My Set-Up

PaRaNoId · 9th January 2004, 09:09 AM

Please Enjoy:

overheads: MXL 603s in ORTF 1.5 ft over center of cymbals
Snare: SM-57 underneath (polarity rev)
All Toms: Sennheiser E604s
Kick: D112 (position dependent on song)
Hat: AKG c-430 ointed away from snare near edge of hat, but above breathing point

Guitar Amps: AKG c-430 (clean), Senn MD 421-II (clean and dirty) or SM-57 (dirty) always 1" offset from cone, close in

PaRaNoId · 9th January 2004, 09:13 AM

Vocals: Mostly a Rode NT1-A, but sometimes a Studio Projects B3 in either omini or fig-8 mode (depth)

Bass: Direct through a PreSonus Tube pre with a ratio of 1:4 (tube drive: Gain) OR 1" offset MXL 2001, 2" from cab at med SPL

I LOVE CRITICISM, BUT I LOVE LOVE EVEN MORE

PRS1JAZZ · 9th January 2004, 03:37 PM

ummmmm ok?

studjo · 9th January 2004, 06:52 PM

I'd take the snare from the top too - but if it works for you - go ahead

Jo

ChristopherDawn · 9th January 2004, 06:57 PM

Why no love for the Mandolin players?

PaRaNoId · 9th January 2004, 08:10 PM

I just have no mandolin players handy. I'd like to try recording it someday. I just posted my setup to spark controversy.

Its fun seeing the positive and sometimes needlessly negative posts that result.
As u can see I have a very limited budget... BTW once I get more inputs to the recorder I will be double miking the snare for sure

studjo · 10th January 2004, 12:18 AM

Why don't you put your snare mic from the top from the beginning? I can hardly use a bottom snare mic. If I need during the mix I' make a reamp with the ratteling snare on speaker trick, which works better for me than a recorded bottom mic (but that's just me

)

Jo

theom · 10th January 2004, 01:14 AM

I always use a ribbon mic pointed at the drummers ass 10 degrees off axis for a fat neve tubey warm farty snare sound. 10 degrees off axis to save the ribbon from plosives.

I will delete this. really.

how's the weather in tumpe this time of year?

Jason Poulin · 10th January 2004, 01:52 AM

pointing a mic at the drummer's ass will get you that HAIRY snare you've been looking for!!

Jason

joeq · 10th January 2004, 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jason Poulin
pointing a mic at the drummer's ass will get you that HAIRY snare you've been looking for!!

Jason

I tried it once and it sounded like ASS!

Magnus · 10th January 2004, 02:21 AM

Quote:

Please Enjoy:

overheads: MXL 603s in ORTF 1.5 ft over center of cymbals
Snare: SM-57 underneath (polarity rev)
All Toms: Sennheiser E604s
Kick: D112 (position dependent on song)
Hat: AKG c-430 ointed away from snare near edge of hat, but above breathing point

Guitar Amps: AKG c-430 (clean), Senn MD 421-II (clean and dirty) or SM-57 (dirty) always 1" offset from cone, close in

Really enjoyed that!

Jason Poulin · 10th January 2004, 02:33 AM

yes, really enjoyed that.

We would really really enjoy to hear what that set up sounded like. Samples?

Jason

kevinc · 10th January 2004, 04:58 AM

This could get ugly.

PaRaNoId · 10th January 2004, 07:40 AM

I will provide samples soon. You may be pleasantly suprised. The bottom snare works for my drummer really well because his hat is loud as death and we love that paper-ish sound coming off the bottom. Not to mention I only have 8 inputs at any one time. In most situations this would not be my first approach. I like that Idea about miking from the top and re-amping the bottom... It wil be tried once I get the necessary means. Im just laughing at some of you attitudes I must say.

theom · 10th January 2004, 05:12 PM

Tumpe?

Where is that?

PaRaNoId · 10th January 2004, 08:43 PM

its TEMPE actually (Arizona) I was just being Slutty when i put it down...

bassmac · 10th January 2004, 08:55 PM

Find another sandbox to play in.

Aud.Manipulator · 10th January 2004, 09:10 PM

Tempe, are you a CRAS kid?

Are you over dubbing drums, or recording your band as a whole?

Put a 57 on top of the snare, move your two over heads to the out side of the kick, maybe 3ft off the ground, and put that NT1 in front of the kick, maybe 6ft away. D112 in the kick. Compress the NT1, and sub-mix it in. Let the two knee highs get all of your kit energy, treat the snare and kick as you wish.

Just an alternate idea for your set-up... I'd shoot myself if I had to record everything the exact same way everyday. Mic your drums for the song you're recording... it's pretty unusual to mic the kit the same way for the whole record.

my 2 cents
-AM

PaRaNoId · 11th January 2004, 12:19 AM

Yeah Im a CRAS kid. That sounds like a cool setup. Im going to have a chance to mess around with it all much more once i move into a house that permits recording. These days I have to drive across town to our rehearsal space to do anything. Half the time, I get the mics and everything setup, and then a band starts jamming out next door. Late-nite sessions are usually the quietest but ruin my sleep schedule.. AWWW SHUCKS! sorry for bitching...

