Stereo widening effect
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5th April 2007
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Stereo widening effect

Hi - i was told that one way of making a track sound wide was add a delay to the track and pan the orginal track hard one way and then the delay the other way..is this correct or am i confused..?

This is how i tried to do it in Logic..

I just recorded some guitars for an R&B track..what i did was..

Pan the origian trackl hard left
Then put a send on this channel to Bus 1
Set the output of Bus 1 to output 3 (nothing hooked up here therefore the original signal dissapears and it just leaves the delay)
Set the input of Aux 1 as Bus 1
Then panned the the delay hard right.

I did it this way because on the plug you couldnt pan the delay.

Am i doing this right or am i totally wrong?

Many thanks if ya can help!
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Hi,
first of all you don't need to set the bus to output 3...just select no output.
But an easier way is to leave the bus going to your master output. Then, instead of bringing the delay into an aux, just pan the bus by inserting the logic direction helper after the delay, which you will find in the logic/helper submenu.
Hope that helps.
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The idea is to "offset" the same duplicate tracks, NOT to add delay as an effect.
Try this.
Make an exact clone of your guitar track, so that you have 2 identical tracks.
Now, pan one of them hard left, and the other hard right.
Now, slightly offset 1 of those tracks to the other one....play around with offset time, the further apart they are from one another, the wider your stereo spread will be.
If you go too far apart, the delay will be more noticable.
If you go too close, you may have some phase problems.
Keep checking what you are doing in mono as a reference, and have fun with it.
Good luck Brotha!
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Cool - thanks for the help guys - i see i was getting a little confused..so what is the technique i was originally trying called just out of curiosity?

Thanks!
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Cool - thanks for the help guys - i see i was getting a little confused..so what is the technique i was originally trying called just out of curiosity?

Thanks!

at the studio where i record a lot(my drummer friend works there and we track things in off time) we call it the nudge.

ME: why don't you give that one the nudge?
HIM: why don't you just play it right again?

of course thats just him being a smart ass whenever i get lazy and try to get him to use that technique instead of doubling a track.
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at the studio where i record a lot(my drummer friend works there and we track things in off time) we call it the nudge.

ME: why don't you give that one the nudge?
HIM: why don't you just play it right again?

of course thats just him being a smart ass whenever i get lazy and try to get him to use that technique instead of doubling a track.
Give it "The Nudge" sounds cool.
I haven't used "The Spread" technique in many years....probably due to overusing it when I first learned of it.
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Give it "The Nudge" sounds cool.
I haven't used "The Spread" technique in many years....probably due to overusing it when I first learned of it.

to clarify. my friend says that when he was at full sail they called it that because if you were working in grid mode you would have to switch to slip and then just barely move the cloned regions. of course you could type in how much you wanted to offset it but it's more fun, and more random, to try to bump it with the mouse and see what you come up with.
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Stereo widening Fx

There´s the old "Surround sound" button on old blasters remember them?

Put a little bit of the left signal phase reversed in the right channel and vise verse

The sound goes "out beyond" the speakers until it all collapse.

I´ve been thinking to try a little on something like pads or background vocals, becasue i don´t think it would work on a whole mix, but who knows.



/Toby
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Sweet thanks for the help ..... do engineers ver do the first technique i was trying where you would have a totally dry signal panned hard onew way and just the delay panned opposite>?
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