Peluso Mics: All 6 Models Compared

[soundawg]

Hey War - I just listened to the clips, happy to say that the mics I have had modded with Peluso capsules and other tidbits seem to demonstrate the same 'characters' as your clips - COOL!

I'll admit it - sometimes on Gearslut shootouts I have a hard time hearing the difs - but not here.

So it seems to me your clips do infact show the differences in an discernable way that is helpful.

Soundawg

[rolo]

Originally Posted by kittonian

Warren,

My apologies. I am not looking for a pissing match either. When you said
"(what is that telling me about ONE microphone?)" it sure seemed as if you were saying to the world, AudioLot's clips are completely worthless, why even bother listening to them. That's why I took offense and responded as I did.

Let's move on. Everyone enjoy the clips posted by everyone out there (dealers, owners, etc.) and make your own decisions based on what you feel is best for your studio.



I do get sensitive over things like this because I spend time every single day explaining to people that just because the cost is a lot lower than some of the other manufacturers out there, the Peluso's outperform the competition 9 times out of 10. These are not two minute discussions, so I make sure that the best representation of the products is presented at every step.

My 2 cents... Thanks to warhead for posting his results... EVEN if he was not wearing a friggin lab coat while he ran the tests. as for Kittonian... I have always found your posts to be a bit harsh... AND biased... I mean your answer to a mic and pre are Peluso and DBX.... I've seen you repeat the same post on several posts here. Could it be that it just what you sell. Even Fletcher is MOSTLY un-biased when talking about gear. Even if you have been selling Peluso longer... based on your posts... I'd buy the mics from someone else.
Again... The reason I am giving my OPINION is that I am thankful that ANYONE here can post sound files of anything to help give a bit of insight to ANY interested parties.

[Guitfiddle]

I have a few Peluso's. I did an acoustic track using the 251/ R14 comb with a Neve Portico 5012 with stellar results!!! Love the Peluso's. I have been using my Josephson's on the drums and I find it hard to try anything else on my drum kit, however one of these days I will try to use the Peluso's when I have some time...

[forsooth]

Giutfiddle, I use the matched pair of Peluso CEMC6s as drum overheads with the Recorderman technique. The single biggest improvement in all of the live recording gigs I do! They capture everything and just make all recordings done before them sound like $h**.

I think I need another pair! Also used them with omni caps for room mics.

Love these mics!

forsooth

[zakco]

Originally Posted by kittonian

Wow Warren. My post in response to this thread was specifically "not to come after you", but instead, clarify to the public that these mics don't really sound as poor as you presented them. You responded and felt the need to come right after me. Nice way to do business considering you are brand new to the Peluso line and I've been carrying it since before any big dealers were signed (heck, I had a big part in helping John gain the massive awareness of these mics, and why they are known to so many people these days). I've had years of experience with these mics, have a great relationship with John, and here's you with like 0 experience with this line presenting it to the world as if you have a clue.

There are plenty of other Peluso dealers these days. I'm so glad they are there to spread the word, so that those who aren't yet familiar with the line (but may happen to already be customers and feel comfortable with that dealer) can realize that they too can own a fantastic microphone with amazing customer support if they ever need it, and not break the bank.

This is the model that John set out with and I fully supported over the years (and still do on a daily basis). Sure I wish everyone would buy from AudioLot, but I can't be everything to everyone. To me, it's about presenting the real story and standing behind the products you choose to carry, not because it's the "cool thing that'll sell better, and after you pickup the line you better learn something about it", but because you know and love the products and truly believe in the line/company/philosophy/etc.

More power to any of the people on this board who buy from you. I'm sure you're a nice guy and good salesman, but stepping on others to make yourself look better is not the way I choose to do business.

I don't know Warren at all but I would never buy anything from you.

[warhead]

Month old bump of a touchy thread.

Before anybody asks, Peluso was not able to be scheduled into the Jam Room Sessions in May. John Peluso and I have discussed this, and at a later date it will be done. Please don't PM me asking though, I will announce when it's done. Not enough notice to get it done, and we were covered up with the mics we just got through.

And for what it's worth, I hold no ill will towards Joshua personally.

War

[beechstudio]

War..............you ROCK!

[lord_bunny]

Acoustic guitar is the instrument i've got the best handle on as a player and I've got a big mental catalouge of sounds. To me, listening to these examples, I could hear the difference between the mics and didn't really focus on the playing or the guitar. We all know what a cheap acoustic sounds like, but I think many of us can also imagine what that mic would bring to a nicer instrument.

