Drumagog or Sound Replacer???

[sethbrand_12]

Hey guys,

I am a college student studying audio production who does some recording on the side for extra cash. Most of my recordings I have to go to the bands practice spot or something, therefore don't get the best sounds, especially drums. I need to get a good drum sample/replacer software and the two I have been debating between for awhile now is drumagog and soundreplacer. I am running pro tools m-powered on a macbook 2 GB of Ram. Which software do you guys like better and which one is more versitle. If I buy the soundreplacer, I would get the music production tool kit from digi design and get the multi track beat detective with it, so that is a big plus....what are your opinions???

seth

[imacgreg]

Don't waste your time or money on Soundreplacer... Do it by hand. After some practice, you will get accurate and fast. Maybe Drumagog is better, but after plenty of Soundreplacer experience, my method is just to get down to it and do it manually. With some coordinated keystrokes and programmed mouse buttons, I can fly through songs. And every hit is perfect.

Works for me and more importantly, works for my clients. Watch out for carpel tunnel though.

Ian

[RoundBadge]

Drumagog.Periodthumbsup

[delcosmos]

Apulsoft Ap Trigga, period.
http://apulsoft.ch/aptrigga/index.php

[lionheart]

+1 for Aptrigga!!

Good price, and very accurate!!

[adrianex]

Another vote to Drumagog here.

I've used Sound Replacer pretty much since it got out, but since we got Drumagog a couple of month ago...there is just no real competitions there for me....DRUMAGOG all the way...

Never tried the Apulsoft Ap Trigga thou...

[gm5k]

Originally Posted by delcosmos

Apulsoft Ap Trigga, period.
http://apulsoft.ch/aptrigga/index.php

are there important things that drumagog can do that this one cant? big price difference, very interesting...

[Studiocat]

Sound replacer is old and outdated. I can see digidesign releasing a new version soon. They're losing tons of business to Drumagog, and for good reason. Drumagog is far superior.

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[joelgtrnut]

+1 drumagog

[Deadmeat]

Another thumbsup for Drumagog

[Ollie]

Great tool when you need it. Check out the Steven Slate samples for Drumagog, quite nice.

[delcosmos]

Originally Posted by gm5k

are there important things that drumagog can do that this one cant? big price difference, very interesting...

I have both, but I started with Ap trigga 3 years ago, recently after all this Steven Slate Drum CD's thing, I thought that it was a good idea to get drummagog, and after instalation my DP crashed all the time, I found that it installs VST and AU versions, and maybe drummagog doesn't like vst wrapper because if I take out the vst wrapper plug in from my Motu Audio System folder it stops crashing, I'm sure it should work great on protools, but I DON"T use protools.

Then I started playing with it, and I was dissapointed with the fact that you can't preview samples before you load them on drumagog, also (the way you can do with Reason or Stylus RMX), I find more friendly Ap Trigga's user interface.

Maybe I should give a second try to Drumagog but for the moment Ap Trigga works great for me.

Best regards.

[dude24man]

drumagog - stupid easy!!!! Arthur

www.dmsstudio.com

[Simpleton]

I agree that Drumagog is far superior to Sound Replacer, however if you are using PT M-Powered, for the $400 you would spend on the Platinum version of Drumagog, you could get, as you said, not only Sound Replacer but increased track count for PT, as well as a plethora of other nice goodies with the Music Production upgrade.

I guess it mostly depends on what you need to use beat replacement for. Is it just simply replacing crappy drum tracks? Sound Replacer works great for that.

Do you want live sound replacement, MIDI output for external hardware triggering, and are you one of those professional producer types who need 50 sample levels of velocity triggered from the already cleanly and pristinely recorded drum tracks that will be needed to translate well to this type of nuance calculation? Then yes, get Drumagog.

I assume from your post you are not all that involved with these types of high detail productions and just need simple sound replacement. IMO the answer is obvious, get the MP Toolkit!

However, for 50 bucks, I am extremely curious about this ApTrigga2! Thanks for the tip on this one guys, I have not heard about this yet and look forward to DLing the demo and trying it out.

[delcosmos]

Originally Posted by dude24man

drumagog - stupid easy!!!! Arthur

www.dmsstudio.com

I think I'm an stupid, but I can't make Drummagog work well trigering midi modules, in my system it confuse all my midi outputs, I mean, if I want to trigger a kick from my JV5080, drumagog sends wrong data to other module but the XV5080!!, so THANK YOU VERY MUCH, if it's not broken I don't fix it, I got back my trusty Ap trigga.

Peace.

