New Waves Convolution Reverb

[tobymusic]

There is a new Waves plug-in coming.
Convolution Reverb called IR-1 should be out pretty soon.

Has anybody seen or heard that thing? How much will it cost?

[joris de man]

Not heard of it but definitely excited!
I suppose it will be introduced on the Winternamm?
Knowing Waves it will probably be high quality (with a price to match:P)
However, looking at Altiverb, half of the coolness of such a plugin is really the impulse responses. I hope they include some good ones with Ir-1.
If the Waves IR one includes a nice EQ filter for the impulse responses themselves (as opposed to filtering the output) I'd be totally game.
Altiverb is fantastic, but it can get boomy quite easily because of the low frequency response.

Cheers,

Joe

[nkf]

Originally posted by joris de man

If the Waves IR one includes a nice EQ filter for the impulse responses themselves (as opposed to filtering the output) I'd be totally game.

Even better than that ... WAVES promises 'classic controls of the key reverb parameters'. EQ is also included.
It's not clear if you can use your selfmade impulse responses with it.
The UK magazine Resolution (Jan/Feb 2004) has an WAVES ad for IR-1 on page 23.

[Renie]

Got a link to that mag nkf? I've never seen it.

Thanks

[nkf]

Originally posted by Renie
Got a link to that mag nkf? I've never seen it.

www.resolutionmag.com

AFAIK Digidesign is so kind to pay the subscription for me, at least thru Digidesign I was made aware of them a few years ago and they send me the mag for free like probably to other people in the music and postpro industry too.

[Renie]

Thanks Nirto.

[jazzius II]

Scanned!

[Renie]

any clues on cost yet?

Wow!

Logic users have had their own 'full paramiter control' style sampling reverb for a while now..... It's great news that Pro Toolers / non Logic folks will get one too!

Great!

[fifthcircle]

Mmm... looks cool. Will it be available for non-pro tools platforms? (ie DX or VST) Heck, I'd love to have those Zipper Hall responses alone (in the picture-Zipper Hall is the best recital hall in Los Angeles).

--Ben

[GearGuy]

Waves policy has always been to support all platforms, so I expect them to have this for all formats. Might not be initial release though...

[fifthcircle]

Surround tools are TDM and HDTDM only... Most of their plugins are cross-platform, but not all...

-Ben

[morpheus]

Originally posted by Renie
any clues on cost yet?

AudioMIDI shows list prices of $900 Native, $1200 TDM.

[apogah]

Does anybody know if this plugin will run as a true TDM (running off of protools cards only)? or as an HTDM sucking up cpu?????

[stealthbalance]

i sure hope its better than the 5.1 360 package they put out a while back. i was truly embarasseed for them - what a peice of work that was.
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[BrianT]

My question is, are people really using that much verb these days? I know I don't. A very little reverb goes a looooong way for me in 2004.


Regards,
Brian T

[morpheus]

For $1200 it had better cook dinner and give back massages...

[Rail Jon Rogut]

Originally posted by morpheus
AudioMIDI shows list prices of $900 Native, $1200 TDM.

Mac HTDM & RTAS, Windows RTAS only.. we discussed on the DUC how difficult it would be to write a convolution plug-in using DSP.

Rail

[apogah]

I think Revibe is in my future if it is better than Altiverb. Since I already own Altiverb, I can't justify getting the IR-1 which is double the price..... unless it ran off of tdm chips. Sure a G5 could solve cpu drainage, however, I am not jumping ship until next year when things get stable. Right now the Altiverb is hogging all the cpu (dual 1.25 g4) from my soft synths and exs24 sampler.
I'm sure there are alot of waves rverb and reverb one loyalists out there, but to me they sound like shit. All I am asking for is a true hardware quality reverb running off of tdm chips.

I'll bring back feedback on Revibe, Eventide's Reverb and Ir-1 report after NAMM.

[morpheus]

Originally posted by Rail Jon Rogut
RTAS only.. we discussed on the DUC how difficult it would be to write a convolution plug-in using DSP.

Actually, the WAVES IR-1 is TDM - it's the first TDM convolution reverb.

[apogah]

For reals??!!! Wow, I guess I have ALOT to look forward to at NAMM. Eventide vs Revibe vs IR-1. I only have enough funds for one reverb, wow.. a good year for plugin reverbs.

[Heterodox]

You really have to wonder how long it will be until the powercore or uad-1 gets convolution reverb...

For that matter, isn't it about time for an upgraded powercore? That thing is like 3 years old?

[fifthcircle]

The firewire one is an upgrade to the PCI. Has more DSP... Been out for a number of months now.

--Ben

[jbuntz]

Convolution is such a DPS hog, I would be suprised if you could get more than one instance on a UAD-1

[Heterodox]

Yeah I'm aware of the firewire version...but its just that, a version.
Same tech really...and I'm pretty sure its been out almost (if not) a year now.

Where's the NEW tech? Where's the firewire equivalent of an HD Accel card?

I really don't see why they don't just build ultra stripped P4/Athlon comps into a firewire box, taking advantage of a system like VST-link. That's basically all the UAD-1 is I guess (a single really fast processor...like a spare computer for DSP). Still, with all the new processor tech out, I'm waiting for something impressive to surface on the external DSP side =\

[jazzius II]

Downloading the demo.......i wonder wonder....

[Rail Jon Rogut]

Originally posted by morpheus
Actually, the WAVES IR-1 is TDM - it's the first TDM convolution reverb.

No.. as I posted before.. HTDM and RTAS on the Mac.. RTAS only on Windows.

Rail

[DaveJes1979]

According to Waves press release:

"A 14-day free demo of the IR-1 is available from authorized Waves dealers or at www.waves.com. The IR-1 ships in January 2004 and is supported on Mac and PC programs via RTAS, HTDM (Mac), AudioSuite, VST, DirectX (Win), MAS (Mac), and Audio Units (Mac). The Native version has an MSRP of $800 and the HTDM version carries an MSRP of $1200."

[wags3d]

Apple and Emagic are offering an upgrade to Logic 6 Pro for $200 USD from LAP 5 or 6 which includes their Space Designer IR Verb as well as all of their softsynth plugs! Between that and the release of the Fairchild plug for UAD-1 it's like freekin' high end Christmas on a budget! I was just going to get the Altiverb or the Space designer and pay $500 for one Plug-in. I think the plug-in price war between the DAW audio companies is going to really benefit the Gearslutz in a big way.


Cheers,
-Wags

[morpheus]

Originally posted by wags3d
I think the plug-in price war between the DAW audio companies is going to really benefit the Gearslutz in a big way.

You couldn't be more wrong. 90% of the really great plug-ins are made by small companies like Waves, Bomb Factory etc. It's rare that the big companies like Apple, MOTU or Digidesign come up with really great plug-ins.

All a price war will do is drive the small plug-in developers out of the market. Then you will only be able to buy plug-ins from your DAW vendor, and you can bet they will only be compatible with their latest and greatest DAW.

We have already seen the beginnings of this with Digidesign buying Bomb Factory and immediately dropping Bomb Factory plug-in support for non-Pro Tools platforms.

So yes, we might get cheap plug-ins for a year or two courtesy of Apple. But Logic users may soon find the only company selling Logic plugins is Apple themselves because other companies can't compete with Apple, who uses their hardware sales to subsidize the software. The only other plug-in companies left will be the small shareware type developers.

You might not remember, but this has happened before with both Apple and Microsoft. Microsoft drove all the other word processor companies out of business, and yet today a copy of Word is as expensive as ever. In the long term, this type of price war actually reduces a customers choice.