route it's output to buss 31 and 32.
...
Now a lot of people send the master fader to an Aux track, and then the Aux track goes to the audio track.

You don't "route" or "send" a master fader. A master fader is always present for each and every output and bus. When you change the "output" of the master fader, you're simply swapping that master fader for another one that was previously hidden, and copying the settings/plugins over. You can have multiple master faders visible, but notice, you can only have one on a given output/bus channel (whether mono or stereo).

[jeronimo]

Originally Posted by Tony Shepperd

...
After Record the song down, I select the exact length I want and Record to Disc.
Then select the file, do command + option + K, and export selected sound file as whatever suits you (I use BWF).
Then I will make a new play list on the audio track and do the TV mix.
Then another playlist and the instrumental.... you get the idea.
...

One thing I don't get:

If you'll create a new playlist, and mess around with your mix to make different versions, why not only save the session with a new name re-record to disk?

did I made myself clear?