CD Text and CDDB

[Dopamine]

I just got a message from a client: "The mix sounds amazing, but when i put the CD in my computer the wrong name comes up, can you fix this?"

I'm sure this must happen all the time. How are you guys dealing with this and what do you tell the client?

[Dopamine]

Seriously, this must happen a lot. Do you just tell clients that iTunes reads data from the CDDB which is based on track length.

Is there an easy way to override this or any other workarounds? I'm sure people don't like seeing the name of some random artist coming up on their music.

[thenewyear]

Use a program that talks to the CDDB (iTunes is the most widely spread probably) & submit the correct info to the database.

I think CDDB works on ISRCs initially & then on track lengths if that doesn't work, but if the CD contains ISRCs then all you have to do is submit the right info & it should be picked up.

[Dopamine]

<< Use a program that talks to the CDDB (iTunes is the most widely spread probably) & submit the correct info to the database. >>

Have you ever submitted info to itunes? Just wondering if there a easy way besides using CD Baby.

Anyone else done this? Many of my client recordings are just demos, but I would still like to see the proper names displayed.

[thenewyear]

You just pop the CD into iTunes & click 'Submit album info' from the Advanced menu.

I think flooding the CDDB with info on demos is not really what it is meant for though.

In fact unless the CD has ISRCs embedded in it the option might be greyed out in iTunes. Of course you could give every track on a demo an ISRC but again its not really what the technology was designed for.

[The Byre]

Just enter the CD text in your burn software inc. the ISRC code.

[Dopamine]

Originally Posted by The Byre

Just enter the CD text in your burn software.

Wrong! "CD Text" has nothing to do with CDDB info. Let's try to keep this clear.


<< You just pop the CD into iTunes & click 'Submit album info' from the Advanced menu. >>

I'll give this a try!

[The Byre]

As far as I know, CDDB works from the ISRC codes, so if this is entered into the CD text, well, into the ISRC code box to be pedantic, it should work.

It is for exactly this sort of thing that I thought the ISRC codes were created. Why leave them out?

Or am I missing something?

[TEB]

Originally Posted by The Byre

As far as I know, CDDB works from the ISRC codes, so if this is entered into the CD text, well, into the ISRC code box to be pedantic, it should work.

It is for exactly this sort of thing that I thought the ISRC codes were created. Why leave them out?

Or am I missing something?

ISRC codes and CD Text are two different things. I do CD text for customers quite often, but none have ISRC info on them. I think something like this was the original intent of ISRC, so you may have a point there.

[Ravian]

ISRC codes are for your royalties.
and archiving purpeses. (cddb)
ISRC codes are given 2 you(or your record label)
every time you song gets play'd on the radio, your ISRC code is stored.
video clips also have ISRC codes.
usely the mastering engineer playses the codes on the disc.

cd text and cddb are 2 diff. puppys

CDDB can be added when you burn your projetct (audio files) in Nero,wavelab,itunes.
cddb is a database that stores info of the project on a server. and itunes,Nero,mediaplayer,ect,ect have acces 2.


CD TEXT can also be added in those programes. but only supports cd/dvd players that can read CD TEXT.

[Rick Sutton]

Several posts have gone missing here.
One thing CDDB info isn't only stored by coding but also by song length. I've recorded from vinyl records to a CD burner and had CDDB recognize the album.

[MadSkillzMan]

Its more than just iTunes,

my gf's car stereo displays the CD title, if it was authored.

Im lost on windows, but on mac i use Toast 8, just title the disc, and when i insert it into her car, whatever was there shows up. And its not anMP3 player

How can i submit into the CDDB though?

[johnnyvince]

I was curious about this a few years ago, and did an experiment: I found that if you burn a CD of silent files, which have the same length and sequence as a recognized CD, the silent CD will show up as the recognized CD. I even messed around with track lengths (rounding out to the nearest second) and changing the gap timing, and it still came up with the same result.

Does anyone really know exactly how CDDB works, besides that?

[BeerHunter]

Originally Posted by johnnyvince

Does anyone really know exactly how CDDB works, besides that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CDDB

CDDB was designed around the task of identifying entire CDs, not merely single tracks. The identification process involves creating a "discid", a sort of "fingerprint" of a CD created by performing calculations on the track duration information stored in the table-of-contents of the CD. This discid is used with the internet database, typically either to download track names for the whole CD or to submit track names for a newly-identified CD.

Since identification of CDs is based on the length and order of the tracks, CDDB cannot identify playlists in which the order of tracks has been changed, or compilations of tracks from different CDs. CDDB also cannot distinguish between different CDs that have the same number of tracks and the same track lengths.

Critics charge that the field listings for CDDB are inadequate for the inclusion of proper identification of classical music recordings. So far, this issue has not been adequately nor uniformly addressed.

[Jim Kerr]

I have a friend who QC's Mastering at Sony. We had a discussion about "nearly invisible" coding being placed in all of today's music files/CD's etc. He say they strap on the Grado TUBE! headphones and have tried to "hear" it. They also have tried to see it in wave form. No one can find it but they know its there!!

DO do do do do do do do. ---Twilight Zone

Addendum: He might of been talking about the IRSC code.