Sick of Pro Tools LE limitations! HD is rediculou$.. What should I change to???

[Thebassist]

Usually I'm doing big sessions- well over 24 tracks, (session last year with 30 vocal tracks!) and grabbing for processor intensive plugs to emulate hardware, and even dipping into RTAS I hit the ceiling all the time. As posted above, we all have different needs, and certainly HD is perfectly viable for alot of people out there. Only a fool would argue that there aren't pros out there mixing ITB and making tons of great sounding albums. But there are also guys mixing OTB as well, regardless of platform, and making equally wonderful sounding albums. We all mix different albums, and we all have different needs and expectations, and many of us see those needs change dramatically from session to session. I just found that PT HD ITB didn't give me the power or flexibility I needed to deliver a consistent product. Of course, with a console and outboard I can do it all day long, but then, why do I need all the ITB power, when a real 1176 sounds soooo good? As always, YMMV. HD + outboard kicks ass, but for me, was just plain redundant.

Hope everybody is enjoying a beautiful Sunday. It finally thawed out in Chicago, and I for one can't wait to get rid of this winter's studio tan...

[taturana]

Originally Posted by redstudio

PRO TOOLS FOR LIFE BABY!!!

HAHAHA

arrrrrrgh!!!!

i´d do myself in... PT my entire life???... i dont think i would survive that...

i second the thought.. that is so 90´s! very outdated....

[JPZ]

>>Of course, with a console and outboard I can do it all day long<<

So then you have like 60 or 70 hardware 1176, LA2's, Pultecs, Fairchilds, insert your favorite vintage box that's emulated by software here, available in your room at all times? Man, that is some studio!

[Thebassist]

I'd love to see someone with more than one Fairchild. Or even a single plug that sounded that good!

160A>= 90 % of all comp plugs. Easier to use, too!

For that matter, I love my Waves Ren Comp, but end up grabbing even the cheap Pro Vla with NOS tubes for more and more comp duties...

As always.

YMMV.

[lowfreq33]

[quote=BradD;1253254]I understand, but the only other really Mac based program is DP, which doesn't really interest me. I love my G4 that I've run PT on for the last six years, but I can buy a Quad Core DAW PC from ADK with 2 gig of ram and four hard drives for around 3K. A similar Mac is much more expensive.

quote]

Actually, if you do a direct comparison, taking into account every spec of both machines, you'll find that the Mac costs a little less. # of cores ? RAM isn't the only thing that matters. Processor speed, bus speed, seek time on the hard drives, etc. Plus OSX is way more stable and faster than windows (yes, even vista), so that's an added bonus. Use what you want, but let's put an end to this "Macs are more expensive than PC's" myth. They just don't make a $300 computer for my mom who just wants to send pictures in her emails.

[taturana]

[quote=lowfreq33;1256295]

Originally Posted by BradD

I understand, but the only other really Mac based program is DP, which doesn't really interest me. I love my G4 that I've run PT on for the last six years, but I can buy a Quad Core DAW PC from ADK with 2 gig of ram and four hard drives for around 3K. A similar Mac is much more expensive.

quote]

Actually, if you do a direct comparison, taking into account every spec of both machines, you'll find that the Mac costs a little less. # of cores ? RAM isn't the only thing that matters. Processor speed, bus speed, seek time on the hard drives, etc. Plus OSX is way more stable and faster than windows (yes, even vista), so that's an added bonus. Use what you want, but let's put an end to this "Macs are more expensive than PC's" myth. They just don't make a $300 computer for my mom who just wants to send pictures in her emails.

it´s really not a myth... for the price i can buy a mac i can make two full blown PC computers... and xp is very stable when correctly setup and assembled with quality parts (no i am not talking about mom´s computer..)...

so in the end Pc´s are faster and cheaper... the drives are the same (so is seek time on the drives) and what kind of bus speed would you be talking about.. they both used the same duo core chips and ddr ram nowadays, and i would guess the bus speeds are the same too...

so i understand you like macs and i respect that but none of your arguments on this post are really valid... do some research... this could be true in the nineties (except for the price which was always higher) but today that simply does not make sense..

