Why you dont sign with a major!

quietdrive · 5th June 2007, 02:13 PM

Pay attention to when he wants to meet the President... about 2 minutes in. How disrespectful was THAT?

YouTube - EVAN TAUBENFELD

chetatkinsdiet · 5th June 2007, 02:29 PM

...yeah, that's not just a business thing either. I've had corporate day jobs forever and it's just f-ing rude...no, it would be non-existent, to make anyone wait for 5 hours for a scheduled meeting. It would take all of about 7 seconds to ask the call to wait a second, walk to the door, shake his hand and say I'm sorry, something came up, let's reschedule. Or, it would take about 3 seconds to email your secretary while you're on the call to tell him that you'll have to reschedule. What a prick.

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Vinrockindie · 5th June 2007, 02:31 PM

I would say the little secretary didn't even bother to tell the guy that he had someone waiting. She was probably too wrapped up in her AIM conversation.

I would've walked right in.

FFTT · 5th June 2007, 02:38 PM

I turned a talented young friend of mine on to a local BIG publisher through someone else I knew.

This artist already had a well done CD and of course owned all her material outright.

While it's true that he could have helped her greatly through the people he knew,
he also wanted 70% publishing and of course wanted her to re-record everything
so he would own the masters.

She's still a poor struggling artist, but she still has her self respect.

dlmorley · 5th June 2007, 02:43 PM

Wow. Terrible music...

chandlersonic · 5th June 2007, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dlmorley

Wow. Terrible music...

No kidding! Yuck!

warhead · 5th June 2007, 03:44 PM

Pretty uninspired sounding stuff.

"I have no desire to co-write whatsoever."

Hmm.....

War

el cochino · 5th June 2007, 03:46 PM

I wouldn't wanna talk to this asshole either.

PoorGlory · 5th June 2007, 03:50 PM

Yea, the music blows. This kid will probably go nowhere, but it's a shame because he apparently has worked hard and there's a bunch of people kissing his ass. What they won't tell him is that in 3 years this music will be as outdated as late 90's rap-metal.

But yea, that president is a prick. I'm almost glad that no one is is buying their shitty CDs anymore. Ok, no I'm not, but he still deserves for his company to fail.

theblue1 · 5th June 2007, 03:56 PM

Just another cookie out of the big machine.

I feel bad for the guy (not that that made me watch much past the secretary saying it was 6 pm)... here he does everything "right" and gives the honchos the kind of manicured, heavily processed "rock" that system thinks it thrives on and...

... that said... truly boring product...

PS... I don't think we have to wait for this music to sound outdated... and now I'm back to some pretty timeless Louvin Brothers...

quietdrive · 5th June 2007, 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theblue1

I feel bad for the guy (not that that made me watch much past the secretary saying it was 6 pm)

Well you should.. the best part of the entire video is the co-writting session with Desmond Child. ****in hilarious. I love how Desmond sits there like a prick, in his big chair, in front of his GIANT desk, with his grammy on it.. the two other guys are almost kneeling in front of him. It all has a "come on, impress me" vibe to it. Wouldnt feel comfortable co-writing like that.

And guys, why do we need to bash the kid's music? Lets just enjoy this video for what it is..

denne · 5th June 2007, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoorGlory

In 3 years this music will be as outdated as late 90's rap-metal.

No, it IS outdated - today .. now ... in this very moment. That's why the guy doesn't get signed. you have to write the music of tomorrow if you want to be signed today.

theblue1 · 5th June 2007, 04:36 PM

Actually, I think you have to write about 15 minutes into the future.

I don't think most execs would know tomorrow's music if it hit them in the face with a dead fish.

quietdrive · 5th June 2007, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by denne

No, it IS outdated - today .. now ... in this very moment. That's why the guy doesn't get signed. you have to write the music of tomorrow if you want to be signed today.

1. He already IS signed
2. Music is a very subjective thing
3. "you have to write the music of tomorrow if you want to be signed today" THIS IS A JOKE ISNT IT? You seem to know squad about this BUSINESS.

BJohnston · 5th June 2007, 04:38 PM

Nothin like writin tunes with a guy while he's behind his desk...great vibe!!!
Welcome to the big time kid...where "no inspiration" is the new "inspiration".

GravityRobert · 5th June 2007, 04:40 PM

Yeah, pretty shitty music. Shitty voice, no wonder he doesnt want to talk with him

not_so_new · 5th June 2007, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by denne

No, it IS outdated - today .. now ... in this very moment. That's why the guy doesn't get signed. you have to write the music of tomorrow if you want to be signed today.

Really?

Could have fooled me especially if you take into consideration that music from majors has sounded about the same for the last 10 years or so....

Oh and I am pretty sure this dude is "signed" he is just getting the same jerk off from the labels that most people do.

quietdrive · 5th June 2007, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nandoanalog

I don`t get it... He can`t sing, he can`t play, he can`t compose, all he wants is money and chicks....

