Routing in Sonar 6

[opium89]

I need some tips on routing and submixes with Sonar 6. Parallel compression for example....How do I route the drum tracks to two seperate submixs for the original and compressed versions that get sent to the master?

[lord_bunny]

set up 2 buses, one called drums and one called drums comp... both their outputs are set to main or master... create a send on drums to drums comp. insert compressor.

[opium89]

Ya ya ya. Simple. Thanks LB.

[JohnPaulJones]

This may be overkill, but the was I understand it is you need to actually need three buses to avoid intoducing an offset due to the added processing time of the compressor plug.

The first bus is the main bus for all drums and is muted. Set to send to bus 2 and 3.
Second bus is compression bus with compressor in bypass mode (this is to give drums same offset without adding the compression)
Third bus is compression to taste.

Someone let me know if I'm just wasting overhead doing it this way, but when I ran tests in my studio I actually could tell a difference.

-- John Paul

[JSVice]

When you were just using two busses, were you sure to use a pre-fader, and not post-fader, send on the original drum bus?

[Sid Viscous]

Originally Posted by JohnPaulJones

This may be overkill, but the was I understand it is you need to actually need three buses to avoid intoducing an offset due to the added processing time of the compressor plug.

The first bus is the main bus for all drums and is muted. Set to send to bus 2 and 3.
Second bus is compression bus with compressor in bypass mode (this is to give drums same offset without adding the compression)
Third bus is compression to taste.

Someone let me know if I'm just wasting overhead doing it this way, but when I ran tests in my studio I actually could tell a difference.

-- John Paul

Sonar 6 compensates for the plug latency. If you enable a bus while playing it has the latency. Once stopped it will fix it.

[JohnPaulJones]

Originally Posted by Sid Viscous

Sonar 6 compensates for the plug latency. If you enable a bus while playing it has the latency. Once stopped it will fix it.

Does this mean channels in a bus chain inherrit plug latencies?

In other words, if I send channel 1 to channel 2, and channel 2 has a compressor plug, would sonar 6 then slightly delay channel 1 to compensate? How does sonar know how much to compensate?

[Sid Viscous]

Originally Posted by JohnPaulJones

Does this mean channels in a bus chain inherrit plug latencies?

In other words, if I send channel 1 to channel 2, and channel 2 has a compressor plug, would sonar 6 then slightly delay channel 1 to compensate? How does sonar know how much to compensate?

I don't do software development, I just know it compensates.

[khameln]

Yes, Sonar has latency compensation... You only need two busses.

[glitch]

SONAR has excellent plug-in delay compensation indeed. The advice posted above is just what I'd do.

[emfrank72]

Originally Posted by JohnPaulJones

Does this mean channels in a bus chain inherrit plug latencies?

In other words, if I send channel 1 to channel 2, and channel 2 has a compressor plug, would sonar 6 then slightly delay channel 1 to compensate? How does sonar know how much to compensate?

Good question. I will have to do some listening tests to check this out. To further muddle things, what if you are also sending the drums to a third Aux for reverb or some other processing? It would be interesting to know how Sonar actually does its plugin compensation and how it works with different configurations.