Recorderman overheads technique: important question

[666666]

Originally Posted by midigod

The nudging of tracks will not solve the problem that the string method solves. The issue the string method addresses is the fact that the snare <i>and</i> kick arrive at the two mics at different times. If it were just one source in the two mics, like the snare, you could nudge one of the tracks. But you can't nudge to solve the snare at 1ms difference, and fix the kick at 2.4 ms at the same time.-Craig

Ahhhh... ok, got it. Makes good theoretical sense.

[Benmrx]

Originally Posted by jeronimo

what technique do you use with heavy shit?

Well, when doing heavy shit, it can be a bit of a gamble having that left hand OH mic so close to the swing of the drummers arm...........especially when he goes for a big fill or crash....plus IMHO this style of mic'ing doesn't work so well with huge drum kits (4 toms, lots o' cymbals, etc.)

On heavy shit it's usually much more "traditional", in the sense that all the shells are close mic'd. I also usually do M/S room mics with heavier/faster drums along with a spaced pair for OH

Then again....I really don't record a lot of "heavy shit"......that being said, I'm currently in the middle of a 6 song EP with a pretty damn aggressive band.

I've been using this method in small (low) rooms with a very nice kit sound, but I always end up with a lot of HiHat (vs cymbals)... anyone else noticing this, or am I doing something wrong ?

+1 on the drummer having to hit the hats lighter. IMHO the less mics you use on a drumset, the better the drummer needs to be.

[jeronimo]

Originally Posted by Benmrx

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+1 on the drummer having to hit the hats lighter. IMHO the less mics you use on a drumset, the better the drummer needs to be.

one more here...

[Matt Hepworth]

Originally Posted by Benmrx

This method quickly became my favorite for drums. As long as it's a fairly open song (I.E. not quad tracking metal guitars), and I don't need close mic'd toms.

I just used a very-similar-to-this technique on a very metal setup with quad tracked metal guitars - turned out great.

Did it on one Slipknot-esque group recently, too.

I did just over two drum sticks above the snare. I made sure they were both equidistant from the snare. Kicks were not perfect, but I roll out a lot of lows on the overheads typically on that kind of sound.

[hirocaster]

Does anyone have samples of a music recorded using this technique?

[DeadPoet]

MySpace.com - de WO - Antwerp - Pop / Rock / Thrash - www.myspace.com/wokemusic was recorded in a very small room (put 2 4-piece drumkits in it and it's full) and recorded with this technique.

I like it in small rooms.



Herwig

[Greg Curtis]

That Recorderman video cracks me up. Such careful measurements, and then having one of the mics swinging 2" on every kick hit. Ironic...

[hirocaster]

Originally Posted by DeadPoet

MySpace.com - de WO - Antwerp - Pop / Rock / Thrash - www.myspace.com/wokemusic was recorded in a very small room (put 2 4-piece drumkits in it and it's full) and recorded with this technique.

I like it in small rooms.



Herwig

Nice

What drumkit are you using, and what microphones and preamp?

[DeadPoet]

Drum was a Gretsch Renown, don't know brand of cymbals but they were large ones, Sonor massive brass snare (26kg!)

OH KM184 in lineaudio.se preamps
Kick in: the shure beta egg in manley tube pre
Kick out: SM7 in lineaudio.se
snare top/bott C414 in millenia STT-1 and other halve of manley tube pre
toms: errrm... those shure clip-ons in lineaudio pre
room/thrash mics: thomann ribbon and AKG solidtube in lineaudio.se
hats: brauner (don't know model, the cheapest cardioid one) in lineaudio pre


recorded on a 1" tascam 16track and dumped in cubase using motu converters.
Mixed itb with cubase and only the millenia and a transient designer for outboard.


Herwig

[hirocaster]

I see... i want to hear songs with only mr. recorderman technique, i mean...only two OH...

"Record drums with 2 mics - get the whole image"

Thanks!

Originally Posted by DeadPoet

Drum was a Gretsch Renown, don't know brand of cymbals but they were large ones, Sonor massive brass snare (26kg!)

OH KM184 in lineaudio.se preamps
Kick in: the shure beta egg in manley tube pre
Kick out: SM7 in lineaudio.se
snare top/bott C414 in millenia STT-1 and other halve of manley tube pre
toms: errrm... those shure clip-ons in lineaudio pre
room/thrash mics: thomann ribbon and AKG solidtube in lineaudio.se
hats: brauner (don't know model, the cheapest cardioid one) in lineaudio pre


recorded on a 1" tascam 16track and dumped in cubase using motu converters.
Mixed itb with cubase and only the millenia and a transient designer for outboard.


Herwig