I liked the P12 and the 47LE by far. The SDC's were a little thinner, brought out more of the room and somehow made the cheap guitar sound cheaper.

Thanks for posting these. I did some tracking on my Taylor 855 last night with the Peluso, and I'm really happy with it. It's certainlly got enough air to make every other mic in my locker sound muffled. I was thinking of getting something else (like a KM 184 or a Peluso SDC) but I think i'd stick to the P12.

[Faderix]

I just found this post and must thank warhead for posting this. I have been very curious about differences between Pelusos and for me this post was very useful. I have cemc6 and owned 414 and emidiatelly recogniced their sound. Doing this through a transparent preamp like Earthworks is for me obvious. I want to hear how the mikes sound, not the preamp.
When listening It was ok to not get some nice musical adventure. For example, I didn't like the cymbals at all cause it sounded very metalic and hard but I think it was good to hear how the microphones could handle these frequences.

One thing I'm thinking of is if the drummer and guitarplayer played the same thing everytime a new microphone was placed? It's very hard to play with exact the same dynamics, volume and attack on some instruments, especially drums. The stick would probably differ couple of centimeters around the cymbal and could show some difference. On the other hand it's probably even harder to have 7 microphones on the same spot.

It seams I'm the only one here that liked the P28 most. To me it sounded most balanced and natural. I just decided to buy two of these thank's to this post. For me, this was very useful.

[Rickard]

Thanks for doing the test Warren. I think it does illustrate the differences between the mics quite clearly and that is all these test are about, right?

The 22 251 was the stand-out to my ears. The best on drums and second on guitar.

The km 84 was also very good. 2nd on drums and tied for 2nd on guitar.

The 414 had its characteristically smooth response but a dull top end (that I found takes EQ well) and was very usefull in this test to provide a reference.

The cem6 was my favorite on guitar but I could see it being too bright on a brighter guitar which would make the 251 or the km84 sound better. I think it was too sizzly and out of balance on the drums track to be a consideration though.

The p12 was also a contender. It seemed a little heavy on the bottom compared to the 251. It was my third choice on guitar and drums.

The 2247le sounded OK on both tracks but the midrange seemed a little out of balance.

the p28 sounded terrible on both tracks. Irritating high end.

The R14 sounded like a ribbon. Beautiful big bottom, dull top end. Maybe useable with EQ (maybe even great. I didn't try it).

Dean

[Texum]

Warren, although this is an old thread by now, I'd like to say I enjoyed your comparisons. The differences between the various mics could be heard very clearly, I think.

But, did you ever make another round of comparisons? Been looking to get a "U47-ish" mic, for getting a very full, warm, detailed mids, you know, just what I equate with a vintage sound, for mono overhead and acoustic guitar, (also vox and guitar cab) partly as an alternative to using SDCs on overheads/guitar, for imparting a different "vibe" to tracks.

But the 2247LE in your shootout kind of surprised me, with more highs, than expected, although not the more airy highs of the km-84, but more harsh, I think. It didn't really exhibit the warmth and detail in the low end I feel I've heard from clips from other U47s - clones and originals. Actually, I felt it sounded strangely scooped, and also "uninspiring", although that's not really a very "scientific" description.

Actually I prefered the 414 (esp in the lows/low-mids) and 22-251 for overheads, and clearly the km-84 for acoustic.

Does that really mean I should forget about adding a U47ish mic for these applications, or is it just the 2247 that doesn't quite "get there"?

[warhead]

Peluso's 2247 isn't as dark as other 47 clones. I would look elsewhere if you want that darker sound. His is much more natural up top, John's philosophy on it is that he wants his 47 clone to sound like what a new U47 would have sounded like rather than decades old U47's which may have gotten mucky with age.

I like the 2247, and think it is a great mic.

I don't have any further tests to share at this time. We were not able to get them in on the Jam Room Sessions as stated earlier in this thread as we just never were able to work it out with Peluso in time.

Old bump of a sensitive sort of thread...

War

[Jorg]

I can't find the vocal clips. Can anyone point them out to me lease?

[danbronson]

I'll have to check these clips out when I get home. I just listened on cheap headphones at work and wasn't that impressed. That said, an honest mic should make B8 cymbals sound terrible right?