[dude24man]

dude I feel your pain, I trigger directly from wave form most of the time, so for me its easy for kick drum and most snare stuff. that is most of the time. Arthur

www.dmsstudio.com

[BEN6732]

Having used both, I would say that they both have their strengths and weaknesses. Soundreplacer is fast, as it supports Audio Suite. Both support multiple velocities, but only Drumagog offers the more realistic "random" samples.
Soundreplacer works great for "simple" replacement when only 1 drum hit is needed for replacement. A kick drum would be a great example, where every drum hit would sound exactly the same. However, snare and tom replacement usually sound best when used with alternating samples for left and right hand hits to prevent the "machine-gun" effect. Drumagog will randomly alternate between samples to offer a much more realistic replaced sound. Drumagog is a full-featured program that is on the cutting-edge of drum replacement, where Soundreplacer is the old standby. The only downfall that I can see when using Drumagog, (and please correct me if I'm incorrect) is that there is no easy way to make sure the newly replaced drum hit is in phase with the old drum hit. Obviously this would only be a problem when replacing less than 100% of the drums and were blending the old drums with it. The work around would be to print the replaced drums on a new track below the old drums and manually adjust for phase.

[deathman]

I have drumagog... but it's sux in one way that you can't automate anything (or i don't know how to?!?!)... in the other way it's good! thumbsup

[Simpleton]

Originally Posted by BEN6732

The only downfall that I can see when using Drumagog, (and please correct me if I'm incorrect) is that there is no easy way to make sure the newly replaced drum hit is in phase with the old drum hit. Obviously this would only be a problem when replacing less than 100% of the drums and were blending the old drums with it. The work around would be to print the replaced drums on a new track below the old drums and manually adjust for phase.

I believe there is only about a 4 ms delay, but if your new sound is different from the old one, phase isn't really an issue. Just feed it inverted samples if it is.

[pw8888]

Drumagog !

[nerogtr]

it depends what you want to do. for thickening up the drum sound you already have, sound replacer or aptrigga (cheaper and better, even if you have to buy a wrapper for pro tools which is what i do) will work fine. however, if you are REALLY unhappy with your drums sounds and want to completely replace them and retain decently natural dynamics, i would go with drumagog. i personally get the best drum sound i can and then compliment the sound with samples using aptrigga (i replace the kick 100% for metal/hardcore stuff though).

[Chris Doremus]

Please do it manually. Unless of course you are like really really slow and time is very expensive. Sorry to not answer your question........................but uhh Drumagog!

[Bang]

I find that most people that complain about drumagog haven't used it in its newest versions. 4.10 is VERY tight and accurate. The stuff on my site was done with Drumagog and sounds pretty darn tight to me.

[doug_hti]

After using SR for years, I haven't touched it once since I got drumagog last year.

In terms of latency, at least on PTHD, I believe I run fixed latency and delay compensation and everything is pretty spot on. I still check to see if a phase flip is beneficial.

Originally Posted by Simpleton

I believe there is only about a 4 ms delay, but if your new sound is different from the old one, phase isn't really an issue. Just feed it inverted samples if it is.

[doug_hti]

Originally Posted by nerogtr

i i personally get the best drum sound i can and then compliment the sound with samples using aptrigga (i replace the kick 100% for metal/hardcore stuff though).

that's all I ever do with drumagog. I always use the original snare(s) in some way shape or form.
For augmentation, I just duplicate the snare and kick tracks and run drumagog on the duplicate tracks at 100% and blend to taste.

[Forkleg]

i have drumagog but have found that nothing works better than doing it the good old fashion way by hand...

drumagog is pretty cool tho...its better if you sample the snare that the band's drummer has or something...then make a gog file and use more cohesive samples

[nerogtr]

Originally Posted by J Wubz

i have drumagog but have found that nothing works better than doing it the good old fashion way by hand...

drumagog is pretty cool tho...its better if you sample the snare that the band's drummer has or something...then make a gog file and use more cohesive samples

i've done it by hand, but using APTrigga just saves me TONS of time. i always record the triggered sound to a new track and phase/time align it with the original track. then i just go through and fix any mis-triggers (if any). then i blend the two tracks to taste. its cool to know how to do it by hand, but APtrigga is a huge time saver. i dont ever just throw it on a track to "set it and forget it". i use it almost like an an automated version of what i would normally do manually.

[Kingtone]

I have been a long time user of Soundreplacer... you have to do it very carefully to make sure phase isnt screwed up... toms especially...
but ive just gotten drumagog... so i have a soundreplacer going cheap if ya wanna purchase! lol.... kinda serious....

[AMIEL]

anybody using Apulsoft Ap Trigga with Protools HD?

[Yetti]

I am considering trying out sound replacer...I have it, just never used it or any replacer before.
I have a project coming up for a punk band, and I may want to sweeten the kick and snare, or at least experiment with samples to blend in.
All drums will have a close mic, and overheads and a room mic
I have EZ drummer, and I like the kick and snare sounds.
For a blend in of those samples with the original track, would it be "best" to just create new track and manually allign recorded sample sounds?
Or how do you "load" the 3 levels of sample sounds into sound replacer?

Thanks!