PaRaNoId · 25th January 2004, 08:17 AM

I know i will be slayed for this...maybe. I made an MP3 of some stuff i recorded (11/03) with the setup that started both this thread and my forum membership. However, on this particular recording I only used overheads, a Floor Tom Mic and a bass drum mic. The whole band was tracked live in one room and the vocalist used a Shure PG-57, with single SM57 on Guitar amp. I am rather pleased considering the circumstances. BTW: Thats a Wave Arts Track Plug on a few tracks, Lexicon Pantheon Reverb.
Try his linkus: Parent-Teacher Song

andrewh · 25th January 2004, 01:24 PM

Wow, that wasn't so bad.

I wasn't expecting much for some reason? I guess you came off as kinda "reckless"...no, that's not the right word....

never mind.

Anyway, how was the bass guitar recorded?

What kind of room was this recorded in? A practice space? For monitoring vocals, did you have a PA setup in there or were they using headphones?

What machine did you record this to?

andrewh · 25th January 2004, 02:04 PM

Breasts!!!!

PaRaNoId · 25th January 2004, 10:36 PM

I love the gifs! I'll be showing the rest of the guys...ha ha ha

tunesmith · 25th January 2004, 10:38 PM

Ok... so the drums sound pretty good, goodonya.

But someone needs to find that guitar player a ****ing metronome.

Bad time is the single most offensive element to non-pro recordings.

My .02

Tunes

PaRaNoId · 25th January 2004, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by andrewh

Anyway, how was the bass guitar recorded?

What kind of room was this recorded in? A practice space? For monitoring vocals, did you have a PA setup in there or were they using headphones?

What machine did you record this to?

Bass was recorded w/ an MXL 2001 about 5" off the cone (4*10 cab). The room is basically a medium-sized practice room. The vocals were coming out of a PA so the band could hear, and I used an Aux send to get him to the recorder. This track was just a random improvisation at band practice. The machine was a Fostex VF-160 digital multitrack. Mixed it on Sonar 3.

andrewh · 26th January 2004, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by PaRaNoId
The machine was a Fostex VF-160 digital multitrack.

Interesting. I've had the VF-16 for about 4 years now. I am absolutely in love with it.

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
What next in the set up?	fivedoor	Low End Theory	1	19th June 2006 09:25 PM
Is this set-up possible?	spodniczka	So much gear, so little time!	0	27th January 2006 10:17 PM
sub set-up?	Drumsound	So much gear, so little time!	4	26th January 2006 06:51 PM
trying to get a set up together.....	orpheus	So much gear, so little time!	14	5th October 2004 02:26 PM
Please Set Me Up	luther	So much gear, so little time!	3	5th January 2004 12:50 AM

9th January 2004, 09:09 AM	#1
PaRaNoId Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 480	My Set-Up Please Enjoy: overheads: MXL 603s in ORTF 1.5 ft over center of cymbals Snare: SM-57 underneath (polarity rev) All Toms: Sennheiser E604s Kick: D112 (position dependent on song) Hat: AKG c-430 ointed away from snare near edge of hat, but above breathing point Guitar Amps: AKG c-430 (clean), Senn MD 421-II (clean and dirty) or SM-57 (dirty) always 1" offset from cone, close in

9th January 2004, 09:13 AM	#2
PaRaNoId Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 480	oops there is more! Vocals: Mostly a Rode NT1-A, but sometimes a Studio Projects B3 in either omini or fig-8 mode (depth) Bass: Direct through a PreSonus Tube pre with a ratio of 1:4 (tube drive: Gain) OR 1" offset MXL 2001, 2" from cab at med SPL I LOVE CRITICISM, BUT I LOVE LOVE EVEN MORE

9th January 2004, 03:37 PM	#3
PRS1JAZZ Lives for gear Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Worcester, MA Posts: 902	ummmmm ok? __________________ Earthworks Slut, and Vendor ! And I put a Chaffing 5 post eq on the Choadometer. I loosened the meat wallet meter 2 db's on the jizload compressor and tipped the blond coiffer gig cut to an even feeder knob...

9th January 2004, 08:10 PM	#6
PaRaNoId Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 480	Lort I just have no mandolin players handy. I'd like to try recording it someday. I just posted my setup to spark controversy. Its fun seeing the positive and sometimes needlessly negative posts that result. As u can see I have a very limited budget... BTW once I get more inputs to the recorder I will be double miking the snare for sure

9th January 2004, 06:52 PM	#4
studjo Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 1,900	I'd take the snare from the top too - but if it works for you - go ahead Jo

9th January 2004, 06:57 PM	#5
ChristopherDawn Gear nut Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 76	Why no love for the Mandolin players?

