Digi 002 rack 5-8 inputs

[deathman]

Hey!
Can i plug the mic output from a preamp into the line input into a digi 002 with a canon/jack cable? Do i have to put the line input then to +4dBu?

Will the result be the same as pluging it into the mic input?

Thanx guys!

[C/G]

Originally Posted by deathman

Hey!
Can i plug the mic output from a preamp into the line input into a digi 002 with a canon/jack cable? Do i have to put the line input then to +4dBu?

Will the result be the same as pluging it into the mic input?

Thanx guys!

Yes and Yes and no.

The result will be better than using channels 1-4 as you are not hitting the extra gain stage in the 002r pre amps. Use your outboard pres with lines 5-8 on +4dbu. I would love to find a way to completely inactivate the pres on channels 1-4 and use them as line ins only like channels 5-8. I have a lot of outboard pres and never use the ones in the 002.

[danasti]

I wish there was a totally separate line input on 1-4 that's exactly the same as the quality of 5-8 too.

You can set 1-4 to line/di and run your external mic preamp's line output at line level to 1-4 but it's a better signal quality on 5-8.

Originally Posted by Colin Gaucher

Yes and Yes and no.

The result will be better than using channels 1-4 as you are not hitting the extra gain stage in the 002r pre amps. Use your outboard pres with lines 5-8 on +4dbu. I would love to find a way to completely inactivate the pres on channels 1-4 and use them as line ins only like channels 5-8. I have a lot of outboard pres and never use the ones in the 002.

[AlexLakis]

Originally Posted by Colin Gaucher

I would love to find a way to completely inactivate the pres on channels 1-4 and use them as line ins only like channels 5-8.

Doesn't the Black Lion mod do something like this? If not, I'm sure they could if you asked them!

[C/G]

Originally Posted by AlexLakis

Doesn't the Black Lion mod do something like this? If not, I'm sure they could if you asked them!

I did ask them and I think they thought I was nuts. You would figure it would be a simple operation no? I don't think you could pay me to use the pres on the 002r. I usually rent an Apogee Rosetta 800 when tracking but having 4 extra inputs without that extra gain stage would be great.

[deathman]

So...

ok... nice... nice to know... got to buy some new pre's ASAP! ...

What preamps do u use through the 5-8?

thanx for the answer, Colin!

[C/G]

It varies, from Chandler, UA, Shadow Hills, Mercury ect. The pres on channels 1-4 usually get utility duty like a hihat mic, under snare mic or scratch tracks that will end up being redone. I just don't want to sell my Kidneys to buy a used HD system right now so I use the 002r with an external converter/clock. I will be buying a 16 channel A/D converter soon so the inputs on the 002r won't even be used after that. I guess I have to rob a 7-11 soon.

[deathman]

What word cock are you using and where did you plug it in on the 002r?

how can you bypass the converters on the 002 ? and where will you plug in the 16ch converter...digi has onyl one adat... ?

[danasti]

Originally Posted by deathman

how can you bypass the converters on the 002 ? and where will you plug in the 16ch converter...digi has onyl one adat... ?

You can use the lightpipe/adat connections with any converter, up to 8 channels in/out. I used an Apogee ad8000se for a long time. I'm borrowing a Lynx Aurora 8 right now and I'm really impressed with it. If I buy the Aurora I'd want the 16 channel version. You can use a 16 channel becuase there is a lightpipe connection on the Aurora's optional adat card for inputs 1-8 / inputs 9-16 - outputs 1-8 / outputs 9-16. For the 002 you just connect the ins/outs 1-8 (optical in/out).

[C/G]

Originally Posted by danasti

You can use the lightpipe/adat connections with any converter, up to 8 channels in/out. I used an Apogee ad8000se for a long time. I'm borrowing a Lynx Aurora 8 right now and I'm really impressed with it. If I buy the Aurora I'd want the 16 channel version. You can use a 16 channel becuase there is a lightpipe connection on the Aurora's optional adat card for inputs 1-8 / inputs 9-16 - outputs 1-8 / outputs 9-16. For the 002 you just connect the ins/outs 1-8 (optical in/out).

What danasti said. I personally use a UA 2192 as the master clock source, connected via SPDIF.

[deathman]

Thanx guys!

You helped me a lot!

[Jamz]

Matt at BLA did the complete analog/converter/clock mod on my 002 back in June of 06. He even replaced the volume pots as well. I understand BLA no longer offers the converter upgrade.
http://www.blacklionaudio.com/digi002_mod.html
http://www.blacklionaudio.com/002_faq.html

My 002 is used primarily for remote work. Along with the BLA mod I 'll bring a Crane Song Flamingo and an AEA TRP (for the R88) for line inputs 5-8. Transformer/adapters are used for these inputs. If needed I use an ADAT Bridge for additional channels via lightpipe.
Here is the link of March 2006 that brought my attention to the BLA mod.
black lion audio mod for DIGI 002

[(DC)]

A little aside from the topic. Don't get it twisted, with a little bit of technique you can get great sounds out of the 002. Obviously it would be easier to use a Pacifica, but with some talent you can mold the 002 pres into sounding great. Problem is, it's just a bitch to learn .

If you don't want to use the extra gain stage, just use 5-8 like everyone is telling you. If you're using a particular mic that needs a lot of gain, an extra gain stage will not make your recording sound like crap. In fact, the right amount of balance can add some good character to your sound.