I am going NUTS! No one seems to know this answer !! (fooling protools with spdif)

[Big_Bang]

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[PhilE]

Maybe I have the wrong end of the stick, but, you would still have a faulty main out on your mixes wouldnt you? You would need to use the FW410 as the PT outs.

I may be wrong but thats the hole that popped out of your plan at me.

[macleod]

hi, i sort of do a similar thing, i track other programs or on a hard disk recorder and then import to PT to mix, i treat the mbox as i dongle coming out its spdif out into the in on my rme ff 800, sounds fine and get me pro tools without using the pt hardware.

Why not import a mono file into you system and export it from the timeline as a stereo mix, that way you will be able to hear if one side sounds different to the other.

K

[blackcatdigi]

Originally Posted by Sir.Audio

So I thought... hmm.. With either a Motu Traveler or 896HD or RME 800 I could track in Nuendo, export the the session to Pro Tools and mix there. These units are standalone mixers too, so, I could spdif the main stereo out from the 410 to one of these. Result, better D/A conversion = better mixing with Pro Tools !

The problem with your plan is that all versions of Pro Tools REQUIRE a supported interface to launch the app.

No supported interface, no PT. Simple as that. Buy an M-Audio Transit interface for $79.

PM for my beer reward ship to info...

[DirtyMan]

i say send the 410 in for repair .. or just get a new m-audio interface .. every company has made a faulty piece its not a m-auidio exclusive problem .. i have a project mix and a ozonic no problems at all .. it just sounds like your adding to many steps to what can be a very simple thing .you could be doine nuedo and pt stuff with 1 interface no hoops no problems .. the more you complicate recording the more room you leave open for gremlins .. oh yah and you can do what you want .. with using the 410 as a dongle and other interface as conversion

[SeanG]

Am I missing something here?

If you have Nuendo and a Motu/RME, why do you want to mix in Pro Tools?

Considering how much you had to pay for Nuendo... mix in it.

I like Yuengling, or Long Trail.

[reflexon]

I have done this before. I like to track and mix in cubase, but I have a little m-audio interface for pro tools when I need it. I have the spdif out of my m-audio hooked up to the spdif in of my ff800. In total mix, I route the spdif input to my monitor outputs in the fireface. Like you already stated, the fireface works in standalone this way so it works fine. If you wanted, you could also route,say, the analog inputs 1 and 2 on the fireface to its spdif outputs and track with the m-audio in protools using the other set of converters.

[BlueRadio]

Originally Posted by SeanG

If you have Nuendo and a Motu/RME, why do you want to mix in Pro Tools?Considering how much you had to pay for Nuendo... mix in it.

I'm glad that someone finally said it. You don't HAVE to jump on the protools bandwagon. Unless you're going full-on HD system install, it just isn't worth it if it isn't worth it to YOU.

[ambiguity]

it's weird that you detest digi hardware so much without actually using it.. oh well..

reflexon pretty much answered your question. If the sole purpose of getting PT is for you to learn how to use it for the prospective job possibilities, you can do exactly what he said. If the stereo problem persists thru s/pdif, you can sell the 410, or trade it for a cheaper M-audio interface. I'd say you got nothing to lose by calling M-audio and talking to them about your problem, but that's just me.

M-powered is only $150 for academic version. It's worth it.

[blackcatdigi]

Originally Posted by Sir.Audio

Hi Blackcatdigi...


... I would send 'ya a brewski, but the 410 I keep mentioning is in fact a M-Audio Firewire 410 interface, so no troubles there!

Sorry, didn't realize that.

But if you're having troubles with it, I'd still recommend picking up the Transit.

$79 and trouble free!

[Big_Bang]

Dragan! Thanks for your post ! I somehow skipped that post yuo referred to! Wow ! It is exactly what I wanted to hear !!

Also, yes.. unless I accidentally fall in love with PT, I just need it to learn the ins and outs of it. Then, if karma and good will are on a good day, I will be doing very oriented stuff on an Icon which actually requires me to learn a completely new workflow - so I just need to operate it comfortably. For that I need to cook up a couple of projects so I stumble costantly into different needs and figure them out. But I also hate wasting my time, so I would also like them to be usefull !! That is why I am (was!!) so worried - I only currently use the m-audio for midi and pre-production for my band when I am away. Also getting into post production... I need good converters and M-Audio do not know still how to make them right. Well, taking in account price that wan't entirely fair though...


I "detest" digi hardware because they seem to have a very very clear grasp of what the recording enthousiast is doing, and bring out absurdly expensive equipment far inferior to most competitors, and leave out certain key element (depending on model) that constantly frustrate prospect buyers like myself! I know there are soooo many different walks of life around, but right here is where I formed my opinion. Because I totally agreed with these people. They had my needs and angsts and were the ones shouting loudest.. I also think they look like toys. Hey, my own 410 is inferior to practically most digi hardware, but still LOOKS (and I know this means squat!) way more thought out. And proprietary issues shout "we are so very insecure with our harware...but we do have the software so we will choke the market the best way we can... so lets make it so they - the end user - is trapped into this cult feeling that he can't escape even if he tried" - to me.

For instance... new m-box has much higher freq range, more ins... but the pre's on the older model as far faaaar better than the new ones. Why !?? Why not simply move up accordingly... or at least make a version of it for who need them, budgeting who doesn't need it... but they just call it PRO, bundle software to look attractive, forces you on pro tools and wont let you choose which platform you are best suited with! I dont like that philosophy. Or at least I havn't had a rational debate over it to change my feelings.

Blackcatdigi good call ! If it doenst spit out consistent leves, that is exactly what I will be doing also

Now... just for a teaser... I just thought out another "brilliant" idea

The headphones knob, or the main volume knob, in the M-Audio (I have to check, but I am 96% certain of this) can be assigned to control any outputs. If I were to assign it to the main Spdif Stereo out, I would solve one major hassle many many many fireface user have !!

I also know that by being so hyped, I will be seriously let down when I can't manage to set this up...

Anyway, with this post I am practically convinced on what to do. Thank you ALL for your time and posting, and by me, feel free to take this thread in whatever direction any of you might think would be a positivie one. Even if it means letting it die ... ...