As for the supposed pissing match, which I assume is done by page 3...the only even remotely hostile comment Warren made was the "what's that telling me about one mic" thing. And frankly, I completely agree. The Audiolot clip can not possibly be an accurate representation of what the mics really sounds like in a controlled test. So to compare Warren's clips to that and then say that he's not representing the mics well? Ha! Good one!

Anyway, can't wait to get home and give a closer listen...

[danbronson]

Haha, just saw how old this is...

[warhead]

Originally Posted by Jorg

I can't find the vocal clips. Can anyone point them out to me lease?

We didn't make any worth sharing, I'll put it that way.

Originally Posted by danbronson

Haha, just saw how old this is...

Yes it is.

War

[Jorg]

Originally Posted by danbronson

Haha, just saw how old this is...

Its a "MILF" Thread! Old but good!


Shame that there are no vocal clips. Anyway, I liked the 2251 overall the best.

[danbronson]

So I'm home now and I have had a chance to listen to these clips on my A7s. Here are my thoughts:

The sources do not sound good, so none of the clips have any chance of sounding good.

That's all. Perhaps I'm wrong, but that's what it seems like to me.

[Rocket_Ronny]

Joshua:

I like the sound of the mics on your soundbite for the Peluso's. Recording in stereo makes a difference, plus they sound like they are miked closer.

Was wondering though, where is the hiss coming from in the sound bite? Is it the mics, pre, or both? Personally too much for me. If from the mics, it would be a deal breaker for me.

I think what you need, I may have missed it, is sound samples of the mics on the same source to help people decide on which mike.

Thanks,

Rocket_Ronny

[elambo]

I agree that mic comparisons should be recorded with consistency at the source, but can't the source be better? It would help many people have stronger (and deserved) faith in Peluso mics. As these clips are now, I'm not very impressed. I have a couple of Pelusos and have used others and they've always sounded substantially better than these clips on acoustic guitar (didn't listen to the drum clips). A 2247LE on the average Martin D28, with a little more time spent tweaking the mic placement, would stomp on this 2247 clip. And I can't understand why getting the most from a microphone would NOT be an advantage for a dealer...

Let me send you my Borges guitar, a John Hardy pre, and a note about the best mic placement for this guitar, and you can send me a commission for all the Pelusos they'll help you sell. Or just send me the mics

[kittonian]

Originally Posted by Rocket_Ronny

Joshua:

I like the sound of the mics on your soundbite for the Peluso's. Recording in stereo makes a difference, plus they sound like they are miked closer.

Was wondering though, where is the hiss coming from in the sound bite? Is it the mics, pre, or both? Personally too much for me. If from the mics, it would be a deal breaker for me.

I think what you need, I may have missed it, is sound samples of the mics on the same source to help people decide on which mike.

Thanks,

Rocket_Ronny

Are you asking about the WAV file posted on our website? If so, that was done in 30 minutes (start to finish) in an open room with no EQ, Compression, etc. If you hear any "hiss" it's probably the room itself. We didn't go crazy trying to record something amazing. The idea was a quick and dirty 30 minutes to record an acoustic guitar and a vocal, from conception to mixdown. Not everyone has some amazing room and we wanted to show a real life quick recording.

[Rocket_Ronny]

Joshua:

Thanks for the reply. Yes, that is what I was talking about. So the Peluso's noise floor is low then? How low, comparable to a AKG 414 perhaps?

Do you remember your mic positioning on the guitar? My guess would be about 12" to 16" away, space about 4" apart?

Rocket_Ronny

[bigbone]

Originally Posted by lpkyer

Thanks...I saw them for the first time there. But I HATE Steve's music.

Can i ask why..... i got god service there...Georges and Alex in the recording are serious about and know about the gear, i got only good thing to said.

[kittonian]

Originally Posted by Rocket_Ronny

Joshua:

Thanks for the reply. Yes, that is what I was talking about. So the Peluso's noise floor is low then? How low, comparable to a AKG 414 perhaps?

Do you remember your mic positioning on the guitar? My guess would be about 12" to 16" away, space about 4" apart?

Rocket_Ronny

The 47SE was about 4" off the sound hole of the Taylor 914CE and the CEMC6 was up by the tuning pegs off axis, pointed at the pegs.

The 47SE's noise floor is quite low. Not too long ago I received an e-mail from a very well known engineer who had it up against two other vintage U47's and he said he had to check and see if it was on the noise floor was so much lower than the originals.