[Anderson]

Originally Posted by JPZ

>>Of course, with a console and outboard I can do it all day long<<

So then you have like 60 or 70 hardware 1176, LA2's, Pultecs, Fairchilds, insert your favorite vintage box that's emulated by software here, available in your room at all times? Man, that is some studio!

Most of LFACs have good EQ and Dynamics sections. So If you have 56chs, you already have 56 very good EQs and Gates, Comps, etc that sound already way better than plugins IMHO... Add to that a decent collection of a high-end boxes and you do have a killer setup.

And suddenly, your DAW becomes more a simple "tape" machine than anything else.

YMMV

[Thebassist]

Ah, the new revolution. DAW as tape machine. Ain't it funny how things come full circle? Now everyone wants tape emulation plugs and "vintage warmth..." How long til tape machines become in vogue again? Hoping I can bag a Studer for cheap before the craze hits...

[JPZ]

>>Most of LFACs have good EQ and Dynamics sections. So If you have 56chs, you already have 56 very good EQs and Gates, Comps, etc that sound already way better than plugins IMHO... Add to that a decent collection of a high-end boxes and you do have a killer setup.>>

So that's what all those extra knobs on my ssl are?

[Anderson]

Originally Posted by Thebassist

Ah, the new revolution. DAW as tape machine. Ain't it funny how things come full circle? Now everyone wants tape emulation plugs and "vintage warmth..." How long til tape machines become in vogue again? Hoping I can bag a Studer for cheap before the craze hits...

True... Keep one for me!


Wait... Errr...


Nah.


Keep 2!

Originally Posted by JPZ

So that's what all those extra knobs on my ssl are?

I'm curious, do you have a 4k, 6k, 9k? Duality? Pics! Pics! Pics!

[JPZ]

Sadly (or not) no 4k anymore. Still got a lot of parts all nicely boxed for clients who want that "ssl sound" ee. I did keep a lovely modded to the hilt quad 8 if your interested. Beautiful sound and only weighs about 2 .5 tons....here, let me sweep the dust off for you....

[Anderson]

Originally Posted by JPZ

Sadly (or not) no 4k anymore. Still got a lot of parts all nicely boxed for clients who want that "ssl sound" ee. I did keep a lovely modded to the hilt quad 8 if your interested. Beautiful sound and only weighs about 2 .5 tons....here, let me sweep the dust off for you....

Hmmmm... *cough* Ahem *cough*

[The Spark]

Originally Posted by Thebassist

Ah, the new revolution. DAW as tape machine.

Or even better, buy a RADAR.

[Tony Shepperd]

Or at a minimum, get yourself an HD1 and a Quad Mac.
With a 192 you could run at least 96 tracks at 24/96k.
Also with a Quad Mac, you could have the best of both worlds.
Lot's of RTAS power and Accel plugins on the core card.

[mixerguy]

Originally Posted by Tony Shepperd

Or at a minimum, get yourself an HD1 and a Quad Mac.
With a 192 you could run at least 96 tracks at 24/96k.
Also with a Quad Mac, you could have the best of both worlds.
Lot's of RTAS power and Accel plugins on the core card.

true.

and - perhaps this year we'll see new HD hardware from Digi...

[SUGARCULT666]

I think I'll give Nuendo or Cubase a shot and maybe one day if Digidesign become cool and make LE more flexible I might change back... Or maybe not... I think M-Powered was a pretty sad attempt... They could at least put the option of adding ADC in the music production toolkit that you pay $600 for (The price of cubase).

[nrup]

Are you looking for mixing and production? or are you just trying to mix ?
neuendo is the equal of protools Hd and some! It kicks protools ass at this point .I've been wroking with protools for 10year now,and switch like 4 years ago.The new neundo 4 is soooooooooooo hoooot ! it is the shiiitt! i ruun 32 channels of in/out every with no problem ! None .i mix with hd in VA in january .It was a nightmare.i kept having shut down after shut down.Hell i felt like i was on windows 98 with protools.it suck.An do not update the mac os with your hd system it will go crazy!
Neundo homie ! neundo!(Or logic)