The kid has everything needed to sell albums! Why can`t he get signed?

"Why cant he get signed?" Awesome. We are discussing how the label president treats him and then we get this comment.. TWICE! Somebody else posted this also before him But its awesome... finally people start exposing themselves... obviously this dude here didnt even watch the video to start with, and is just posting shit based on what some other people posted. GREAT! I LOVE IT.

No wonder a lot of people on here just bash/praise gear cause everybody is doing it... "uhhh, did you try this piece of gear yourself?" "no, but my friend doesnt like it"

Darkening · 5th June 2007, 05:00 PM

"It's not Desmond, I just have no desire to co-write, whatsoever"

This kid plays with Avril for 3 years, a couple groupies tell him he should go solo, and the whole experience went to his head. This kid's career is over before it began, and he only has himself to blame.

If I was the president I would have had my secretary **** with him too.

I wonder how long it will be until he regrets quitting Avril Incorporated?

When Howard Benson or Desmond Child are working to help you write a pop song, and you're a little poppy teenboi, why the **** would would try to go against the grain? This guy not only played for Avril, he's suffering from the same "I'm not pop, I'm punk-rock" hallucinations she used to. At least now she acts like the pop-starlet she is and not a rock-goddess.

WB is a shithole record label. Just ask Mr. Bungle.

brainmeat · 5th June 2007, 05:01 PM

I hate this shit.

So ****ing cookie cutter, what's his biggest influence? Lifehouse? Perhaps that works synergistically with his STYLIST's biggest influence. Very important, you know?

DeathMonkey · 5th June 2007, 05:06 PM

I love how he tried to get the apartment Rick James died in.

The session with Desmond was interesting, tho. " Hey, I've had a great life... you're that kinda guy, you're not a misfit" - I love it!

quietdrive · 5th June 2007, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nandoanalog

That was probably the most retarded post ever. Yes, I watched the video. And no. I did not read any comment before I posted mine.

You acted very very very much retarded.

Did I mention that you sounded retarded?

Amazing how you try to make me look bad in order to save face. IF you would have REALLY watched the video you wouldve NOT posted "Why cant he get signed?". The video clearly shows him at his record label.

heyman · 5th June 2007, 05:24 PM

Man, you really have to have your guard up with Record companies. Go somewhere where they treat you with respect and you give it back. If they are kissing your ass or the other way around, you are not at the right place.

Find the right relationship where you can thrive. My old band Signed a 3 album deal with a Indie label only after 5 months of negotiation with a Entertainment lawyer we hired.. If you are worth it to them, they will bend...

We ended up owning half the publishing rites and 16% net on each album, I believe.. What if we didnt hire a Lawyer and just signed the first thing put in front of us??

Fact is, your are going to get bent over by a Record Company..... its just how far, how long and if you let them decide to use vaseline or not..

HIGHENDONLY · 5th June 2007, 05:27 PM

Well here in America, anything is possible. The Terminator is a Govenor. So i say if your smart,talented,persistant and never give up, i think you can do anything and you can make money off your music and fame with out a major.

quietdrive · 5th June 2007, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nandoanalog

Dude.... I watched it.

The video clearly shows him bitching around about everything.. The video clearly shows that he is on of those emo kids who pass their lifes scratching their heads.

The video clearly shows that he can`t sing, compose, play, and that all he wants is a pop band so he can get money and chicks.

Dude... Shut up.

NOW you may have watched it.. but you know that before you made your original comment you clearly did NOT watch it. Either way its ridiculous and you know I am right, thats why you didnt have a comeback for my reply.

Gear Tramp · 5th June 2007, 05:48 PM

Ok guys, settle down now.

The Terminator is a governor, but Ronald Reagan was president.

gravityminor · 5th June 2007, 06:11 PM

i'm not into this music. but millions of kids, tweens and teens are. what can you do about it?

the desmond scene was too much though... sitting back there looking like gene simmons pre face-lift. that was kinda mean, and funny.

the smart artist/producer/engineer/human realizes that all of these people that are helping, or not, are just mile markers on a long highway. you can't let these things get to you. it's a huge waste of emotion.

Meriphew · 5th June 2007, 08:30 PM

I'm surprised that people are still making that punk-pop/blink 182 music.

emdub123 · 5th June 2007, 09:28 PM

I guess I must have watched a totally different video. The video I saw had a young kid living in a little fairy-tale world where people write magical songs in extended-stay motel rooms and experienced producers and record company people turn these songs into multi-platinum smash hits. Evan seems to be exactly the kid that Steve Albini writes about in his famous editorial. I didn't know that people still fell for this anymore. He should really listen to his mom and dad and go home and enroll at State U.

It didn't make me angry or outraged, just sad that this kid is probably going to be chewed up and spit out. That record company probably has dozens of them "in development" just hedging their bets to see which horse to put their money on. Everyone else gets sent home sad and disillusioned.

Oh, and yes, Desmond Child is obviously a pompous ass. If that's how he does every co-writing session, I doubt he'll ever come by another hit (honestly that is).

Ahellam · 5th June 2007, 09:35 PM

Sounds like he is going to get on some kind of Abercrombie "Sounds of Abercrombie" compilation at best.

Then again if he is recognized as "the guy who used to play guitar with avril" I could actually see him doing ok.

Kinda like Dave Grohl was "the guy who drummed for nirvana" but the difference is dave can actually write and sing pretty damn well.

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5th June 2007, 02:13 PM	#1
quietdrive Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 618	Why you dont sign with a major! Pay attention to when he wants to meet the President... about 2 minutes in. How disrespectful was THAT? YouTube - EVAN TAUBENFELD

5th June 2007, 02:31 PM	#3
Vinrockindie Gear maniac Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 158	I would say the little secretary didn't even bother to tell the guy that he had someone waiting. She was probably too wrapped up in her AIM conversation. I would've walked right in. __________________

5th June 2007, 02:38 PM	#4
FFTT Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: A stoned throw from ground zero Posts: 2,958	I turned a talented young friend of mine on to a local BIG publisher through someone else I knew. This artist already had a well done CD and of course owned all her material outright. While it's true that he could have helped her greatly through the people he knew, he also wanted 70% publishing and of course wanted her to re-record everything so he would own the masters. She's still a poor struggling artist, but she still has her self respect. __________________ Don't look at me in that tone of voice

5th June 2007, 02:43 PM	#5
dlmorley Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 3,094	Wow. Terrible music... __________________ New-ish CD "Ghosts" Ursa Major Studios

5th June 2007, 02:29 PM	#2
chetatkinsdiet Lives for gear Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,473	...yeah, that's not just a business thing either. I've had corporate day jobs forever and it's just f-ing rude...no, it would be non-existent, to make anyone wait for 5 hours for a scheduled meeting. It would take all of about 7 seconds to ask the call to wait a second, walk to the door, shake his hand and say I'm sorry, something came up, let's reschedule. Or, it would take about 3 seconds to email your secretary while you're on the call to tell him that you'll have to reschedule. What a prick. m

5th June 2007, 03:44 PM	#7
warhead Jai guru deva om Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: South Carolina Posts: 8,328	Pretty uninspired sounding stuff. "I have no desire to co-write whatsoever." Hmm..... War __________________ Warren Dent Email: warren (at) frontendaudio (dot) com Front End Audio Sells Gear Tuesday Testers: Hear the Gear Shootouts Product Videos on YouTube: Overviews of Gear

5th June 2007, 03:46 PM	#8
el cochino Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Austria Posts: 777	I wouldn't wanna talk to this asshole either.

5th June 2007, 03:50 PM	#9
PoorGlory Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,271	Yea, the music blows. This kid will probably go nowhere, but it's a shame because he apparently has worked hard and there's a bunch of people kissing his ass. What they won't tell him is that in 3 years this music will be as outdated as late 90's rap-metal. But yea, that president is a prick. I'm almost glad that no one is is buying their shitty CDs anymore. Ok, no I'm not, but he still deserves for his company to fail.

5th June 2007, 03:56 PM	#10
theblue1 Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 5,791	Just another cookie out of the big machine. I feel bad for the guy (not that that made me watch much past the secretary saying it was 6 pm)... here he does everything "right" and gives the honchos the kind of manicured, heavily processed "rock" that system thinks it thrives on and... ... that said... truly boring product... PS... I don't think we have to wait for this music to sound outdated... and now I'm back to some pretty timeless Louvin Brothers... __________________ biz \| profile \| songblog \| acoustic \| mutant roots pop \| instrumentals

5th June 2007, 04:36 PM	#13
theblue1 Lives for gear Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Long Beach, CA Posts: 5,791	Actually, I think you have to write about 15 minutes into the future. I don't think most execs would know tomorrow's music if it hit them in the face with a dead fish. __________________ biz \| profile \| songblog \| acoustic \| mutant roots pop \| instrumentals

5th June 2007, 04:38 PM	#15
BJohnston Gear maniac Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lower Midwest Posts: 252	Nothin like writin tunes with a guy while he's behind his desk...great vibe!!! Welcome to the big time kid...where "no inspiration" is the new "inspiration".

5th June 2007, 04:40 PM	#16
GravityRobert Gear addict Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 431	Yeah, pretty shitty music. Shitty voice, no wonder he doesnt want to talk with him __________________

5th June 2007, 05:00 PM	#19
Darkening Gear Head Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 53	"It's not Desmond, I just have no desire to co-write, whatsoever" This kid plays with Avril for 3 years, a couple groupies tell him he should go solo, and the whole experience went to his head. This kid's career is over before it began, and he only has himself to blame. If I was the president I would have had my secretary ** with him too. I wonder how long it will be until he regrets quitting Avril Incorporated? When Howard Benson or Desmond Child are working to help you write a pop song, and you're a little poppy teenboi, why the ** would would try to go against the grain? This guy not only played for Avril, he's suffering from the same "I'm not pop, I'm punk-rock" hallucinations she used to. At least now she acts like the pop-starlet she is and not a rock-goddess. WB is a shithole record label. Just ask Mr. Bungle.

5th June 2007, 05:01 PM	#20
brainmeat Gear Head Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Boston Posts: 45	I hate this shit. So ****ing cookie cutter, what's his biggest influence? Lifehouse? Perhaps that works synergistically with his STYLIST's biggest influence. Very important, you know? __________________ www.myspace.com/brainmeaty

5th June 2007, 05:06 PM	#21
DeathMonkey Lives for gear Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 648	I love how he tried to get the apartment Rick James died in. The session with Desmond was interesting, tho. " Hey, I've had a great life... you're that kinda guy, you're not a misfit" - I love it! __________________ Screaming Monkey Studio - Seattle, WA Clips, and songs in progress! www.MySpace.com/teebes www.MySpace.com/thissoilisdiseased

5th June 2007, 05:24 PM	#23
heyman Lives for gear Join Date: May 2005 Location: Waterbury CT, then Providence, RI Posts: 1,938	Man, you really have to have your guard up with Record companies. Go somewhere where they treat you with respect and you give it back. If they are kissing your ass or the other way around, you are not at the right place. Find the right relationship where you can thrive. My old band Signed a 3 album deal with a Indie label only after 5 months of negotiation with a Entertainment lawyer we hired.. If you are worth it to them, they will bend... We ended up owning half the publishing rites and 16% net on each album, I believe.. What if we didnt hire a Lawyer and just signed the first thing put in front of us?? Fact is, your are going to get bent over by a Record Company..... its just how far, how long and if you let them decide to use vaseline or not.. __________________ Teee hee ha ha .... I wanna play wit chew. Butter's Does Samwell! http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4y...-in-the-bu_fun

5th June 2007, 05:27 PM	#24
HIGHENDONLY Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Middlebury CT Posts: 825	Well here in America, anything is possible. The Terminator is a Govenor. So i say if your smart,talented,persistant and never give up, i think you can do anything and you can make money off your music and fame with out a major.

5th June 2007, 05:48 PM	#26
Gear Tramp Lives for gear Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 661	Ok guys, settle down now. The Terminator is a governor, but Ronald Reagan was president.

5th June 2007, 06:11 PM	#27
gravityminor Gear nut Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Santa Monica CA Posts: 139	i'm not into this music. but millions of kids, tweens and teens are. what can you do about it? the desmond scene was too much though... sitting back there looking like gene simmons pre face-lift. that was kinda mean, and funny. the smart artist/producer/engineer/human realizes that all of these people that are helping, or not, are just mile markers on a long highway. you can't let these things get to you. it's a huge waste of emotion. __________________ There is nothing worse than a sharp image of a fuzzy concept. Ansel Adams

5th June 2007, 08:30 PM	#28
Meriphew Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Seattle USA Posts: 2,242	I'm surprised that people are still making that punk-pop/blink 182 music. __________________ www.myspace.com/meriphew

5th June 2007, 09:28 PM	#29
emdub123 Gear nut Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Victoria, Texas USA Posts: 147	I guess I must have watched a totally different video. The video I saw had a young kid living in a little fairy-tale world where people write magical songs in extended-stay motel rooms and experienced producers and record company people turn these songs into multi-platinum smash hits. Evan seems to be exactly the kid that Steve Albini writes about in his famous editorial. I didn't know that people still fell for this anymore. He should really listen to his mom and dad and go home and enroll at State U. It didn't make me angry or outraged, just sad that this kid is probably going to be chewed up and spit out. That record company probably has dozens of them "in development" just hedging their bets to see which horse to put their money on. Everyone else gets sent home sad and disillusioned. Oh, and yes, Desmond Child is obviously a pompous ass. If that's how he does every co-writing session, I doubt he'll ever come by another hit (honestly that is).

5th June 2007, 09:35 PM	#30
Ahellam Gear addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 421	Sounds like he is going to get on some kind of Abercrombie "Sounds of Abercrombie" compilation at best. Then again if he is recognized as "the guy who used to play guitar with avril" I could actually see him doing ok. Kinda like Dave Grohl was "the guy who drummed for nirvana" but the difference is dave can actually write and sing pretty damn well. __________________ One good thing about music, when it hits you, you feel no pain.