Metal drum samples question

[Blacktoothgrin]

Does anyone know of a good sampler/module for the modern fake drum sounds? Quo Vadis, As I Lay Dying, Arch Enemy, Dimmu Borgir, etc. Drumkit from Hell Superior is a good sounding real sampler, but no matter what I do it doesn't get the results of those blatantly fake drums. I have an Alesis DM5 and there are some useful kick sounds, but the snares are very bad, and then toms/cymbals are a joke. I know some drummers trigger the entire kit and use samples off of that one ddrum brain. Mostly anything Andy Sneap has mixed recently has had that fake drum sound that I dig, does anyone know the right direction for those samples?

[everybody's x]

http://andysneap.com/media/drum%20samples/

http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/a...links-faq.html

[chrisso]

This is probably what you are after:
http://www.stevenslatedrums.com/

Look around Gearslutz. There is lot's of discussion about Steven's sounds and methods. Demos too.
Regarding DFHS, I guess you might get better fake results if you turn off all the humanizing and randomizing features and just trigger the full velocity samples (127).
Have you enquired on the Toontrack forum? There are lot's of keen metalheads over there:
www.toontrack.com/forum

Other products that might help:
http://www.toontrack.com/ezdrummer.asp
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https://www.platinumsamples.com/AndyJohns.html
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[WidgetNinja]

Originally Posted by Blacktoothgrin

does anyone know the right direction for those samples?

I'm gonna go against the grain here. The place to start is your ears.

Repeat after me metalheads, Samples are a sample of something (usually). There was actually someone that recorded real drums through real mics, using real EQ and compressors at some point. Most of this has to do with the drums, not the mic, not the pre, not the drummer. The EQ and compression is easy after that.

You can make those sounds from an unprocessed library, even that goofy kick in DFH2/S.

I'm not against samples for effect, but they've become the digital piano (before giga-libraries... hey, why buy a grand piano when we can have a Casio?). You should not be using them because your drums sound bad and you can't get them to sound right. You can use them to make things sound fake, stupidly even, or whatever, but you need to learn how those sounds were created in the first place.

I'm so frustrated by this habit that I'm going to make a Youtube video... and it's going to funny. The first trick I'm going to expose is that is key to good metal drum sounds is to hand the drummer a beer and get him away from the kit. The mics will be all 57's except for overheads... yes, even on kick. A properly set up kick sounds bad assed and ready to go through anything.

[George Necola]

I would love to hear it :D

meanwhile I go with www.stevenslatedrums.com samples...