10th January 2004, 12:18 AM	#7
studjo Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Switzerland Posts: 1,900	Why don't you put your snare mic from the top from the beginning? I can hardly use a bottom snare mic. If I need during the mix I' make a reamp with the ratteling snare on speaker trick, which works better for me than a recorded bottom mic (but that's just me ) Jo

10th January 2004, 01:14 AM	#8
theom Gear addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 440	snare I always use a ribbon mic pointed at the drummers ass 10 degrees off axis for a fat neve tubey warm farty snare sound. 10 degrees off axis to save the ribbon from plosives. I will delete this. really. how's the weather in tumpe this time of year?

10th January 2004, 01:52 AM	#9
Jason Poulin Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sudbury, On. Canada Posts: 1,686	pointing a mic at the drummer's ass will get you that HAIRY snare you've been looking for!! Jason __________________ most important gear I own are my ears! visit my band www.apparatusmusic.com www.myspace.com/apparatusnumetal

10th January 2004, 02:33 AM	#12
Jason Poulin Lives for gear Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sudbury, On. Canada Posts: 1,686	yes, really enjoyed that. We would really really enjoy to hear what that set up sounded like. Samples? Jason __________________ most important gear I own are my ears! visit my band www.apparatusmusic.com www.myspace.com/apparatusnumetal

10th January 2004, 04:58 AM	#13
kevinc Lives for gear Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Beantown Posts: 2,464	This could get ugly.

10th January 2004, 07:40 AM	#14
PaRaNoId Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 480	KILL the newbie!!!! I will provide samples soon. You may be pleasantly suprised. The bottom snare works for my drummer really well because his hat is loud as death and we love that paper-ish sound coming off the bottom. Not to mention I only have 8 inputs at any one time. In most situations this would not be my first approach. I like that Idea about miking from the top and re-amping the bottom... It wil be tried once I get the necessary means. Im just laughing at some of you attitudes I must say.

10th January 2004, 05:12 PM	#15
theom Gear addict Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 440	? Tumpe? Where is that?

10th January 2004, 08:43 PM	#16
PaRaNoId Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 480	its TEMPE actually (Arizona) I was just being Slutty when i put it down...

10th January 2004, 08:55 PM	#17
bassmac Lives for gear Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 685	Find another sandbox to play in.

10th January 2004, 09:10 PM	#18
Aud.Manipulator Gear interested Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12	Tempe, are you a CRAS kid? Are you over dubbing drums, or recording your band as a whole? Put a 57 on top of the snare, move your two over heads to the out side of the kick, maybe 3ft off the ground, and put that NT1 in front of the kick, maybe 6ft away. D112 in the kick. Compress the NT1, and sub-mix it in. Let the two knee highs get all of your kit energy, treat the snare and kick as you wish. Just an alternate idea for your set-up... I'd shoot myself if I had to record everything the exact same way everyday. Mic your drums for the song you're recording... it's pretty unusual to mic the kit the same way for the whole record. my 2 cents -AM __________________ "What, are you new? Those are supposed to touch!"

11th January 2004, 12:19 AM	#19
PaRaNoId Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 480	Yeah Im a CRAS kid. That sounds like a cool setup. Im going to have a chance to mess around with it all much more once i move into a house that permits recording. These days I have to drive across town to our rehearsal space to do anything. Half the time, I get the mics and everything setup, and then a band starts jamming out next door. Late-nite sessions are usually the quietest but ruin my sleep schedule.. AWWW SHUCKS! sorry for bitching...

25th January 2004, 08:17 AM	#20
PaRaNoId Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 480	sample I know i will be slayed for this...maybe. I made an MP3 of some stuff i recorded (11/03) with the setup that started both this thread and my forum membership. However, on this particular recording I only used overheads, a Floor Tom Mic and a bass drum mic. The whole band was tracked live in one room and the vocalist used a Shure PG-57, with single SM57 on Guitar amp. I am rather pleased considering the circumstances. BTW: Thats a Wave Arts Track Plug on a few tracks, Lexicon Pantheon Reverb. Try his linkus: Parent-Teacher Song

25th January 2004, 01:24 PM	#21
andrewh Gear interested Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 28	Wow, that wasn't so bad. I wasn't expecting much for some reason? I guess you came off as kinda "reckless"...no, that's not the right word.... never mind. Anyway, how was the bass guitar recorded? What kind of room was this recorded in? A practice space? For monitoring vocals, did you have a PA setup in there or were they using headphones? What machine did you record this to?

25th January 2004, 02:04 PM	#22
andrewh Gear interested Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 28	breasts!!! Breasts!!!!

25th January 2004, 10:36 PM	#23
PaRaNoId Gear addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 480	awesome I love the gifs! I'll be showing the rest of the guys...ha ha ha

25th January 2004, 10:38 PM	#24
tunesmith Lives for gear Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Just northeast of LaLa land Posts: 709	Ok... so the drums sound pretty good, goodonya. But someone needs to find that guitar player a ****ing metronome. Bad time is the single most offensive element to non-pro recordings. My .02 Tunes

Thread Tools	Search this Thread
Show Printable Version Email this Page	Search this Thread: Advanced Search
Display Modes	Rate This Thread
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode	Rate This Thread: